Throbbing Grados
Dec 12, 2009 at 6:12 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 32

Bilavideo

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I've been playing with home-made mods to a cheap pair of SR-60s I bought off E-Bay. I took off the backs (to leave them as open as open gets), replaced the flats with modified G-cush salad bowls (cut back a few millimeters to narrow the distance between ear and driver) and toyed with dolloping the back of the magnet.

But I wasn't prepared for the difference it would make by simply puncturing the fabric covering the holes in the back. That fabric is there to keep the dust out, and it should be sonically transparent, but aerating those holes made a difference in bass that is too big to be chalked up to the placebo effect.
 
Dec 12, 2009 at 6:23 AM Post #2 of 32
I was all prepared for a PR0N posting by reading the title! Huge disappointment!

Anyhow, to the matter at hand. I'm not sure the Plastic resonates as much as you think it does. Most plastic if tapped by the finger is pretty dull sounding.
 
Dec 12, 2009 at 6:31 AM Post #3 of 32
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I was all prepared for a PR0N posting by reading the title! Huge disappointment!

Anyhow, to the matter at hand. I'm not sure the Plastic resonates as much as you think it does. Most plastic if tapped by the finger is pretty dull sounding.



It's a simple tweak, and on paper one that is admittedly unimpressive, but what you scoff at scoffs back at you as I marvel at the difference this stupid little tweak made to the presentation. If I'm lying I'm dying - and I ain't dead yet.
 
Dec 12, 2009 at 6:38 AM Post #4 of 32
It's not only for dust. It's to control the diaphragm movement. Air must travel through this material, and now that you've removed all restraint, it might very well increase bass and decrease clarity/accuracy. Much like opening a speaker cabinet.

Though this is purely my hypothesis. I could be wrong.
 
Dec 12, 2009 at 6:48 AM Post #5 of 32
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It's a simple tweak, and on paper one that is admittedly unimpressive, but what you scoff at scoffs back at you as I marvel at the difference this stupid little tweak made to the presentation. If I'm lying I'm dying - and I ain't dead yet.


Well, since you re-wrote your entire first post, nothing makes sense anymore now does it?
 
Dec 12, 2009 at 6:53 AM Post #6 of 32
It could make the headphones more vulnerable to external conditions like wind, especially with the backs off completely. The sudden influx of all this additional bass may also not be desirable to everyone. I'll have to keep listening. They don't sound muddy, just more dynamic. Right now, I'm listening to The Who's Going Mobile and it's still quite crisp but the bass presence is definitely more prominent. I don't notice a loss in midrange or HF clarity/detail, though there was a Cheap Trick track that didn't sound as good but I think it's the recording. Some recordings sound overproduced and this little tweak seems to bring that out a little more. My 128k recording of Elton John singing I'm Still Standing (make your judgments if you must) doesn't sound as good as my 256k recording of Styx's Great White Hope - but even the latter recording sounds a little overproduced compared to some of the acoustic stuff. Still, it's a lot cleaner than that ELO stuff from the 70s, where Jeff Lynne was layering track after track with fills and frills.
 
Dec 12, 2009 at 6:58 AM Post #7 of 32
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Well, since you re-wrote your entire first post, nothing makes sense anymore now does it?


I took out the supplementary material about the possibility of damping all that plastic in the front of the driver. I didn't do that to undermine your criticism (swing away, Merrill); I did it because if someone as intelligent as you could get caught on something that extraneous to my original point, it was obviously too much of a distraction.

I'll leave the talk of damping the plastic for a different discussion, perhaps after I've actually done it. I didn't really want this thread to become focused on speculation over the effect of something I haven't even tried yet. I wanted to talk about the effects of a tweak I'd just run with.
 
Dec 12, 2009 at 7:03 AM Post #8 of 32
OK, You say fabric in the BACK? What fabric is in the back? I don't have those cans. But I have a bunch of other Grados and don't remember Fabric in the back? Don't suppose you have a pic? Any back pressure on the drivers changes the sound wildly so I'm interested in what you are referring to here.
 
Dec 12, 2009 at 7:14 AM Post #9 of 32
On the back of the driver (between the driver and the rear grill), there's a black fabric encircling the back of the magnet. If you hold the phones up to a light source, you can see a circle of little white holes. I did with these what all those seniors in Florida couldn't do with the hanging chads: I popped the fabric to let the hole be a hole. I had to be careful not to keep going (right through to the diaphragm). Long term, I'll probably have dust issues - and I wasn't ready to do this with my RS-1 or my GS-1000 - but with a $40 pair of used SR-60s, it was worth a try. And wow. It actually had an effect, one worth writing about.

I know all my Grados, including these SR-60s, are capable of outstanding bass. They leak it, which is why you have to have a good headphone amp to really hear what even the SR-60 is capable of. The Grados are easy to run without any amp, but a good amp will bring the bass to throbbing levels (giving you the best of both worlds without the compromises of closed cans which sacrifice clarity for volume). But popping these little holes (covered by that black fabric behind the driver) really kicked the bass up - and without the sonic mud of a closed back or the taping of cushions. To me, it's an exciting discovery because I've yet to be satisfied with the bass recovery of a portable amp yet I do a lot of listening on the run.
 
Dec 12, 2009 at 7:29 AM Post #10 of 32
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Dec 12, 2009 at 7:43 AM Post #12 of 32
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Thanx! Real FrankenPhones ya got there!


It's alive!

Sound first, fashion later.
 
Dec 12, 2009 at 9:47 PM Post #13 of 32
UPDATE 12/12 - 4:35 P.M.

After further tweaks of the "open holes" mod, I decided to get rid of the filters altogether. This Grado is now as open as possible, without removing the front plastic grill - in whole or part. This, of course, means that the headphones are more vulnerable to dust and moisture. On the other hand, dealing with both is a bit easier, too. If a hair lands on the diaphragm, blowing off the hair is as easy as blowing a bubble. I can also Saran Wrap the phones for use in wet environments but this extension of the mod rises and falls with the sound.

This could all be the placebo effect, so I won't attempt to describe how much better these cans now sound. What I will say is that I don't hear any loss from it. In fact, these cans are about as transparent as I've ever heard them (no pun intended). Depending on the track, the response ranges from disappointingly transparent (revealing the defects in my music) to breathtaking. On Act Naturally from the Beatles' Help, the instrumentation and recording is joltingly live. The recording, itself, is very clean (and I imported it in Apple Lossless), marred only by the early method of recording whole instruments into separate channels (so I got guitars exclusively in my left ear). On Fleetwood Mac's Never Going Back Again, the clarity of the recording - even EQ'd to bass boost - is stunning.

The Clash's London Calling is less sparkling, in bass boost, but rocks my ears with no punches pulled. The Foo Fighters' The Pretender joins my Weezer albums as too compressed and too grungy to deliver quite the same level of clarity. They're not muddy, just sonically "busy." Pat Benatar's Heartbreaker sounds bouncy, mean and clean. It could use a little more spaciousness (We're still in front row) but it now pounds like a jealous husband on a neighbor's door at three a.m. If this mod won't produce sounds that aren't there, it still offers a revelation of what is. Alanis Morissette's Uninvited rumbled with that ominous bass presence reserved for the soundtrack of the Final Judgment, so much so that I had to EQ the bass to safer levels. It also revealed the defects still present in the SR-60's plastic enclosure much the same way distorted car-stereo bass reveals the crappy enclosures housing expensive subwoofers. The title track to Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band still sounds like a live recording, with concert-hall acoustics, but its bass punch has never been more engaging. You can really enjoy the syncopation between the drum work and alternating tracks of guitar work (lead riffs and rhythm work). Chris Brown's Kiss Kiss features the best of both worlds: a club-thumping bass beat and ultra-clean vocals. Whatever else one might think of Chris Brown (like where best to hide his body after a gratifying beat-down), Kiss Kiss is one of those tracks showing the best of both worlds: great clarity and great, visceral, bass.

I'll post pics.
 
Dec 12, 2009 at 10:12 PM Post #14 of 32
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I can also Saran Wrap the phones for use in wet environments


Where do you use these fones that requires a plastic raincoat?

Nice pic, maybe you could ask Santa for a new camera to go with your awesome GS1000s.
 

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