Thoughts on a bunch of DACs (and why delta-sigma kinda sucks, just to get you to think about stuff)
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Finally found a technical video that shows Sigma Delta has issues with tracking fast changing(very steep sloping) signals: It is called Slope Overload Distortion. Also Sigma Delta has Granular Noise distortion.

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Analog_and_Digital_Conversion/Delta_Modulation




Watch From 28m:50seconds onwards:



 
Interesting to note, but how applicable are granular noise and slope overload issues for multi-bit DS-modulators, which is basically everything out there these days.
 
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  Hey guys, could use some help.
 
I need a DAC preferably under 200$ (unless there is one near 300$ that is A LOT better).
 
My gear: Audeze LCD-2 Rev 2
Gustard H10
Lossless files
Want a USB connection to computer
 
My goal is a setup with bass extension, slam, and control.
 
Thanks.
 
Have the same question. Can you guys please suggest some warm sounding DACs in that price range (closer to $300). I tried the iDSD micro but still doesn't feel as "blended" enough as I imagined it would be.
 
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Have the same question. Can you guys please suggest some warm sounding DACs in that price range (closer to $300). I tried the iDSD micro but still doesn't feel as "blended" enough as I imagined it would be.
Your best move would be to save coloration for the amplification stage. You want your source to be neutral.

I haven't heard it but the new LH GOv2 is supposed to be very good (and relatively neutral). If you can wait and your budget is 500+ then rumor has it that might be a good idea.
 
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Yes the above mentioned DAC has gotten some very good reviews (holding out to say more until I try it).
 
That's a good point about wanting the DAC to be neutral - this way it can be like a chameleon - presenting everything the way it's supposed to be, so you can let the rest of your source chain do the coloring: the amp and its' tubes or op-amps, any software or hardware EQ'ing and of course the way the headphones present the sound signature. Otherwise a DAC with a character of it's own would plague the rest of your chain by presenting everything falsely.
 
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Have the same question. Can you guys please suggest some warm sounding DACs in that price range (closer to $300). I tried the iDSD micro but still doesn't feel as "blended" enough as I imagined it would be.
 
Well, I think that it's a valid question; hasn't this whole thread been about the varying sound signatures of dacs? Some say that even the mighty Yggdrasil can sound a bit forward (less warm), when compared to some of it's competition!
 
But of course, there's a lot more to getting the sound that you want than just choosing the right dac.
 
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Gosh, why does this thread have 400+ pages of comments? Studio ADCs and DACs use D-S modulation and most relatively modern recordings went through numerous analog-digital / digital-analog conversions which means if there do exist D-S imperfections they are already on the recording and nothing can be done with it. Moreover I am willing to bet money that nobody will be able to tell the audible difference if Benchmark DAC1/ADC1 (D-S of course) combo is thrown in the signal chain that ends with say Schiit Yggdrasil.
 
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of course you would have cripple the cognoscenti's golden ears here with level matching, blinding protocol...
 
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Gosh, why does this thread have 400+ pages of comments? Studio ADCs and DACs use D-S modulation and most relatively modern recordings went through numerous analog-digital / digital-analog conversions which means if there do exist D-S imperfections they are already on the recording and nothing can be done with it. Moreover I am willing to bet money that nobody will be able to tell the audible difference if Benchmark DAC1/ADC1 (D-S of course) combo is thrown in the signal chain that ends with say Schiit Yggdrasil.

Ah.....so this is the reason 90% of the recordings made since 2000 or so, sound so bad......
 
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^ Yup, it's totally the DACs that make recordings sound bad. It's for sure not the Loudness War at all, no way Jose. That would be silly.
 
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  Gosh, why does this thread have 400+ pages of comments? Studio ADCs and DACs use D-S modulation and most relatively modern recordings went through numerous analog-digital / digital-analog conversions which means if there do exist D-S imperfections they are already on the recording and nothing can be done with it. Moreover I am willing to bet money that nobody will be able to tell the audible difference if Benchmark DAC1/ADC1 (D-S of course) combo is thrown in the signal chain that ends with say Schiit Yggdrasil.

how much money are you willing to bet ? Set the test, I'll take it.
 
Hint, I have a Dac1 hdr and a theta dspro genV
 
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how much money are you willing to bet ? Set the test, I'll take it.
 
Hint, I have a Dac1 hdr and a theta dspro genV

Hint: You might want to add a decent voltmeter to that combo before actually agreeing to do a test :)
 
My point is that ADC1/DAC1 will not add any coloration to the sound. And if you prefer the coloration your theta does, you will still have it regardless of analog-digital-analog conversion in your chain.
 
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^ Yup, it's totally the DACs that make recordings sound bad. It's for sure not the Loudness War at all, no way Jose. That would be silly.

Do you think it could be a combination of both MiceB? Probably, and the "applefication" of creating musical pablum for the "masses".
 
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Hint: You might want to add a decent voltmeter to that combo before actually agreeing to do a test :)
 
My point is that ADC1/DAC1 will not add any coloration to the sound. And if you prefer the coloration your theta does, you will still have it regardless of analog-digital-analog conversion in your chain.

Details and ambiance cues are not a coloration, but regardless, if you consider there's a coloration, how would it be possible to not hear a difference ?
 
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