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Thoughts on a bunch of DACs (and why delta-sigma kinda sucks, just to get you to think about stuff)

Discussion in 'Dedicated Source Components' started by purrin, Dec 5, 2013.
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  1. immersifi
    Thanks. That's really all that I wanted to know (that this thread is entirely subjective and down to opinion). Again, I am not denigrating peoples' opinions, I was merely looking for clarification as to the assertions that were made.
     
    Many Thanks,
     
    Mark (immersifi)
     
  2. Articnoise

     

    That was a good one “Mad Science”! [​IMG]

     
  3. Liu Junyuan

    Hehe you are correct, totally. To be honest, I have defended and recommended it a lot, but since I lack the experience of other higher end DACs, I sort of rely on comparisons to make sense of how DACs stand up. But it is true that I do enjoy my Gungnir and that is all that matters.
     
  4. jexby
     
    as a used Gungnir USB gen2 fell in my lap last week, can't be more happy with it at the moment.  Wyrd in the chain also.
    Gung replaced a Concero HD at home, and will eventually have a shoot out with Pulse X Infinity one day this summer.
     
    won't claim to own Purrin's experience or ears, and have only heard Yggy for 10min at RMAF 2014-
    can't afford Yggy nor want it's elephant size in a small computer / listening room.
     
    what Gungnir immediately brought to my ears was "realism".   an audiophile term? nah.   but with familiar songs, if the DAC places me in the room/space, with soundstage, presence and musicality- WHAM, I'm sold.
    is Gungnir perhaps the most detailed, or most accurate?  maybe not according to what I've read here.  
    yet don't feel Gungnir is a slug in those departments either. 
     
    was not hesitant to buy a used Gungnir as I believe Mike/Jason/Schiit will provide update boards for DAC and Analog sections at some random day in the future.
    pricing, features and value of such potential upgrades all TBD.
     
    and, Lyr 2 doesn't look completely silly sitting on top of Gungnir either. or does it?
     
  5. mikek200
    HHMMMM,just wondering
     
    What would the shipping charge be like,shipping a Theta to NY,from Europe??
     
  6. wahsmoh

    I'd estimate anywhere from $50-80. I wouldn't know how much shipping costs, I bought mine from a pawn shop dealer who hadn't the slightest clue of how to upsell the product. So the Theta I bought flew under the radar basically. I got it with free shipping from Florida to California. That is a major bargain, they also packaged it with a TON of bubble wrap and packing peanuts and I can assure you it was safe and unscathed (the box was battered, clueless USPS folks)
     
    ..the price $276. Greatest $276 I have ever spent on anything
     
    sad to say I think we have all payed more to fix our cars at one time or another
     
  7. kugino Contributor
    I don't see how any of the "tests" done on these DACs can be anything but subjective and, therefore, comments about good or bad are purely in the eye of the beholder. too many people here are hanging on every little breath of this person or that person. sure, it's nice to hear about perceived differences between DACs that one might not have heard, but really, it's ok to like what you like, even if it might not be the "popular" choice.
     
  8. mikek200
    Kugino,you have to admit,that some of us newbie vintage dac people, rely on what guys like Purrin has to say,& now,today..Conquerator2 ..
    IMHO,excellent info,and I study it hard,and probably 90 % of the time,make my purchases,what they say,and others ,who have the dacs,I am looking to buy..
    No,they don't have my ears,and they don't listen to my type of music,but still they give out honest,good info
    Purrin's info on p.1 of this thread is my Bible..& read it constantly.
     
    YMMV..
     
  9. Stillhart
    As in all aspects of this hobby, the best way to tell is to listen for yourself.  
     
    Unfortunately, once you start getting into very expensive or very rare components, that becomes difficult.  It's for those reasons that impressions like Purrin's or Conq's are useful.  
     
    I fully plan on doing a write-up of the Adcom vs the Theta and possibly vs the DAC-19 and NFB-28.  Hopefully it will help some folks down the line.  
     
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  10. mikek200
    And he is supplying us all,with free POPCORN!!!
    Super!!
     
  11. Argo Duck
    I agree with what you wrote but 'entirely subjective' might be a little strong. I (cautiously) think there may be some validity and statistical power in opinions found in this thread and in these forums generally. That is, these opinions' ability to determine a better DAC or whatever is better than one would obtain from a purely random selection.

    It sure would be interesting to see some well done research looking into 'the audiophile experience' - but it's not a hot research topic AFAIK. There is a phenomenology here backed up by a loose, shared vocabulary among audiophiles that poses some interesting questions in terms of what objective correlates might be discoverable.

    Indeed, our thread-starter purrin spent quite a lot of time in past years conducting CSD plots and looking (informally I think) at what correlates he and his fellow listeners could and could not establish. Purrin is most certainly not an outright subjectivist; rather he seems interested in exactly these broader questions. But also in enjoying the music :wink:

     
  12. olegausany
    Where are those upgraded?
     
  13. olegausany
    You can upgrade to irDac
     
  14. estreeter
     
    +1. 
     
  15. Sonic Defender Contributor

    Patience, I suspect there is some Schiity goodness in store in the near future. It has been a while since the Gungnir was designed, and there have been some meaningful advances in DAC design so you can bet Schiit will respond soon enough. They don't just say something for pure marketing so upgradeable means upgradeable.
     
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