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Thoughts on a bunch of DACs (and why delta-sigma kinda sucks, just to get you to think about stuff)

Discussion in 'Dedicated Source Components' started by purrin, Dec 5, 2013.
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  1. Yoga
    On a related note, has anyone compared the Schiit Wryd to the Berkeley Alpha USB? Purrin? :¬)
     
  2. purrin
     
    Why? It's not like any of these portable amps are resolving enough to let you hear the difference between 16 and 18bit material, and anything beyond 44.1kHz can't be heard anyways (assuming we are working from the same master).
     
     
     
    Different devices and not comparable. Wyrd doesn't convert USB to SPDIF like Alpha. Wyrd is only USB to USB - it's not a converter, it's a USB decrapifier.
     
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  3. Yoga
     
    A slight oversight on my part there, thanks.
     
    The Wyrd seems worth a pop. A lot cheaper than a premium USB cable.
     
  4. kugino Contributor
    yeah, when I got into this hobby 12 years ago the big names were Meier and RSA and then a lot of smaller DIY outfits. my gear bCk then comprised of stuff from larocco and other gear. who remembers how good the PINT and other amps were? yes, gear today is better and more professional looking, but RSA and Meier and a bunch of other folk did a whole lot to get this hobby going in the 90s and early 2000s.
     
  5. Argo Duck
    Meier's still doing ok. He's working on reducing amplifier intermodulation distortion right now.
     
  6. estreeter
     
    I believe this is the natural competition for the Wyrd, unless the term 'decrapifier' encompasses something beyond what iFi claims their iPurifier does. 
     
    http://www.hdphonic.com/en/hardware/ifi-ipurifier/
     
  7. drez
    I think the uptone audio regen is a more comparable product.

    The iFi looks more like an usb filter than a regenerator. Could be good though.
     
  8. Hansotek
    It doesn't appear to have a data reclocker or provide independent power for the USB DAC, so I don't see a lot of similarity (other than the function of adding clean seperation from the computer's USB).
     
  9. Sonic Defender Contributor
    So here is my dilemma, I want to try a new DAC sound signature, but I'm worried about the hashy Sabre DACs. They really just don't sound that good from what I have heard and read. Great at resolution, but very rarely do I ever hear them being called musical. Sabre suggestions are welcome, but certainly not cold implementations. I value ubber resolution less than listen-ability. Currently I still like my Gungnir, but after two years I have decided I need a new sound signature. I don't want to do a side-grade, and I'm willing to spend about $1000 - $1400 for a new DAC. I was tempted to stretch for the Yggy, but at $3000US, plus shipping, plus duties, plus taxes, well, it becomes $4000 Canadian very quickly so I need another option.
     
    I have a line on an Audio GD Master 7, which would be great, but it doesn't have the USB which requires I sink in at least $500 more simply to connect it so that is feeling hard to swallow on top of the $1800 for the DAC.
     
    Ideally there would be a DAC in my price range that would be able to improve on the resolution ability of the Gungnir, yet remain musical and not be overly analytical. I could be wrong, but it seems that most Sabre implementations are very detailed focused, and that in my limited experience results in elements being dissected out of the music while the overall music suffers and becomes sterile sounding. Perhaps there is a Sabre DAC that isn't like this? I'm open to suggestions for a standalone DAC, no amplifier section, and it should be fully balanced. Maybe I want to much for too little?
     
  10. johnjen
    I've been running a PWD mk1-2 for a few years now and I suggest a look see.
     
    Yes they are finicky and selecting the 'best' s/w for your needs will take some time, but it does have 'significant' resolution and inner detail and can sound wonderful.
     
    And I suspect they will be coming up on the used market soon after Jggy appears.
    Just a thought… [​IMG]
     
     
    JJ
     
  11. coli
    Look on the bright side, at the rate the Canadian dollar is falling, the $4000 Yggy becomes $5000 in a year, netting you a gain of $1000 Canadian.
     
  12. Sonic Defender Contributor

    If only that were true! The second you buy the DAC it drops 20% in value when it comes to actually selling it if you need to so no investment potential there! I know you were joking. Just two years ago the Canadian dollar was higher than the US dollar, those were good days up here, good days indeed.
     
  13. Sonic Defender Contributor
    Anybody here tried the Questyle DAC? Frankly I couldn't care less about DSD and sadly it supports DSD which is a waste of circuitry for me anyway.
     
  14. estreeter
     
    OK - you'll forgive me if I've never quite understood the Canadian perspective on this. 
     
    1. The projected sticker on the Yggy is 2300USD - somewhere in the vicinity of 2880 CAD. 
    2, Is shipping really that exorbitant from the US to Canada ? I realise that both are very big countries, but you should be able to get an estimate using the Rag as your guinea pig : same dimensions, similar weight
     
    This site gave me a duty amount of 144CAD based on the 2880 figure for 'DVD / Blu-ray Players' (the closest I could find to any form of audio component):
     
    http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/dte-acl/est-cal-eng.html
     
    Obviously, I have no idea which province you live in, but you're still well short of 4000CAD by my calculations. I accept that its easy for me to spend your money, and I'm in a similar position here - I just wonder if you've thought this through. Everything you claim to want from a DAC seems to be precisely what purrin is claiming for Yggy - spending 1500-2000 CAD on another DAC will be a false economy if you are no happier with your choice 6 months from now. We've all been there - I definitely went down that road with headphone amps till I bit the bullet and shelled out for a Taurus - and it's a road I dont like to see others travel. 
     
  15. czy6412
    Does anyone have some idea on Sonore exD DSD DAC?
     
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