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They might be Kings: Focal Utopia, Sony MDR-Z1R, HiFiMan Susvara, HE1000 V2, MrSpeakers Ether Flow & Meze Empyrean

Discussion in 'Currawong' started by currawong, Mar 6, 2017.
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  1. jjthorn
    I have only used speakers and have little knowledge of headphones.
     
    I am considering purchasing a high quality headphone and running them from my ME24 preamp's power amp outlets.
     
    I have found this thread of great interest as I would probably purchase one of the headphones nominated in the thread.
     
    Would I be wasting money purchasing a Focal Utopia, Hifiman HE1000 V2, Sony MDR-Z1R or MrSpeakers Ether Flow headphones and running them from a preamps power amp outlets.
     
    My preamp has 2 ohms (open loop) output impedance and 10 VRMS output voltage.
     
    Most readers of this thread would not have heard of the Australian ME equipment but Currawong may have.
     
    I would be using the preamp and headphones with a Mirus Pro DAC.
     
     
  2. Currawong Contributor
    I'm going to copy across some discussion from Youtube on my Utopia review. Someone wrote what I think is a very good argument. I've included my reply.
     
     
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  3. up late
    nothing new there tbh. you can't agree on the "objective" terms that you are discussing because you are both using them subjectively, and your subjective perspectives differ.

    i think that the music i listen to is generally well recorded and mastered. if i we're using my loudspeakers as a reference then the utopia's reproduction of that music would sound more "neutral" and "transparent" than the mdr-z1r to me. however, if i were using loudspeakers that have a warmer and bassier presentation as my reference, then i would probably think that the utopia's reproduction of that music is "skewed towards highs, transparency or clarity" and is somewhat bass lite.
     
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  4. phaeton70
    I think everyone has his/her own idea of "neutrality", based on several factors. music reproduction is a so subjective matter that I honestly cannot imagine an objective definition of "neutrality", it depends on too many extremely subjective factors (for example, conformation of my own ear canal and porches, fr of my ear drum, live music experience, etc..)
     
    I just trust my sensations. if I like the music I hear from an headphones, that's enough. couple of days ago I have tried to use again my HEK v1. same ears as 6 months ago. same gears. same music. I have put them back on their stand after 2 hours. Utopia is way more addictive and push me much more directly into the music. 
     
    if I have the chance (I am one of the "lucky upgrade opportunity" winners, but still haven't received anything from december) I will see if HEK v2 is in the same ballpark or better than Utopia. otherwise I'm done for now, I have listened to almost all the totl, and Utopia is the best fit for me, for how I like to listen to music. waiting to hear Abyss Phi though, could be my next xmas (auto)gift [​IMG] 
     
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  5. montanari
    You miss a chord Dave :grimacing:
     
  6. phaeton70
    that's not a can [​IMG]
     
    seriously, I've found my cup of tea wrt electronics after wasting lots of money and time, don't want to start again [​IMG]
     
  7. Currawong Contributor
    The question got me thinking about the Z1Rs again, which have been my main listening cans while I work out what I want to say in my review. There is something plainly enjoyable about listening with them, especially the bass, which has brought out things on some tracks I didn't realise were there. To some degree, I'm not looking forward to comparing them.
     
    Here are the photos I took in preparation:
     
    Sony_MDR-Z1R-D75_6412.jpg
     
    Sony_MDR-Z1R-D75_6416.jpg
     
    Sony_MDR-Z1R-D75_6428.jpg
     
    Sony_MDR-Z1R-D75_6417.jpg
     
    Sony_MDR-Z1R-D75_6463.jpg
     
    Sony_MDR-Z1R-D75_6457.jpg
     
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  8. s82223
    I recently bought Z1R as my end game(and sold t1 2nd gen.)
     
    I gotta say that both kimber and stock cable are terrible, too dark and the bass is a bit overwhelming.
     
    Just bought a silver/copper hybrid cable for Z1R, and both top/bottom end extension are back! 
     
    The bass is tighter and more punchy, soundstage is wider, and the brightness is just right!
     
    Z1R really need a decent upgrade cable to unchain it's potential.
     
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  9. BunnyNamedCraig

    What amp and DAC are you paring with the Z1R?

    Edit: btw departing from the T1 second gen to get the Z1R is interesting to me. I love both of these cans (I like the Z1R more personally) but curious as to what difference between the 2 you liked more?
     
  10. jmills8
    which cable ?
     
  11. canali
    i know this is to open a can of worms but...
    i just can't see how a reputable audio firm like sony (or hifi man or audeze,
    heck anyone selling a $2-3k set of cans), will put a mediocre stock cable on it that
    could lessen it's sound sig from what the R&D/marketing/engineers had in mind.
     
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  12. joseph69

    I read it all the time and I don't understand it myself?
    People spending $3-4K on a TOTL headphone, and then another $1K+/-  because of an insufficient cable just doesn't make any sense to me.
     
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  13. s82223
    Schiit yggy and kevin gilmore dynahi.
     
    What I really like about Z1R is the powerful bass, it's more enjoyable and fun.
     
    As for T1, it perform pretty well in all genre, but it lacks of characteristics(ilke soundstage of HD800, bass of Z1R)
     
    Both HP are great, but Z1R is more fit for my taste :)
     
  14. s82223
    Norne audio Arcane.
     
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  15. Toolman
     
    If you think stock cables suffice, and will optimise the performance of your cans, then so be it. I'm sure those free earbuds from Apple must be the best for your DAPs/Phones too eh?

    You can probably question the sanity of the guys who will even be silly enough to mod their Ferraris, Ducatis etc
     
    jmills8 likes this.
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