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Aug 23, 2007 at 7:14 AM Post #4,381 of 5,940

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What???? Please do not underestimate the power of headfi, eh? How about this thread to begin with???

This review is IMVPO (which nobody had to agree with BTW) non very inspiring at all, and the information given there is IMO really poor, and using the same waffle we can read about any heapdhone in any place, just replace the name of Editon 9 by any other, and you will see that besides the particular specs, and S-logic reference, the same verbiage could be used to describe any other sound of any other headphone, and could be applied to any model/manufacturer the same way. IMO and definitelly one of the worst I have read published in one specialized magazine of the caliber of Stereophile, in honor of the truth, just compare it to any of markl's reviews, about any gear, just to mention one of the many we have here, and you will see the difference...



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yes, i should have mentioned head-fi too.

i agree, the content of the review was pretty lame - i would have liked to have seen a more in-depth WP review instead - but he did gush all over the HP. headphones have largely been ingnored in the past by the hi-fi mags, so any positive review that comes from one, especially one as recognized as Stereophile, i think carries some weight. oddly enough, i own two products that JM likes: BM DAC1 and PL2500.

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Aug 23, 2007 at 7:14 AM Post #4,382 of 5,940

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i'm sure the recent positive review in Stereophile by John Marks had something to do with it. He also reviewed the PL2500 and a Rudistor amp.


How 'bout this thread indeed. I have seen so many Prolines and later on so many Ed9's been bought here since this thread (being sold again also). I believe before it was not a real well-known and highly regarded product.
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Aug 23, 2007 at 7:19 AM Post #4,383 of 5,940

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How 'bout this thread indeed. I have seen so many Prolines and later on so many Ed9's been bought here since this thread (being sold again also). I believe before it was not a real well-known and highly regarded product.
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Its more like a snake that goes for the wallet instead of the bite...sneaky sneaky walrus. Now I am just sitting tuning my rig with different toys to work better across my music spectrum - and the big step is gone...snake went for the wallet, but I did not carry one =]
 
Aug 27, 2007 at 1:41 PM Post #4,384 of 5,940

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I think of this thread as a reference thread/archive for all things Ultrasone.
So while I didn't want it to just get lost in the shuffle of nearly 4400 posts, it still seems to belong here as a reference:

I attended the recent NorCal regional meet this past Saturday in the Bay Area. This is a continuation of my comments on the meet. (found here: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showth...35#post3227735
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I had a chance to do an interesting little experiment at the NorCal meet this past Saturday involving 3 of the 4 Edition 9s in attendance. MaloS had his fairly new Edition 9s but they are the only ones I didn't listen to. I also don't know the number of burn in hours on his but I do know he got them fairly recently.
(Also as a side note I believe that there were only two Edition 9s at the International meet in April--what are now my pair and another pair that Ultrasone had. I believe that neither pair was burned in, mine for sure had low hours on them.)

I was in the High End Room at this meet with a well known amp builder (not Ray Samuels) and another owner of Edition 9s. I overheard an unfavorable comment about the Edition 9 sound signature that didn't match my experience of the Edition 9s. I went to listen to the pair that was there (turns out with about 125 hours on them) and I didn't think they sounded very good at all (in comparison to what Edition 9s can sound like). To my ears they had a slightly wooly, inarticulate, and somewhat boomy bass. There was hash in the mid-range, and they lacked the quality of silky smoothness of sound and overall integration of sound that is one of the hallmarks of the Edition 9 for me. So I had them listen to mine (with at least 500-600 hours or more on them) and the amp builder said (which we all agreed with) that "those don't even sound like the same headphone."

So the three od us set there and A/Bed the unburned ones against mine with the same exact source/volume level on the amp-just substituting one headphone for the other in the jack. All three of us felt it wasn't even close as a general perception, there was a very apparent difference for the better with my Edition 9s. Later Voltron came by with his Edition 9s, the estimate was something beyond 125 hours but not 400--maybe 200 was mentioned but I can't recall exactly. This time 2 or three of us heard a difference but less noticable between mine and his. Especially the first one was closer to comparing a 2500 to an Edition 9 (maybe not that much, but enough to make them sound like mine were a higher grade model in the Ultrsone line). This was very apparent to all of us.

In honesty I can't say for sure that the differences were due to the different levels of burn in, but I suspect that this is the case. It is possible that there could be a quality control issue with different Edition 9s and I was the lucky winner. But the qualities I had heard in both cans, but most noticably in the less burned in Edition 9, are qualities that I had also experienced earlier in my Edition 9 (and also two 750s that I've taken through burn in). Another thing that I've noticed is that especially in the first 75-100 hours there can be some harsh brightness in the highs that later disappears.

IME at about 200 to 250 hours the sound becomes consistently good, but I don't think the burn in is complete. That is because from approx 250 to 400 hours there is a subtle change that is still very important to the overall "mature" sound of the Edition 9s. This change seems to me to be a subtle refinement of the sound so that it become more silky. This is accompanied by a better integration of sound throughout the soundstage. It like finishing off a piece with a pleasant, lusterous shine.

So unless you've heard a fully burned in (400 hours or more) Edition 9, you haven't really heard what the Edition 9 is capable of.
 
Aug 27, 2007 at 2:07 PM Post #4,385 of 5,940

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[size=xx-small]......... Another thing that I've noticed is that especially in the first 75-100 hours there can be some harsh brightness in the highs that later disappears.

IME at about 200 to 250 hours the sound becomes consistently good, but I don't think the burn in is complete. That is because from approx 250 to 400 hours there is a subtle change that is still very important to the overall "mature" sound of the Edition 9s. This change seems to me to be a subtle refinement of the sound so that it become more silky. This is accompanied by a better integration of sound throughout the soundstage. It like finishing off a piece with a pleasant, lusterous shine.

So unless you've heard a fully burned in (400 hours or more) Edition 9, you haven't really heard what the Edition 9 is capable of.
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Good observations!

I guess it's possible then, that some of the improvement I've heard in my modified PL-650s I have may be due in part to burn in?? If so, this extended burn in is not without precedent. The AKG K701s likewise benefit from 400+ hour burn in times.
 
Aug 27, 2007 at 2:07 PM Post #4,386 of 5,940

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Nice impressions. As a coincedance, I was going to post just now about further changes I've heard from about 400 hours to the 700ish I have on them now, most at high volume (when I'm not listening). Just listening to BT Binary Universe again and it's like a different album. This album never gave me chills before, no matter how prepared to concentrate in the dark I was. I still don't think it's a great album but it does show the difference in a nicely burned in ED9. There was never any sibilance with this CD though, unlike others with the un-burned ED9. The main difference is speed of resolution and soundstage.

Anyway, it sounds like you had fun at the meet! I'm jealous.
 
Aug 27, 2007 at 5:13 PM Post #4,387 of 5,940

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The Edition 9 that had unfavorable reviews about it was also primarily listened to through an SS-1, which IMO was a fairly bright amplifier, and not necessarily a good combination with E9 (even though it could drive some other cans beautifully...there were also 2 k340s in the room which did not sound all that great with it either).

As I mentioned in another post LDJ, you should have grabbed mine. They are around 270 hours, and did not seem to demonstrate any sound issues since I got very positive impressions from everyone who tried them out.
 
Aug 27, 2007 at 5:45 PM Post #4,388 of 5,940

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Thanx for the impressions Laurence! Looks like you've had one hell of a cool meet there! So much stuff I've never heard of and looks so interesting! Can't wait for another Holland-meet...Thanx again
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Aug 27, 2007 at 10:26 PM Post #4,392 of 5,940

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The Edition 9 that had unfavorable reviews about it was also primarily listened to through an SS-1, which IMO was a fairly bright amplifier, and not necessarily a good combination with E9 (even though it could drive some other cans beautifully...there were also 2 k340s in the room which did not sound all that great with it either).

As I mentioned in another post LDJ, you should have grabbed mine. They are around 270 hours, and did not seem to demonstrate any sound issues since I got very positive impressions from everyone who tried them out.



Looks like that was another missed opportunity to refine that test even further. I did think to go look for you but I couldn't find you or else I got distracted by some new gear (probably Foo_me's AKG-K100-/Zanden/EMM rig. I can't fault myself too much as that was a stunning rig that made me forget about everything else).

Yes, from my experience at 270 hours the Edition 9s have done most of their maturing so that the obvious faults have been resolved. But I do believe that there will be an additional subtle level of refinement at 400+ hours that will add a very wonderful sense of integration and smoothness that is not yet present in yours. (And I mean this as "in comparison only" as the Edition 9, even out ofthe box start out with a level of refinement that most headphones could never touch.)
 
Aug 27, 2007 at 10:38 PM Post #4,393 of 5,940

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Looks like that was another missed opportunity to refine that test even further. I did think to go look for you but I couldn't find you ...


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Aug 28, 2007 at 7:58 AM Post #4,394 of 5,940

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I thought my bald head was visible a mile away.


Bald head?

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Aug 28, 2007 at 8:00 AM Post #4,395 of 5,940

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Just out of curiosity, what is the best price possible on a new pair of Ed9's from an authorized dealer that anyone has found so far?
 

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