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Nov 11, 2024 at 1:55 PM Post #97,996 of 99,468
What is the general consensus about DCS Lina without the master clock? It's been on my short list for ages now, but my favourite HI-Fi dealer says it's not that great without the master clock. I have heard it many times, but always with the master clock..
I will have to research this, for sure I will demo a few different options.
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 3:04 PM Post #97,998 of 99,468
Nov 11, 2024 at 3:10 PM Post #97,999 of 99,468
I will do my best to join next time. Although I'll probably end up wanting even more stuff. Right now, I'm looking for a DAC though, so it's safe to go to the meetings (famous last words)!
it is the same for me too... I look for something and end up buying other stuff on top!! You are not alone!
 
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Nov 11, 2024 at 3:58 PM Post #98,001 of 99,468
The results of our Fall Survey are in!

Raw data here for anyone interested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vvspapsKAdiJcxS4Y4-ZlkOfO2mWmrJF6L-3wg2mSyM/edit?usp=sharing

PMG APX SE x24

Subtonic Storm x18
Forte Ears Macbeth x17
Campfire Audio Trifecta x17
Oriolus Traillii JP x16
Elysian Acoustic Labs Annihilator x15
Fir Audio Radon 6 x13
Fir Audio Xenon 6 x12
Brise Fugaku x10


Elysian Acoustic Labs X x9
Aroma Audio Fei Wan x9
Noble Chronicle x7
Oriolus Traillii TI x7
64 Audio Fourte/Noir/Blanc x6
Alpha&Omega Omega x6
Dita Perpetua x6
PMG APX OG x5
Vision Ears EXT/Mkii x5

Empire Ears Odin x5
Noble Viking/Ragnar x5


Unique Melody Amber Pearl x4
Vision Ears VE10 x4
Vision Ears Erlkönig x4
Unique Melody Multiverse Mentor x4
Empire Ears Legend X x3

Campfire Audio Astrolith x3
Nostalgia Audio Camelot x3
AK/EE Novus x3

Empire Ears Raven x3
Fitear DC TI x3
Melodic Artification Alter Ego x2

Empire Ears Legend Eco x2
Penon Impact x2
Aroma Jewel x2
AME Mousa x2

Noble Onyx x2
Penon Rival x2
64 Audio Volur x2
Canpur CP622b x2


Vision Ears VE8
Noble Sultan
Vision Ears Phonix
Craft Ears Omnium
Noble Nodachi
Fir Audio Krypton 5
HS2000Max
FatFreq Grand Maestro
NG Audio Erebus
QDC Emperor
Vision Ears Elysium
Elysian Acoustic Dio
Campfire Audio Clara
VE/AK Aura

Unique Melody Maven II x19

64 Audio u/a12t x12
Sony IER-Z1R x11
Campfire Audio Bonneville x10

NightJar Acoustics Singularity x10

Sennheiser ie900 x9
Unique Melody MEST I/II/III x7
Campfire Audio Andromeda x5
Noble Spartacus x5
Penon Fan x4
Thieaudio Origin x4
Dita Project M x4
Campfire Audio Supermoon x4
Empire Ears Triton x4

64 Audio u4s x4

Noble Crescent x3
Campfire Audio Cascara x3
Campfire Audio Clara x3
FatFreq Deuce x3
Campfire Audio Fathom x3
Custom Art Fibae 5 x3
Oriolus Monachaa x3
Thieaudio Monarch 1/2/3 x3
Aur Audio Neon Pro x3
Elysian Pilgrim/Noir x3


QDC Superior EX x2
Final a8000 x2
Aur Audio Aur x2
Campfire Audio Black Star x2
Canpur CP54E x2
Symphonium Crimson x2
BGPV Phantom x2
Elysian Diva x2
Symphonium Europa x2
Oriolus Isabellae x2
634 Ears LOAK II x2
Mega5-EST x2
Letshouer S12 x2
Campfire Audio Solaris x2
Dunu SA6 x2
Oriveti Supremacy x2
QDC/Fitear Supremacy x2
Thieaudio V16 x2
Penon Voltage x2
Westone W60 x2
Westone W80 x2
64 Audio Solo x2
Thieaudio Prestive x2
FatFreq Maestro SE x2
Ice Labs Prismatica x2

122 Votes Cast-- thanks to everyone who participated!
What a list!!

Will be interesting to see what rises up in the year end 2024 poll.
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 4:31 PM Post #98,002 of 99,468
If you add up both Trailli, or to some stretch, add up RN6 and XE6...

Traillii OG & Ti I kind of get as they're iterations of the same IEM but Xe6 and Rn6 are totally different. FWIW I counted the Traillii (and APX) variants seperately because some people voted for both.
 
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Nov 11, 2024 at 5:23 PM Post #98,004 of 99,468
What is the general consensus about DCS Lina without the master clock? It's been on my short list for ages now, but my favourite HI-Fi dealer says it's not that great without the master clock. I have heard it many times, but always with the master clock...
The Lina is an excellent DAC. I briefly heard it without the clock and was not able to tell an immediate difference. Maybe a longer audition would have made a difference. It was only part of one track and I do not even remember the track.

I did go back and forth a number of times with it and the Holo Stack and preferred the Holo Stack. But again, not side by side in my own home. Either way it is an excellent DAC, just not sure it is worth the expense over the Holo Audio May. I also dislike the marketing from DCS as to the need for an external clock. I personally feel it should be built in. MSB and Berkeley do not use an external clock as two top tier examples of why I think this is part marketing by DCS. Don’t forget if you really go all out, now you need an expensive power cable and connection from the clock to the Lina. Some feel the connecting cable makes a difference. It just starts to spiral when I feel it should be built in.

Anyway, just my own bias. But the Lina is excellent either way, and you can always add a clock later.
 
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Nov 11, 2024 at 5:47 PM Post #98,005 of 99,468
The results of our Fall Survey are in!

Raw data here for anyone interested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vvspapsKAdiJcxS4Y4-ZlkOfO2mWmrJF6L-3wg2mSyM/edit?usp=sharing

PMG APX SE x24

Subtonic Storm x18
Forte Ears Macbeth x17
Campfire Audio Trifecta x17
Oriolus Traillii JP x16
Elysian Acoustic Labs Annihilator x15
Fir Audio Radon 6 x13
Fir Audio Xenon 6 x12
Brise Fugaku x10


Elysian Acoustic Labs X x9
Aroma Audio Fei Wan x9
Noble Chronicle x7
Oriolus Traillii TI x7
64 Audio Fourte/Noir/Blanc x6
Alpha&Omega Omega x6
Dita Perpetua x6
PMG APX OG x5
Vision Ears EXT/Mkii x5

Empire Ears Odin x5
Noble Viking/Ragnar x5


Unique Melody Amber Pearl x4
Vision Ears VE10 x4
Vision Ears Erlkönig x4
Unique Melody Multiverse Mentor x4
Empire Ears Legend X x3

Campfire Audio Astrolith x3
Nostalgia Audio Camelot x3
AK/EE Novus x3

Empire Ears Raven x3
Fitear DC TI x3
Melodic Artification Alter Ego x2

Empire Ears Legend Eco x2
Penon Impact x2
Aroma Jewel x2
AME Mousa x2

Noble Onyx x2
Penon Rival x2
64 Audio Volur x2
Canpur CP622b x2


Vision Ears VE8
Noble Sultan
Vision Ears Phonix
Craft Ears Omnium
Noble Nodachi
Fir Audio Krypton 5
HS2000Max
FatFreq Grand Maestro
NG Audio Erebus
QDC Emperor
Vision Ears Elysium
Elysian Acoustic Dio
Campfire Audio Clara
VE/AK Aura

Unique Melody Maven II x19

64 Audio u/a12t x12
Sony IER-Z1R x11
Campfire Audio Bonneville x10

NightJar Acoustics Singularity x10

Sennheiser ie900 x9
Unique Melody MEST I/II/III x7
Campfire Audio Andromeda x5
Noble Spartacus x5
Penon Fan x4
Thieaudio Origin x4
Dita Project M x4
Campfire Audio Supermoon x4
Empire Ears Triton x4

64 Audio u4s x4

Noble Crescent x3
Campfire Audio Cascara x3
Campfire Audio Clara x3
FatFreq Deuce x3
Campfire Audio Fathom x3
Custom Art Fibae 5 x3
Oriolus Monachaa x3
Thieaudio Monarch 1/2/3 x3
Aur Audio Neon Pro x3
Elysian Pilgrim/Noir x3


QDC Superior EX x2
Final a8000 x2
Aur Audio Aur x2
Campfire Audio Black Star x2
Canpur CP54E x2
Symphonium Crimson x2
BGPV Phantom x2
Elysian Diva x2
Symphonium Europa x2
Oriolus Isabellae x2
634 Ears LOAK II x2
Mega5-EST x2
Letshouer S12 x2
Campfire Audio Solaris x2
Dunu SA6 x2
Oriveti Supremacy x2
QDC/Fitear Supremacy x2
Thieaudio V16 x2
Penon Voltage x2
Westone W60 x2
Westone W80 x2
64 Audio Solo x2
Thieaudio Prestive x2
FatFreq Maestro SE x2
Ice Labs Prismatica x2

122 Votes Cast-- thanks to everyone who participated!

My Rn6 and Anni live to fight another day! :smiley:
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 5:50 PM Post #98,006 of 99,468
The results of our Fall Survey are in!

Raw data here for anyone interested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vvspapsKAdiJcxS4Y4-ZlkOfO2mWmrJF6L-3wg2mSyM/edit?usp=sharing

PMG APX SE x24

Subtonic Storm x18
Forte Ears Macbeth x17
Campfire Audio Trifecta x17
Oriolus Traillii JP x16
Elysian Acoustic Labs Annihilator x15
Fir Audio Radon 6 x13
Fir Audio Xenon 6 x12
Brise Fugaku x10


Elysian Acoustic Labs X x9
Aroma Audio Fei Wan x9
Noble Chronicle x7
Oriolus Traillii TI x7
64 Audio Fourte/Noir/Blanc x6
Alpha&Omega Omega x6
Dita Perpetua x6
PMG APX OG x5
Vision Ears EXT/Mkii x5

Empire Ears Odin x5
Noble Viking/Ragnar x5


Unique Melody Amber Pearl x4
Vision Ears VE10 x4
Vision Ears Erlkönig x4
Unique Melody Multiverse Mentor x4
Empire Ears Legend X x3

Campfire Audio Astrolith x3
Nostalgia Audio Camelot x3
AK/EE Novus x3

Empire Ears Raven x3
Fitear DC TI x3
Melodic Artification Alter Ego x2

Empire Ears Legend Eco x2
Penon Impact x2
Aroma Jewel x2
AME Mousa x2

Noble Onyx x2
Penon Rival x2
64 Audio Volur x2
Canpur CP622b x2


Vision Ears VE8
Noble Sultan
Vision Ears Phonix
Craft Ears Omnium
Noble Nodachi
Fir Audio Krypton 5
HS2000Max
FatFreq Grand Maestro
NG Audio Erebus
QDC Emperor
Vision Ears Elysium
Elysian Acoustic Dio
Campfire Audio Clara
VE/AK Aura

Unique Melody Maven II x19

64 Audio u/a12t x12
Sony IER-Z1R x11
Campfire Audio Bonneville x10

NightJar Acoustics Singularity x10

Sennheiser ie900 x9
Unique Melody MEST I/II/III x7
Campfire Audio Andromeda x5
Noble Spartacus x5
Penon Fan x4
Thieaudio Origin x4
Dita Project M x4
Campfire Audio Supermoon x4
Empire Ears Triton x4

64 Audio u4s x4

Noble Crescent x3
Campfire Audio Cascara x3
Campfire Audio Clara x3
FatFreq Deuce x3
Campfire Audio Fathom x3
Custom Art Fibae 5 x3
Oriolus Monachaa x3
Thieaudio Monarch 1/2/3 x3
Aur Audio Neon Pro x3
Elysian Pilgrim/Noir x3


QDC Superior EX x2
Final a8000 x2
Aur Audio Aur x2
Campfire Audio Black Star x2
Canpur CP54E x2
Symphonium Crimson x2
BGPV Phantom x2
Elysian Diva x2
Symphonium Europa x2
Oriolus Isabellae x2
634 Ears LOAK II x2
Mega5-EST x2
Letshouer S12 x2
Campfire Audio Solaris x2
Dunu SA6 x2
Oriveti Supremacy x2
QDC/Fitear Supremacy x2
Thieaudio V16 x2
Penon Voltage x2
Westone W60 x2
Westone W80 x2
64 Audio Solo x2
Thieaudio Prestive x2
FatFreq Maestro SE x2
Ice Labs Prismatica x2

122 Votes Cast-- thanks to everyone who participated!
Wow, Maven II is killing it in the under 2K bucket.
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 5:59 PM Post #98,007 of 99,468
What is the general consensus about DCS Lina without the master clock? It's been on my short list for ages now, but my favourite HI-Fi dealer says it's not that great without the master clock. I have heard it many times, but always with the master clock...
By the way, I did get to compare the Lina directly to the Mola Mola side by side. I thought both were on equal footing. The Lina had the clock and obviously the Mola Mola does not use one. The comparison was done using 2 HPs, the Susvara and the Abyss 1266 ( latest iteration ). I cannot say I had a clear favorite, maybe the Lina, but I liked both. Unfortunately we were only able to use the Lina amp at the time.

Anyway, I don’t think you can make a wrong choice as you can always add the clock later.
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 6:11 PM Post #98,008 of 99,468
Nov 11, 2024 at 6:21 PM Post #98,009 of 99,468
Wow, Maven II is killing it in the under 2K bucket.
As it should! Fantastic sounding IEM and very comfortable to wear!
 

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