The Watercooler -- Impressions, philosophical discussion and general banter. Index on first page. All welcome.
Nov 11, 2024 at 6:00 AM Post #97,981 of 101,486
I think what's important is to find who writes reliable impressions that you can bounce off of and triangulate if an IEM is interesting enough to track down. "Reliable" does not mean "likes the same sound" or "knows what you like".

Case in point, at Dublin meetup my takeaway was the Omnium is bright (via usual WM1Z og). Not bright like Ultrasone Ed 10 in Tyll's infamous reaction video. But bright. Some forum posts and online magazines describe that set as "very balanced" and use subheadings that would not be out of place on a movie trailer. Which is absolutely fine, as i file Omnium under "not interesting" and move on :)
Looking at the IEMs one reviewer liked and comparing with my own experience with those particular models and then extrapolating to new ones is an approach I have applied in the past, with good success. Also, the music they listen to tells me if I can rely on their review for myself or not. The main issue being that in the end I do buy blindly. And because I live in Europe, many models are not easy to find/import. So I need a rough estimate if I will like it or not. It may not be scientifically correct, but science tells me that once I have the Traillii, I can stop. And yet, here I am, trying to decide, based on somebody else's written notes, what my next purchase should be. It's tough. :)

With regard to genre specific sets, mentioned by someone else, I find it plausible that some sets perform great with folk music, but not with extreme metal, for example. So I never discard a set only because someone said it's good for rap, for example. I derive some info from there, where the emphasis in the bass range is, how likely it is for that person to look for intricate cymbals work, etc. If you want a clear example, I use two different guitar amps, for different tones. Is it reasonable to expect an IEM to play all the music the same?

The point I'm trying to make is that in a perfect world, I'd just try everything, even based on design, why not? Pleasure cab come from all senses, not sound alone. But we live in the real world, where each of us devises his own system for evaluating something before buying. And all systems are equally valid, because they are all individual. What works for me might be idiotic to another and it's fine, as he won't have to listen to my set, my music, with my ears and with my brain. Otherwise, we'd just look at the FR graph and things would be much simpler.
So far, I was right about Storm, Maven 2, based on selected reviews. Wrong about Viking and others. Whether this info is of any relevance to others, it remains to be seen.
If anyone is kind enough to lend me a Macbeth, I'm all ears, so to speak :)
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 6:42 AM Post #97,982 of 101,486
With regard to genre specific sets, mentioned by someone else, I find it plausible that some sets perform great with folk music, but not with extreme metal, for example. So I never discard a set only because someone said it's good for rap, for example. I derive some info from there, where the emphasis in the bass range is, how likely it is for that person to look for intricate cymbals work, etc. If you want a clear example, I use two different guitar amps, for different tones. Is it reasonable to expect an IEM to play all the music the same?

So far, I was right about Storm, Maven 2, based on selected reviews. Wrong about Viking and others. Whether this info is of any relevance to others, it remains to be seen.

This is why I prefer to avoid buying based upon focusing on any one genre. I know why some people ask this question though. And it is a valid approach, people do buy and are very happy based on following this.

When it is written "this headphone is a [genre] specialist", I read (and usually experience) the headphone has funky EQ tuning 'somewhere' and this turn of phrase is the writer being diplomatic about that.
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 6:55 AM Post #97,983 of 101,486
Hopefully not:sweat_smile::ksc75smile:. No really, 2023 was wild, but I have sold some stuff, and have slowed down buying during this last year. Could have been worse, I could have been collecting full size speakers! 😅
yeah.. full sized speakers might have been logistically more challenging ... same thing here, been way shopping-wilder in the past and not moved to a much more selective approach but I still have to make my mind about selling
 
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Nov 11, 2024 at 8:36 AM Post #97,984 of 101,486
Well, it shouldn't lose any points for that bass, either. Listening now and the sub rumble is palpable and visceral! BA bass!?!? It works insanely well here with the BCDs!
Don't get me wrong, it's got great (BA) bass, and actually very good bass in general, with very realistic rumble (especially for a BA). But when it comes to physicality and (real) air movement, any one of my top DD bass IEMs easily has it beat. That's ok though, Macbeth has its own unique strengths. It can't be (and isn't) the best at everything.
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 9:25 AM Post #97,985 of 101,486
It’s still available from many HK stores, here an example
https://www.masterteamhk.com/en/products/hansound-audio-nyx

Nice you still enjoy Nyx, it’s a cable I like with some iems😊
I still prefer the cheaper Nyx to the more expensive Torfa 2W

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HanSound Kula
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 12:14 PM Post #97,987 of 101,486
The results of our Fall Survey are in!

Raw data here for anyone interested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vvspapsKAdiJcxS4Y4-ZlkOfO2mWmrJF6L-3wg2mSyM/edit?usp=sharing

PMG APX SE x24

Subtonic Storm x18
Forte Ears Macbeth x17
Campfire Audio Trifecta x17
Oriolus Traillii JP x16
Elysian Acoustic Labs Annihilator x15
Fir Audio Radon 6 x13
Fir Audio Xenon 6 x12
Brise Fugaku x10


Elysian Acoustic Labs X x9
Aroma Audio Fei Wan x9
Noble Chronicle x7
Oriolus Traillii TI x7
64 Audio Fourte/Noir/Blanc x6
Alpha&Omega Omega x6
Dita Perpetua x6
PMG APX OG x5
Vision Ears EXT/Mkii x5

Empire Ears Odin x5
Noble Viking/Ragnar x5


Unique Melody Amber Pearl x4
Vision Ears VE10 x4
Vision Ears Erlkönig x4
Unique Melody Multiverse Mentor x4
Empire Ears Legend X x3

Campfire Audio Astrolith x3
Nostalgia Audio Camelot x3
AK/EE Novus x3

Empire Ears Raven x3
Fitear DC TI x3
Melodic Artification Alter Ego x2

Empire Ears Legend Eco x2
Penon Impact x2
Aroma Jewel x2
AME Mousa x2

Noble Onyx x2
Penon Rival x2
64 Audio Volur x2
Canpur CP622b x2


Vision Ears VE8
Noble Sultan
Vision Ears Phonix
Craft Ears Omnium
Noble Nodachi
Fir Audio Krypton 5
HS2000Max
FatFreq Grand Maestro
NG Audio Erebus
QDC Emperor
Vision Ears Elysium
Elysian Acoustic Dio
Campfire Audio Clara
VE/AK Aura

Unique Melody Maven II x19

64 Audio u/a12t x12
Sony IER-Z1R x11
Campfire Audio Bonneville x10

NightJar Acoustics Singularity x10

Sennheiser ie900 x9
Unique Melody MEST I/II/III x7
Campfire Audio Andromeda x5
Noble Spartacus x5
Penon Fan x4
Thieaudio Origin x4
Dita Project M x4
Campfire Audio Supermoon x4
Empire Ears Triton x4

64 Audio u4s x4

Noble Crescent x3
Campfire Audio Cascara x3
Campfire Audio Clara x3
FatFreq Deuce x3
Campfire Audio Fathom x3
Custom Art Fibae 5 x3
Oriolus Monachaa x3
Thieaudio Monarch 1/2/3 x3
Aur Audio Neon Pro x3
Elysian Pilgrim/Noir x3


QDC Superior EX x2
Final a8000 x2
Aur Audio Aur x2
Campfire Audio Black Star x2
Canpur CP54E x2
Symphonium Crimson x2
BGPV Phantom x2
Elysian Diva x2
Symphonium Europa x2
Oriolus Isabellae x2
634 Ears LOAK II x2
Mega5-EST x2
Letshouer S12 x2
Campfire Audio Solaris x2
Dunu SA6 x2
Oriveti Supremacy x2
QDC/Fitear Supremacy x2
Thieaudio V16 x2
Penon Voltage x2
Westone W60 x2
Westone W80 x2
64 Audio Solo x2
Thieaudio Prestive x2
FatFreq Maestro SE x2
Ice Labs Prismatica x2

122 Votes Cast-- thanks to everyone who participated!
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 12:31 PM Post #97,988 of 101,486
The results of our Fall Survey are in!

Raw data here for anyone interested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vvspapsKAdiJcxS4Y4-ZlkOfO2mWmrJF6L-3wg2mSyM/edit?usp=sharing

PMG APX SE x24

Subtonic Storm x18
Forte Ears Macbeth x17
Campfire Audio Trifecta x17
Oriolus Traillii JP x16
Elysian Acoustic Labs Annihilator x15
Fir Audio Radon 6 x13
Fir Audio Xenon 6 x12
Brise Fugaku x10


Elysian Acoustic Labs X x9
Aroma Audio Fei Wan x9
Noble Chronicle x7
Oriolus Traillii TI x7
64 Audio Fourte/Noir/Blanc x6
Alpha&Omega Omega x6
Dita Perpetua x6
PMG APX OG x5
Vision Ears EXT/Mkii x5

Empire Ears Odin x5
Noble Viking/Ragnar x5


Unique Melody Amber Pearl x4
Vision Ears VE10 x4
Vision Ears Erlkönig x4
Unique Melody Multiverse Mentor x4
Empire Ears Legend X x3

Campfire Audio Astrolith x3
Nostalgia Audio Camelot x3
AK/EE Novus x3

Empire Ears Raven x3
Fitear DC TI x3
Melodic Artification Alter Ego x2

Empire Ears Legend Eco x2
Penon Impact x2
Aroma Jewel x2
AME Mousa x2

Noble Onyx x2
Penon Rival x2
64 Audio Volur x2
Canpur CP622b x2


Vision Ears VE8
Noble Sultan
Vision Ears Phonix
Craft Ears Omnium
Noble Nodachi
Fir Audio Krypton 5
HS2000Max
FatFreq Grand Maestro
NG Audio Erebus
QDC Emperor
Vision Ears Elysium
Elysian Acoustic Dio
Campfire Audio Clara
VE/AK Aura

Unique Melody Maven II x19

64 Audio u/a12t x12
Sony IER-Z1R x11
Campfire Audio Bonneville x10

NightJar Acoustics Singularity x10

Sennheiser ie900 x9
Unique Melody MEST I/II/III x7
Campfire Audio Andromeda x5
Noble Spartacus x5
Penon Fan x4
Thieaudio Origin x4
Dita Project M x4
Campfire Audio Supermoon x4
Empire Ears Triton x4

64 Audio u4s x4

Noble Crescent x3
Campfire Audio Cascara x3
Campfire Audio Clara x3
FatFreq Deuce x3
Campfire Audio Fathom x3
Custom Art Fibae 5 x3
Oriolus Monachaa x3
Thieaudio Monarch 1/2/3 x3
Aur Audio Neon Pro x3
Elysian Pilgrim/Noir x3


QDC Superior EX x2
Final a8000 x2
Aur Audio Aur x2
Campfire Audio Black Star x2
Canpur CP54E x2
Symphonium Crimson x2
BGPV Phantom x2
Elysian Diva x2
Symphonium Europa x2
Oriolus Isabellae x2
634 Ears LOAK II x2
Mega5-EST x2
Letshouer S12 x2
Campfire Audio Solaris x2
Dunu SA6 x2
Oriveti Supremacy x2
QDC/Fitear Supremacy x2
Thieaudio V16 x2
Penon Voltage x2
Westone W60 x2
Westone W80 x2
64 Audio Solo x2
Thieaudio Prestive x2
FatFreq Maestro SE x2
Ice Labs Prismatica x2

122 Votes Cast-- thanks to everyone who participated!
Great to see, thank you. it would be interesting to see how much staying power each IEM has on top of the list. ZR-1 and A/U12t are still favorites after all of these years.
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 1:24 PM Post #97,989 of 101,486
Indeed, it's an amazing IEM! DACs are expensive these days so I need to free up money so I don't have to ask wifey for cash :)
Which DAC did you end up going with?

I hear you. The Rockna signature is on my short list but it's so much $$$
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 1:31 PM Post #97,990 of 101,486
The results of our Fall Survey are in!

Raw data here for anyone interested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vvspapsKAdiJcxS4Y4-ZlkOfO2mWmrJF6L-3wg2mSyM/edit?usp=sharing

PMG APX SE x24

Subtonic Storm x18
Forte Ears Macbeth x17
Campfire Audio Trifecta x17
Oriolus Traillii JP x16
Elysian Acoustic Labs Annihilator x15
Fir Audio Radon 6 x13
Fir Audio Xenon 6 x12
Brise Fugaku x10


Elysian Acoustic Labs X x9
Aroma Audio Fei Wan x9
Noble Chronicle x7
Oriolus Traillii TI x7
64 Audio Fourte/Noir/Blanc x6
Alpha&Omega Omega x6
Dita Perpetua x6
PMG APX OG x5
Vision Ears EXT/Mkii x5

Empire Ears Odin x5
Noble Viking/Ragnar x5


Unique Melody Amber Pearl x4
Vision Ears VE10 x4
Vision Ears Erlkönig x4
Unique Melody Multiverse Mentor x4
Empire Ears Legend X x3

Campfire Audio Astrolith x3
Nostalgia Audio Camelot x3
AK/EE Novus x3

Empire Ears Raven x3
Fitear DC TI x3
Melodic Artification Alter Ego x2

Empire Ears Legend Eco x2
Penon Impact x2
Aroma Jewel x2
AME Mousa x2

Noble Onyx x2
Penon Rival x2
64 Audio Volur x2
Canpur CP622b x2


Vision Ears VE8
Noble Sultan
Vision Ears Phonix
Craft Ears Omnium
Noble Nodachi
Fir Audio Krypton 5
HS2000Max
FatFreq Grand Maestro
NG Audio Erebus
QDC Emperor
Vision Ears Elysium
Elysian Acoustic Dio
Campfire Audio Clara
VE/AK Aura

Unique Melody Maven II x19

64 Audio u/a12t x12
Sony IER-Z1R x11
Campfire Audio Bonneville x10

NightJar Acoustics Singularity x10

Sennheiser ie900 x9
Unique Melody MEST I/II/III x7
Campfire Audio Andromeda x5
Noble Spartacus x5
Penon Fan x4
Thieaudio Origin x4
Dita Project M x4
Campfire Audio Supermoon x4
Empire Ears Triton x4

64 Audio u4s x4

Noble Crescent x3
Campfire Audio Cascara x3
Campfire Audio Clara x3
FatFreq Deuce x3
Campfire Audio Fathom x3
Custom Art Fibae 5 x3
Oriolus Monachaa x3
Thieaudio Monarch 1/2/3 x3
Aur Audio Neon Pro x3
Elysian Pilgrim/Noir x3


QDC Superior EX x2
Final a8000 x2
Aur Audio Aur x2
Campfire Audio Black Star x2
Canpur CP54E x2
Symphonium Crimson x2
BGPV Phantom x2
Elysian Diva x2
Symphonium Europa x2
Oriolus Isabellae x2
634 Ears LOAK II x2
Mega5-EST x2
Letshouer S12 x2
Campfire Audio Solaris x2
Dunu SA6 x2
Oriveti Supremacy x2
QDC/Fitear Supremacy x2
Thieaudio V16 x2
Penon Voltage x2
Westone W60 x2
Westone W80 x2
64 Audio Solo x2
Thieaudio Prestive x2
FatFreq Maestro SE x2
Ice Labs Prismatica x2

122 Votes Cast-- thanks to everyone who participated!
If you add up both Trailli, or to some stretch, add up RN6 and XE6...
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 1:42 PM Post #97,991 of 101,486
Which DAC did you end up going with?

I hear you. The Rockna signature is on my short list but it's so much $$$
I haven’t decided just yet. But I need to demo one first. First on my list to hear is the DCS Lina. I’m looking at all options. The primary chain will be [new DAC] > Felix Euphoria Tube amp & Bakoon 13r SS amp > ZMF Caldera & Atrium Open
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 1:48 PM Post #97,993 of 101,486
I haven’t decided just yet. But I need to demo one first. First on my list to hear is the DCS Lina. I’m looking at all options. The primary chain will be [new DAC] > Felix Euphoria Tube amp & Bakoon 13r SS amp > ZMF Caldera & Atrium Open
I heard the DCS at CanJam and was impressed. It was the full stack. Had great synergy with the Abyss gear I was listening too. Curious how it would pair up with the ZMF headphones.
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 1:52 PM Post #97,994 of 101,486
I haven’t decided just yet. But I need to demo one first. First on my list to hear is the DCS Lina. I’m looking at all options. The primary chain will be [new DAC] > Felix Euphoria Tube amp & Bakoon 13r SS amp > ZMF Caldera & Atrium Open
What is the general consensus about DCS Lina without the master clock? It's been on my short list for ages now, but my favourite HI-Fi dealer says it's not that great without the master clock. I have heard it many times, but always with the master clock...
 
Nov 11, 2024 at 1:53 PM Post #97,995 of 101,486
Unique Melody Maven II x19prou
Absolutely awesome all-rounder and with right tips (Azala Orgins) has excellent impactful bass. A bargain at $1800 new/$1200s mint used. Proud to own 2 sets as its a limited production IEM.
 

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