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Sep 11, 2024 at 6:50 AM Post #95,146 of 99,470
Only just seen Westone have stopped offering custom fit in the USA and will sell universals only. I asked Westone EU and they said that the UK / Europe remains unaffected. Of course there remains lots of US based manufacturers doing customs

https://westoneaudio.com/customs-july-update/



I use short tips because for fit reasons. Remember that ear canals are individual so the correct answer is what fits you. These questions are about different sizes of the same tip. Westone sell a multi-pack of their tips for anyone unsure of sizing. I have not tried the Westone foam tips since 10 years ago so cannot comment (Westone EU tell me the performance foam is the same as the true fit foam but rebranded).
Which weston eartips are best for you? Star silicone shorts?
 
Sep 11, 2024 at 11:10 AM Post #95,147 of 99,470
So far seems every second person here is at least semi-basshead, almost half people checked poor timbre just because but nobody cares about upper mid dip that leads to it, and, oh man, where's the treblehead gang? Every new iem/amp/cable review for the last 2 or so years has a separate paragraph of how warm it sounds, c'mon
These lists are just lists. We also all interpret what to list a bit differently. For example, I don’t know about everyone else, but my reasoning was rather then checking off almost everything, just use:
- too little/poor quality bass to cover bass issues in general
- timbre to cover the mids and also the overall timbre, not only the mids
- too bright as I dislike a treble that is not realistic and too hot.

It’s a survey, not a design review. Hopefully I did not mess it up for everyone.
 
Sep 11, 2024 at 11:20 AM Post #95,148 of 99,470
So far seems every second person here is at least semi-basshead, almost half people checked poor timbre just because but nobody cares about upper mid dip that leads to it, and, oh man, where's the treblehead gang? Every new iem/amp/cable review for the last 2 or so years has a separate paragraph of how warm it sounds, c'mon

Audiophiles usually prefer warm highly detailed signatures for a few reasons; a warm sound is more similar to a live performance/natural sounding and it's much more difficult to pull off a warm highly detailed sound than it is a bright detailed sound. If you want a detailed sound you simply raise the high end but that that leads to a bright signature which many people don't like. Bright signatures are also difficult for many people to listen to for hours on end. You are the outlier not just here but in the entire audiophile community thats why there's less treble head IEMs, people don't like them; thin notes, less visceral, detailed created through brightness.
 
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Sep 11, 2024 at 11:43 AM Post #95,150 of 99,470
Doggo found a divinus velvet eartip XXXXXXXXXL. If anyone lost theirs in the park, PM me with park location to confirm ownership. L size for comparison.

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Sep 11, 2024 at 12:16 PM Post #95,151 of 99,470
Audiophiles usually prefer warm highly detailed signatures for a few reasons; a warm sound is more similar to a live performance/natural sounding and it's much more difficult to pull off a warm highly detailed sound than it is a bright detailed sound. If you want a detailed sound you simply raise the high end but that that leads to a bright signature which many people don't like. Bright signatures are also difficult for many people to listen to for hours on end. You are the outlier not just here but in the entire audiophile community thats why there's less treble head IEMs, people don't like them; thin notes, less visceral, detailed created through brightness.

People should distinguish between warm, cold and dark tuning.

Warmth lays between 100-300 khz when you have pronounced midbass plus some bass bleed into mids. Some people like it some people don't. That's why some users prefer IEMs with a noticeable midbass tuck (hello Moondrop Variations!) This tuning on the other hand do sound dry for "warmth lovers". A dark tuning from my definition is an IEM with a strong recession in the presence region @ 5 khz (hello Symphonium Meteor!) but that's just my humble perspective in an overly subjective hobby.
 
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Sep 11, 2024 at 12:36 PM Post #95,152 of 99,470
Preview of the results: Word cloud generated from the "desert island" IEM submissions. APX OG & SE as well as Traillii OG & TI numbers were combined.
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Sep 11, 2024 at 12:38 PM Post #95,153 of 99,470
Preview of the results: Word cloud generated from the "desert island" IEM submissions. APX OG & SE as well as Traillii OG & TI numbers were combined.

I'm sure its a coincidence that you made this and trifecta is rather larger and right in the middle? :thinking::smile:
 
Sep 11, 2024 at 12:40 PM Post #95,155 of 99,470
I'm sure its a coincidence that you made this and trifecta is rather larger and right in the middle? :thinking::smile:

Size is determined by number of votes, placement is random.
 
Sep 11, 2024 at 2:18 PM Post #95,157 of 99,470
Audiophiles usually prefer warm highly detailed signatures for a few reasons; a warm sound is more similar to a live performance/natural sounding and it's much more difficult to pull off a warm highly detailed sound than it is a bright detailed sound. If you want a detailed sound you simply raise the high end but that that leads to a bright signature which many people don't like. Bright signatures are also difficult for many people to listen to for hours on end. You are the outlier not just here but in the entire audiophile community thats why there's less treble head IEMs, people don't like them; thin notes, less visceral, detailed created through brightness.
I feel like listening volumes also come into play here.

I notice a lot of people tend to listen at higher volumes. I prefer brighter iems by virtue of not having to jack up the volume. Whereas with warmer iems I have to jack up the volume much higher than I like and even then.
 
Sep 11, 2024 at 2:47 PM Post #95,159 of 99,470
yup, warmer IEMs allow for louder listening, imagine not being able to turn it up!
In Europe, you don't need to imagine, government limits the volume for you on your DAP
 

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