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Nov 4, 2024 at 11:31 PM Post #4,561 of 5,866
The Master Track
  • “Havana Moonlight” by Spyro Gyra — For lovers of the sax, sink your teeth with a feast of Instrument separation, timbre, imaging and detail…don’t forget your favorite wine for an immersive time. Recommend checking out the rest of the album “Got the Magic”; perhaps the best I’ve listened to for jazz fusion.
The Next Four
  • “The Battle” by Hans Zimmer — Forget measurements. The crescendo (at the 8:05 mark) stress tests harmonic distortion in the fundamental frequencies like non other, begging me to find out how clean I can get with the confluence of brass instruments and the drums hitting my ear drums. No headphone setup I’ve tested has had zero hints of strain, few have come close to having the level of bass control like the HE-1.
  • “Be-Bop” by Richie Cole — You won’t know what great PRaT (Pace, Rhythm & Timing) is until you listen to this on a great system. Hey what can I say? I’m just a sucker for some good fast jazz.
  • Piano Concerto No. 1 by Tchaikovsky, perf. Van Cliburn, Reiner/Kondrashin/RCA — Anytime I’m comparing DACs, this is the track that I notice the most difference in terms of decay and soundstage.
  • “Wannabe” by ITZY — Not a fan of Kpop, but this was suggested by a friend. It’s a track that has a lot happening offering a great test for extension in bass & treble, layering, and midrange clarity.
Bonus Track
  • "Bewitched" by Laufey — Delicately sublime female vocals. Anything from her is just pure magic.
 
Nov 4, 2024 at 11:42 PM Post #4,562 of 5,866
Well I’m in the process of selling off all of my Sennheiser’s (HD580/58X/600/650) with the exception of the HD490 Pro as it somewhat of a unique flavour…but yeah that should tell you something - coming from a huge 6 series fan:)
Other than the 5k peak which I know you did not appreciate, how would you compare them to the Atrium from memory?
 
Nov 5, 2024 at 1:25 AM Post #4,563 of 5,866
Last evening at CanJam, we gathered after dinner at the hotel lobby where chat and laughter ensued. At some point we got back to audio and I lobbied a question that elicited some fun replies, We all agreed we should port this question over here to the thread, so here goes…

If you could choose only 1 test track to use to demo gear, which would it be?

If you could choose 5 test tracks, which would they be?


My replies:

My current go-to single track is:
  • Blind-Hearted” by Sara K. — The track opens with a very low frequency bowed double-bass that I find can only be reproduced well on the best systems (and, when done well, can be an utterly exquisite moment of acoustic reproduction). It is also a great vocal track, which I like quite a lot, and great for testing female vocals. This recording was made by Stockfish Records in Germany, which has made several fantastic acoustic recordings.
If I currently chose 5 test tracks to test, those would be:
  • Blind-Hearted” by Sara K. (see above)
  • Judas Maccabaeus, HWV 63: Part III- See, the conqu'ring hero comes!” by Oscar Motet’s Choir — The entire album of “Cantate Domino” is an incredible recording made in 1976 at Oscarskyrkan (Oscar’s Church) in Stockholm, Sweden. A marvelous choir, an organ, and trumpet, showcasing classical and holiday tunes. This specific track (the 4th of the album) features the choir singing a cappella, and the acoustic chamber of the church hall in which this was recorded is wonderful for getting a sense of spacial reproduction.
  • New Oldie” by Eric Bellinger and Snoop Dogg — I find this track great for testing frequency extension for treble as there are high frequency instrumental notes at the start of it that can reveal the quality of treble and air when well resolved. Then, after a few seconds, the drum beat kicks in like a mule and offers a great test for low bass quantity and dynamics.
  • Trying to Figure It Out” by Grace Kelly — I’ve recently been using this track by this talented composer, saxophonist, and singer to gauge timbral accuracy. This track showcases both her beautiful sax playing as well as vocals.
  • Now That The Summer’s Here” by Michael Franks — I love using this track to capture the sparkling instruments at the start of the track, which occasionally reappear. These high notes move from right to left channel occasionally and it’s also interesting to see how organically this happens. I also like the sense of space in this recording.
This isn’t a permanent list; rather, it keeps changing from CanJam to CanJam and as new tracks pop into my consciousness. But, at this moment, on this weekend, these were my go-to’s to get a quick sense of gear and calibrate myself.

What are yours?
1. "Who Knows Where The Time Goes" sung by Sandy Denny with Fairport Convention. An old but surprisingly well-recorded track, and the purest of female vocals. Her voice really soars, but can be sibilance prone with the wrong gear. There is also some oh-so tasteful guitar with great tone and a bit of bite from Richard Thompson, propulsive bass and an array of drum sounds to evaluate, which all layer beautifully with the right gear. Not to mention a "timelessly" gorgeous and emotionally moving song.
2. "Blue Rondo à la Turk" by Dave Brubeck quartet has it all: sax, piano, bass and drums with the latter hitting hard in several places for visceral impact assessment.
3. "All Blues" by Miles Davis features incredible trumpet (Miles!) and sax (Cannonball and Coltrane!), Bill Evan's peerless piano backing, subtly tuneful bass, and splendid drum fills. The best part of the recording is the way the instruments are re-created in space, each from their own distinct position but layered cohesively and convincingly like the listener was in a jazz club or studio.
4. "Dreams" by Fleetwood Mac is a cliché but for good reason. The opening bass thump is magnificent and the percussion that follows carries a trailing decay that lingers on good gear, and of course Stevie Nick's vocals have a unique raspy richness that never gets old. There are some subtle guitar and backing vocal details enhancing it all...a good test track for bass but also detail retrieval.
5. "Spanish Harlem" by Rebecca Pidgeon is another great female vocal track with diverse and wonderful instrumentation. When the violon comes in so well-positioned in the sound field I always get a thrill.

Honorable mention x 2: "Bourée" by Jethro Tull (Steven Wilson remix) for that irresistible opening bass line, tactile drumming, spectacular rhythm guitar in the right channel and of course Ian's flute, and "Hey Nineteen" by Steely Dan with it's sinuous bass, guitar and keyboard / synth. fills and especially that blended vocal chorus across the entire soundstage ("No we got nothin' in common..."), both poignant and ethereal-sounding.

Now, don't even get me started on my preferred genre of classical. I am always rotating through test tracks, usually Bach or Mozart on piano, a string quartet or two, and some orchestral works. If gear can reproduce classical piano, from the gravitas of the left hand lower registers to the sweet euphony of mids and the singing / ringing upper registers of the right hand...well, look out wallet. :)
 
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Nov 5, 2024 at 3:47 AM Post #4,564 of 5,866
I visited Danny from RAAL and asked about the SAEQ Armageddon. Apparently, he didn’t like how this amp sounded and doesn’t carry it. Danny said he measured it and found it had a lot of high order uneven harmonics. He passed the feedback to the developer and looks like he biased its transistor voltage too low but didn’t want to fix it. Instead, the amp itself is being discontinued and a new model is expected next year.
Dear Sirs, I thank you for these comments because you help me find out some things about my company that I don't know about. I would also like to know one manufacturer that would like to stop selling their best-selling model. Shout out to Danny our recent rep as he probably isn't keeping up with Armageddon and the latest Armageddon test at 6MOONS. About tastes and sounds I really wouldn't.The news is a complete spin and absolutely does not correspond to the factual situation. In case you want to know that it is a spin, I will send you pictures of the current production that is ongoing and will continue. I think this kind of communication can be harmful and it is probably designed as such to be harmful. So much... cheers.
 
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Nov 5, 2024 at 3:56 AM Post #4,565 of 5,866
Other than the 5k peak which I know you did not appreciate, how would you compare them to the Atrium from memory?
From memory the Atrium is both warmer and brighter than the Sierra. Whereas the Sierra is a natural sounding headphone that is elegantly balanced up through the frequency response, the Atrium has more meat on it’s bones, especially in the low mids. That 5k peak though adds a good deal of brightness and ‘detail’ to the Atrium’s overall v-shaped signature. Uppermids on both are just delightful IIRC.
I’ve seen many compare the Atrium with the Sennheiser 6 series, but I feel that it sounds more like a Beyerdynamic DT1990 Pro tbh, only the treble peak is located further down in the presentation over the ZMF.
The bass of the Sierra is more subbass focused, unlike the Atrium that rolls off like most dynamic driver openbacks. That is the Sierra’s partytrick though - bringing the subbass like you only ever experience over closedbacks..but in an open design.
From memory the Atrium is not at all a hard drive, amp-wise, similar to the Sennheiser HD600/650 whereas the Sierra is up there with my HE500. Always surprises me how much I need to turn up the volume.

In short: Sierra is like an upgrade for the classic Sennheiser crowd - folks who are into a linear presentation, whereas the Atrium is more of a luxury v-shaped flavour catering to listener’s who prefer a lot of sparkle with their warmth.
 
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Nov 5, 2024 at 6:42 AM Post #4,567 of 5,866
The SAEQ Armageddon is another overly hyped amp? Seems so based on the above information.
I would understand some of the comments if someone listened to it with the Imanis and made a comment. I really don't find the way you did it with Bold text from Golwerger to be well-intentioned. I don't consider it correct not to hear the amplifier and to write such a comment. That remains on your conscience. Obviously the bolding is no accident.
 
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Nov 5, 2024 at 7:16 AM Post #4,568 of 5,866
I visited Danny from RAAL and asked about the SAEQ Armageddon. Apparently, he didn’t like how this amp sounded and doesn’t carry it. Danny said he measured it and found it had a lot of high order uneven harmonics. He passed the feedback to the developer and looks like he biased its transistor voltage too low but didn’t want to fix it. Instead, the amp itself is being discontinued and a new model is expected next year.
If you visit Danny’s new Requisite Audio website you’ll see no reference to either of the Raal-Requisite amplifiers from SAEQ or Solaja (VM-1a). Instead you’ll see that Danny is now linked to Feliks and Viva amplifiers and of course the Raal 1995 Immanis and Magna. And now we have interesting comments from Dragan regarding the ‘factual accuracy’ of the information about Armageddon. I must admit I was surprised when you wrote it’s being discontinued because it was only released earlier this year shortly after Immanis and Magna and was very popular at the Singapore CanJam.
 
Nov 5, 2024 at 8:12 AM Post #4,569 of 5,866
  • “Be-Bop” by Richie Cole — You won’t know what great PRaT (Pace, Rhythm & Timing) is until you listen to this on a great system. Hey what can I say? I’m just a sucker for some good fast jazz.
This reminded me of the The Seatbelts who did a lot of the soundtrack for the Cowboy Bebop animated series. I'm not a jazz aficionado but the music worked well with the show's sci-fi, action/bounty hunter theme.

 
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Nov 5, 2024 at 9:10 AM Post #4,570 of 5,866
I think this kind of communication can be harmful and it is probably designed as such to be harmful.

It is not meant to be harmful, if it came across as such then I apologize.

It is not designed to be harmful. I take issue with this comment.

I shared what I was told. I recommend you take it privately offline with Danny.

As I never owned or heard any of your amps, I have no opinion about them. I’m sure they are great. I hope to try them one day if they ever make it to CanJams or to a US dealer near me. Wishing you success in your journey.
 
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Nov 5, 2024 at 9:17 AM Post #4,571 of 5,866
Last evening at CanJam, we gathered after dinner at the hotel lobby where chat and laughter ensued. At some point we got back to audio and I lobbied a question that elicited some fun replies, We all agreed we should port this question over here to the thread, so here goes…

If you could choose only 1 test track to use to demo gear, which would it be?

If you could choose 5 test tracks, which would they be?


My replies:

My current go-to single track is:
  • Blind-Hearted” by Sara K. — The track opens with a very low frequency bowed double-bass that I find can only be reproduced well on the best systems (and, when done well, can be an utterly exquisite moment of acoustic reproduction). It is also a great vocal track, which I like quite a lot, and great for testing female vocals. This recording was made by Stockfish Records in Germany, which has made several fantastic acoustic recordings.
If I currently chose 5 test tracks to test, those would be:
  • Blind-Hearted” by Sara K. (see above)
  • Judas Maccabaeus, HWV 63: Part III- See, the conqu'ring hero comes!” by Oscar Motet’s Choir — The entire album of “Cantate Domino” is an incredible recording made in 1976 at Oscarskyrkan (Oscar’s Church) in Stockholm, Sweden. A marvelous choir, an organ, and trumpet, showcasing classical and holiday tunes. This specific track (the 4th of the album) features the choir singing a cappella, and the acoustic chamber of the church hall in which this was recorded is wonderful for getting a sense of spacial reproduction.
  • New Oldie” by Eric Bellinger and Snoop Dogg — I find this track great for testing frequency extension for treble as there are high frequency instrumental notes at the start of it that can reveal the quality of treble and air when well resolved. Then, after a few seconds, the drum beat kicks in like a mule and offers a great test for low bass quantity and dynamics.
  • Trying to Figure It Out” by Grace Kelly — I’ve recently been using this track by this talented composer, saxophonist, and singer to gauge timbral accuracy. This track showcases both her beautiful sax playing as well as vocals.
  • Now That The Summer’s Here” by Michael Franks — I love using this track to capture the sparkling instruments at the start of the track, which occasionally reappear. These high notes move from right to left channel occasionally and it’s also interesting to see how organically this happens. I also like the sense of space in this recording.
This isn’t a permanent list; rather, it keeps changing from CanJam to CanJam and as new tracks pop into my consciousness. But, at this moment, on this weekend, these were my go-to’s to get a quick sense of gear and calibrate myself.

What are yours?
This is fun.

I auditioned the HE-1 to Taylor Swift, Love Story ..... and often add Let it Go, Idina Menzel to my audition list. Only because I know it so well. Blame the children.

Hans Zimmer: Inception, Time. Dark Knight.

Rush Over Me (acoustic version). Haliene. The initial opening will tell me very quickly if there is sibilance in the treble.

Piano Guys: Perfect. A simple piano track with some heavy chords in the middle. Which I use to discern the layering/transparency as well as piano timbre. With technically excellent headphones, I hear each individual note in a chord.
 
Nov 5, 2024 at 10:28 AM Post #4,572 of 5,866
It is not meant to be harmful, if it came across as such then I apologize.

It is not designed to be harmful. I take issue with this comment.

I shared what I was told. I recommend you take it privately offline with Danny.

As I never owned or heard any of your amps, I have no opinion about them. I’m sure they are great. I hope to try them one day if they ever make it to CanJams or to a US dealer near me. Wishing you success in your journey.
I wonder if the ink has even dried on all the paperwork from the DCS review imbroglio...? :thinking:
 
Nov 5, 2024 at 10:56 AM Post #4,573 of 5,866
I would understand some of the comments if someone listened to it with the Imanis and made a comment. I really don't find the way you did it with Bold text from Golwerger to be well-intentioned. I don't consider it correct not to hear the amplifier and to write such a comment. That remains on your conscience. Obviously the bolding is no accident.
You're probably reading into something that's not there. This is a public forum after all, and at the end of the day people can say whatever they want to, positive and negative opinions included. Don't become like that guy from hifiman who got all defensive over simple discussion of products and started blasting at forum members over nothing. If you have more info to add or stuff to clarify, then all you have to do is post it. No reason to start guessing at nefarious intentions or accusing people of being disingenuous.
 
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Nov 5, 2024 at 11:17 AM Post #4,575 of 5,866
I would understand some of the comments if someone listened to it with the Imanis and made a comment. I really don't find the way you did it with Bold text from Golwerger to be well-intentioned. I don't consider it correct not to hear the amplifier and to write such a comment. That remains on your conscience. Obviously the bolding is no accident.
This is a forum where we share our thoughts freely. A less than positive opinion was posted and I shared what entered my mind. It was not a review and I used a question mark (?) as the answer is unknown at this point. I hope your product proves to be good and if at CanJam NY I would be honored to audition it.

Would you like to provide an Armageddon for a formal review? I would be happy to provide my own opinion and can have others audition it as well.
 

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