[Dsnuts]

Fantastic! How do the EBC80’s mids compare to those of Rival and Voltage? Especially since it seems like there are folks who wish that Rival had a touch more mids (which I suppose can be achieved with a filter swop on the Rival, but not the EBC).

And if there’s any basis for comparison with Fan 3, Quattro, Serial or 10th AE, I would be interested too, and I’m sure other folks would be as well.

Excited for the EBC at any rate!

I am going back n forth from the EBC80 vs the Voltage using their stock cables. I gotta say. There is a definite family resemblance for sonics between these. I posted some impressions recently of the EBC80 and I pointed out as the EBC80 is a direct upgrade on the very popular ISN H60. Well so is the Voltage. Infact way before the EBC80 existed the more refined version of the H60 is and still is the Voltage. This being said, so in a way the EBC80 is a bit like adding them Sonion Bone conduction drivers to the sound of the Voltage. OK so its not exactly that but I think you might understand what I am getting at.

I think if Penon made a new Voltage MK2 with BC drivers It would be an upgraded EBC80 and come even closer to the Rival sound. The BC drivers brings a big spacious dimensional stage to the EBC80 sound presentation that is not really apparent on the Voltage. However, it isn't like the Voltage sound is somehow confined or even an average sound stage for IEMS. I would still consider it wide for IEMs but adding BC drivers does a job in how sound imaging works on the EBC80. The sound balancing is quite similar between these models. The ISN H60, Voltage and the EBC80. I would say the mids have the most density and fullness to the sound presentation on the Voltage but where the EBC80 separates itself is that it gets better perceived distinction in its layering due the BC drivers. I would actually consider the EBC80 on the level of the Voltage for sheer SQ and I know for a fact when you upgrade the cable on the Voltage it will show better sound separation and layering in turn.

I have already tried the EBC80 with the Totem and it goes into a different level with the Totems. I think for folks that love a well balanced sound signature but fully enhanced with BC drivers. The EBC80 will be a very popular IEM. Bass quantity is very similar to the Voltage with bass switch on. Its trebles with switch on has a slight edge over the EBC80 trebles but not a huge margin of difference in treble quality there. The big difference is what them Bone Conduction drivers does for that sound presentation overall, giving it an atmosphere to the sound, standard IEMs just does not have.

Compared to the Fan3. It's just an entirely different level of IEM in comparison. I like the Sonion BC drivers more so than the flat dish style BC drivers used in the Fan3. I can tell the quality of the drivers and what they do for your sound is on a different level. I think for what the BC drivers does for the Fan3 is fantastic for the price level and your certainly getting a good taste of what BC drivers does for sound but a much higher level of BC driven IEM are IEMS like the Shocks and the EBC80.

In a way I like that the Shocks exist because those are the fun version of this sound. And I never understood where they fit in the scheme of things but yes. A bassy hybrid with adjustable dials done extremely well using Sonion BC drivers is never a bad thing. The EBC80 is more audiophile leaning more Penon than ISN. Lol. It turned out fantastic.

 

[Echalon]

New TSMR X colour? Official post on the Penon FB page.

 

[Prag]

Isn’t it a coax?


Edit: It is, Litz type 9, so all three leads per side is both + and -

Can someone of knowledge tell me if the penon globe are worth it please

 

[Erkil]

Can someone of knowledge tell me if the penon globe are worth it please

Oh, that is a difficult question. I liked Globe, and of course some love it and som don’t. Maybe if you mention some IEM’s you like? And what music you listen too?

 

[Prag]

Oh, that is a difficult question. I liked Globe, and of course some love it and som don’t. Maybe if you mention some IEM’s you like? And what music you listen too?

I ONLY HAVE ONE IEM , The 7hz zero two, i like them like a good 6.5/10. I like jazz, bolero, metal and might hit on some hiphop every once a while

 

[Dsnuts]

Reposted from the ISN thread. But I feel it applies to here as well.

When you choose a cable on the upcoming EBC80. You will get the option to choose between 3 of these ISN cables on the ordering page. My post here will help folks choose wisely with the type of sound they are aiming for when purchasing the ISN EBC80. I went from one cable to another then to the other to compare these on the EBC80. To be honest all 3 sound fantastic on the EBC80.

Bass, you want the most impact and focus on the warmth detail of its outstanding bass, natural full bodied mids character while retaining a slightly smoother treble presentation overall. That would be the ISN C2. Its a pure 6N OCC copper cable and has no silver plating like the other two cables. If your main source you use is more of a neutral bright presentation in tonal character. You should get the ISN C2 to match up with the ISN EBC80.

The middle ground of these 3 cables is the H2 as it has half the S2 cores and the other half of the C2 pure copper properties.
The H2 has slightly cleaner presentation from the C2 but it mostly retains the dynamics enhancing qualities of the C2 cable while having just a sliver extra better clarity on the EBC80 vs the C2 cable. If you can't choose between wanting the full bass vs the technical enhancing and clarity of the ISN S2. I would choose the ISN H2 as it is literaly the middle ground between the C2 and the S2.

ISN S2
It easily will bring the cleanest tonal character out of the 3 cables._ not to be confused with bright. The S2 does not have enough pure silver material to make them purposfully bright. This being said. The Copper material on the C2, H2 and the S2 is a higher end 6N OCC and is comparable to UPOCC in quality. Adding a pure silver plating over the cores brings the OCC material to a higher level of clarity and enhances the detail level of the EBC80. The biggest difference between the cables comes from when you compare the C2 vs the S2 as your going from a pure copper presentation to a silver plated one. For folks that are detail freaks and want the most transparent version of these 3 cables that is where the S2 will be at an advantage. If your using a warmer source. IFI signature, IBasso DX300Max, Shanling M6 variants. Fiio M15S for example. The S2 will match well.
The S2 brings out the full BA+ 2xEST implementation for its treble performance. Its not that the other two are somehow gimping the trebles here. Its just that he S2 enhances that area with highlighted detail while the C2 is the opposite or bass enhanced in emphasis. Choose accordingly

Truth is for an included cable these cables are an excellent throw in and matches well with the Sonics of the EBC80. They are leaps ahead of your standard throw in cables. Not only do they match color wise but they match sonically as well. How you want to match cable performance with the EBC80 as its tonal character is more neutral leaning vs leaning warm or cool wise for tonality. So you can tip the sonic flavor toward which side of the fence you want your EBC80 to be enhanced. The smooth natural slightly warmer in the C2 to a more clean, clear more detailed and airy side in the S2 or somewhere in between in the H2. You really cant loose with any of these cables.

 

[DrewVz]

I'm guessing EBC80 will be $750-850. Hopefully it'll be available before Christmas.

Bit the bullet and grabbed a Shock for the 11.11 sale. Will see how it performs.

 

[Saraugie]

Dsnuts, which website will be selling the EBC80? Penon's or ISN's?

 

[Dsnuts]

Dsnuts, which website will be selling the EBC80? Penon's or ISN's?

Penonaudio.com. Not released quite yet. Will be any day now.

 

[WB79]

Continuation and end of my adventures with Penon. After more than 30 emails the after-sales service agreed to reimburse me.But for that they ask me to cut the cable into pieces. I would have lost 13 euros in taxes in this case. Never again penon for me anyway

 

[-rowan-]

Continuation and end of my adventures with Penon. After more than 30 emails the after-sales service agreed to reimburse me.But for that they ask me to cut the cable into pieces. I would have lost 13 euros in taxes in this case. Never again penon for me anyway

That looks like a bunch of interconnects waiting to be made.

Sorry to hear it took so many emails for it to end like that for you.

 

[Redcarmoose]

Ground adapter for Sony NW-WM1A/NW-WM1Z/WM1AM2/WM1ZM2

There have been 4.4mm adaptors added to the grounding ability of the 1A and 1Z 3.5mm plug for ages, this is nothing new.
Though I haven't tried any of them, people have noted sound quality differences due to the 3.5mm ground locking the 4.4mm signal in. The difference here, and what a difference is the introduction of Totem material. Yep, take something like the ASOS+X and add the heft and weight to an all BA IEM display and there is a huge Totem difference. While sure anyone can simply get the Totem adapter addition as a way to add Totem magic to your other DAPs, but here the Totem really adds a deeper meaning to the music. To be honest I have not spent all that much time with the system, and you would think simply unplugging the 3.5mm cable while the music was playing would give you a noticeable instant difference, but no either my hearing is not good enough, or I just need to spend more time with it. What is a big deal though is the addition of the Totem cable extra as an add-on to the ASOS+X with both my past TOTL Nobel Audio 10BA Encore Universal IEM and the Night Oblivion Butastur 10BA Universal IEM. I have more than 100s and 100s of hours listening to the Noble Audio Encore and this Totem extra heft and warmness is real. Plus the ASOS+X is my cable of choice for the Night Oblivion Butastur and the Totem add-on is dialing it in just that much more. What the Totem does is add Palladium, Gold, Cooper and Silver into a harmonious mixture that originally costed a whopping $799.00 to get into! Since then Penon has redesigned the plug system to make it modular with fewer parts, hence now the regular modular Totem is $699.00. Yet all this is totally worth the price of admission, being the Totem is by far the nicest and most resolving cable I have ever heard. I still have memories of certain sound files when used with the K10 Encore, and any time I want I can go and revisit that special place. It is a Totem/Encore synergy where bass notes are both coming from a clearer background of solid blackness and a window into the texture of notes is irreplaceable....................except with the Totem/Encore combo!

Now sure this adapter grounding system is not the Totem cable, but with my set-up I am truly hearing the effects of what (extra) has been put in place. The effects as a wider stage and inside that stage images seem to carry an extra level of thickness, maybe call it warmth, but is it more than simple warmth? It should be noted the system can come with a plug instead of a female 4.4mm receptacle. As such this offers grounding when using the WM1A/WM1Z as a source to an amplifier.

Spoiler: Grounding System

Penon Totem 4.4mm Balanced Male/Female to 3.5m Audio Male & 3.5/2.5mm/4.4mm Ground Interconnect Wire 3-in-1 Modular Adapter Cable

Description

This adapter allows you to use the ground of 4.4mm/3.5mm balanced for shielding effect.

3-in-1 design with 3.5/2.5/4.4mm detachable modular plugs

Integrated grounding design promotes reliability and safety

Ground adapter for Sony NW-WM1A/NW-WM1Z/WM1AM2/WM1ZM2

The modular plug part is ground only (L, R) not connected. This product can' be connected with a 3.5mm plug alone

Specification

2 shares, 334 cores per share

Single crystal copper silver-plated Litz type6 & Palladium-plated pure silver & Single crystal copper plated with pure gold

Outer diameter:2.5mm

Carbon fiber plug shell

Gold-plated plug

Cable length: about 10cm(without plug)

Package

Penon Totem 4.4mm ground cable

4.4mm Balanced plug

2.5mm Balanced plug

3.5mm Audio plug

Sony WM1A with MrWalkman's firmware, the Penon ASOS+X and the Penon Totem Grounding System with the new PAC LStips and Night Oblivion Butastur Universal IEM.

Sony WM1A with MrWalkman's firmware, the Penon ASOS+X and the Penon Totem Grounding System with the new PAC LStips and Noble Encore Universal IEM.

 

[wolfstar76]

Ground adapter for Sony NW-WM1A/NW-WM1Z/WM1AM2/WM1ZM2

There have been 4.4mm adaptors added to the grounding ability of the 1A and 1Z 3.5mm plug for ages, this is nothing new.
Though I haven't tried any of them, people have noted sound quality differences due to the 3.5mm ground locking the 4.4mm signal in. The difference here, and what a difference is the introduction of Totem material. Yep, take something like the ASOS+X and add the heft and weight to an all BA IEM display and there is a huge Totem difference. While sure anyone can simply get the Totem adapter addition as a way to add Totem magic to you other DAPs, but here the Totem really adds a deeper meaning to the music. To be honest I have not spent all that much time with the system, and you would think simply unplugging the 3.5mm cable while the music was playing would give you a noticeable instant difference, but no either my hearing is not good enough, or I just need to spend more time with it. What is a big deal though is the addition of the Totem cable extra as an add-on to the ASOS+X with both my past TOTL Nobel Audio 10BA Encore Universal IEM and the Night Oblivion Butastur 10BA Universal IEM. I have more than 100s and 100s of hours listening to the Noble Audio Encore and this Totem extra heft and warmness is real. Plus the ASOS+X is my cable of choice for the Night Oblivion Butastur and the Totem add-on is dialing it in just that much more. What the Totem does is add Palladium, Gold, Cooper and Silver into a harmonious mixture that originally costed a whopping $799.00 to get into! Since then Penon has redesigned the plug system to make it modular with fewer parts, hence now the regular modular Totem is $699.00. Yet all this is totally worth the price of admission, being the Totem is by far the nicest and most resolving cable I have ever heard. I still have memories of certain sound files when used with the K10 Encore, and any time I want I can go and revisit that special place. It is a Totem/Encore synergy where bass notes are both coming from a clearer background of solid blackness and a window into the texture of notes is irreplaceable....................except with the Totem/Encore combo!

Now sure this adapter grounding system is not the Totem cable, but with my set-up I am truly hearing the effects of what (extra) has been put in place. The effects as a wider stage and inside that stage images seem to carry an extra level of thickness, maybe call it warmth, but is it more than simple warmth? It should be noted the system can come with a plug instead of a female 4.4mm receptacle. As such this offers grounding when using the WM1A/WM1Z as a source to an amplifier.

Spoiler: Grounding System

Penon Totem 4.4mm Balanced Male/Female to 3.5m Audio Male & 3.5/2.5mm/4.4mm Ground Interconnect Wire 3-in-1 Modular Adapter Cable

Description

This adapter allows you to use the ground of 4.4mm/3.5mm balanced for shielding effect.

3-in-1 design with 3.5/2.5/4.4mm detachable modular plugs

Integrated grounding design promotes reliability and safety

Ground adapter for Sony NW-WM1A/NW-WM1Z/WM1AM2/WM1ZM2

The modular plug part is ground only (L, R) not connected. This product can' be connected with a 3.5mm plug alone

Specification

2 shares, 334 cores per share

Single crystal copper silver-plated Litz type6 & Palladium-plated pure silver & Single crystal copper plated with pure gold

Outer diameter:2.5mm

Carbon fiber plug shell

Gold-plated plug

Cable length: about 10cm(without plug)

Package

Penon Totem 4.4mm ground cable

4.4mm Balanced plug

2.5mm Balanced plug

3.5mm Audio plug

Sony WM1A with MrWalkman's firmware, the Penon ASOS+X and the Penon Totem Grounding System with the new PAC LStips and Night Oblivion Butastur Universal IEM.

Sony WM1A with MrWalkman's firmware, the Penon ASOS+X and the Penon Totem Grounding System with the new PAC LStips and Noble Encore Universal IEM.

Do I need this?

 

[DrewVz]

Do I need this?

Totem adapters are legit. Not miracle workers, but they definitely make an audible improvement.

 

[wolfstar76]

e workers, but they definitely make an audible impro

Ground adapter for Sony NW-WM1A/NW-WM1Z/WM1AM2/WM1ZM2

There have been 4.4mm adaptors added to the grounding ability of the 1A and 1Z 3.5mm plug for ages, this is nothing new.
Though I haven't tried any of them, people have noted sound quality differences due to the 3.5mm ground locking the 4.4mm signal in. The difference here, and what a difference is the introduction of Totem material. Yep, take something like the ASOS+X and add the heft and weight to an all BA IEM display and there is a huge Totem difference. While sure anyone can simply get the Totem adapter addition as a way to add Totem magic to you other DAPs, but here the Totem really adds a deeper meaning to the music. To be honest I have not spent all that much time with the system, and you would think simply unplugging the 3.5mm cable while the music was playing would give you a noticeable instant difference, but no either my hearing is not good enough, or I just need to spend more time with it. What is a big deal though is the addition of the Totem cable extra as an add-on to the ASOS+X with both my past TOTL Nobel Audio 10BA Encore Universal IEM and the Night Oblivion Butastur 10BA Universal IEM. I have more than 100s and 100s of hours listening to the Noble Audio Encore and this Totem extra heft and warmness is real. Plus the ASOS+X is my cable of choice for the Night Oblivion Butastur and the Totem add-on is dialing it in just that much more. What the Totem does is add Palladium, Gold, Cooper and Silver into a harmonious mixture that originally costed a whopping $799.00 to get into! Since then Penon has redesigned the plug system to make it modular with fewer parts, hence now the regular modular Totem is $699.00. Yet all this is totally worth the price of admission, being the Totem is by far the nicest and most resolving cable I have ever heard. I still have memories of certain sound files when used with the K10 Encore, and any time I want I can go and revisit that special place. It is a Totem/Encore synergy where bass notes are both coming from a clearer background of solid blackness and a window into the texture of notes is irreplaceable....................except with the Totem/Encore combo!

Now sure this adapter grounding system is not the Totem cable, but with my set-up I am truly hearing the effects of what (extra) has been put in place. The effects as a wider stage and inside that stage images seem to carry an extra level of thickness, maybe call it warmth, but is it more than simple warmth? It should be noted the system can come with a plug instead of a female 4.4mm receptacle. As such this offers grounding when using the WM1A/WM1Z as a source to an amplifier.

Spoiler: Grounding System

Penon Totem 4.4mm Balanced Male/Female to 3.5m Audio Male & 3.5/2.5mm/4.4mm Ground Interconnect Wire 3-in-1 Modular Adapter Cable

Description

This adapter allows you to use the ground of 4.4mm/3.5mm balanced for shielding effect.

3-in-1 design with 3.5/2.5/4.4mm detachable modular plugs

Integrated grounding design promotes reliability and safety

Ground adapter for Sony NW-WM1A/NW-WM1Z/WM1AM2/WM1ZM2

The modular plug part is ground only (L, R) not connected. This product can' be connected with a 3.5mm plug alone

Specification

2 shares, 334 cores per share

Single crystal copper silver-plated Litz type6 & Palladium-plated pure silver & Single crystal copper plated with pure gold

Outer diameter:2.5mm

Carbon fiber plug shell

Gold-plated plug

Cable length: about 10cm(without plug)

Package

Penon Totem 4.4mm ground cable

4.4mm Balanced plug

2.5mm Balanced plug

3.5mm Audio plug

Sony WM1A with MrWalkman's firmware, the Penon ASOS+X and the Penon Totem Grounding System with the new PAC LStips and Night Oblivion Butastur Universal IEM.

Sony WM1A with MrWalkman's firmware, the Penon ASOS+X and the Penon Totem Grounding System with the new PAC LStips and Noble Encore Universal IEM.

BTW, if you added the comparison between this and ddHiFi’s DJ44S M1 in your review, it would be much better and convicting.