[PeteSTRADAMUS]

From my avatar picture, you can tell I love me my Z1R's since I received them back in February of this year. The clean bass is my favorite part.

 

[Sonic Defender]

From my avatar picture, you can tell I love me my Z1R's since I received them back in February of this year. The clean bass is my favorite part.

The smoke will make the bass dirty

 

[Martin79]

Hd 800 = 6khz peak = hall of fame

 

[Martin79]

Hd 800S = distortion on bass = hall of fame

 

[sarinfuhrer]

I'm going to say you are being sarcastic there.

No, you cant tell the whole sound of a headphone based on the measurements. But they are important.

Sorry to sound like one.
btw, yes, @thatonenoob was correct. it's wrong graph. its utopia's. neither look good. but both sonically are excellent.

 

[spwath]

Sorry to sound like one.
btw, yes, @thatonenoob was correct. it's wrong graph. its utopia's. neither look good. but both sonically are excellent.

I wasn't saying the mdr-z1r sound bad,I liked them. I was just saying tyll's measurements are not wrong.

 

[Makiah S]

Each reviewer has their preference an tolerances, but what I don't like how here at head-fi were pointing at our competitor as being "in-consistent" I'm really happy to have the measurements from both Jude and Tyll, though I would have enjoyed Jude's more if not for him openly putting Tyll and all the others who measure gear down. Worst of all this post is on the FRONT of OUR community!

Why not just share what you guys measured with us, make a small comment on the differences that you found while doing your measurements and leave it at that. Differences, why did this need to become an issue of "consistency" why do we need to compare? Why do are we working to discredit our competitor?

 

[anetode]

The 10khz peak is not an uncommon feature in Tyll's measurements. It could be an artifact inherent in the specific pinnae/mic arrangement installed in his measurement head, as Head Acoustics offers a few different versions. Also, as others have mentioned, the top octave is notoriously sensitive to headphone measurement approaches, and shouldn't necessarily be thought of as definitive in any one rig.

 

[jude]

Each reviewer has their preference an tolerances, but what I don't like how here at head-fi were pointing at our competitor as being "in-consistent" I'm really happy to have the measurements from both Jude and Tyll, though I would have enjoyed Jude's more if not for him openly putting Tyll and all the others who measure gear down. Worst of all this post is on the FRONT of OUR community!...

Putting Tyll and all the others who measure gear down? Quote where I do this, as that's not what I've done. As for the word "inconsistent," what I said was:

...InnerFidelity's review and measurements of the Sony MDR-Z1R were not consistent with our experiences with that headphone, so we measured two MDR-Z1R's at Head-Fi HQ, and here's what we found.

...Now this description does not match what I have heard, and I've heard a few Sony MDR-Z1R's. I've also measured our Sony MDR-Z1R and it also isn't consistent with that subjective impression or the measurements that Tyll posted....

What did I say about a conclusion from all this?

...What's our conclusion? Right now, we'll assume that perhaps Tyll has an outlier Sony MDR-Z1R. n=3 across two different measurement setups isn't enough to come to a conclusion...

So tell me where I've put down Tyll and all the others who measure gear. That's an absurd interpretation, and nowhere was that said or implied by me.

...Why not just share what you guys measured with us, make a small comment on the differences that you found while doing your measurements and leave it at that. Differences, why did this need to become an issue of "consistency" why do we need to compare? Why do are we working to discredit our competitor?

We did share some information about what we measured with. I did comment on the differences we found while doing our measurements. Our results are not consistent with Tyll's, and that was also said. Nothing I've said discredits Tyll.

 

[Tyll Hertsens]

Hiya Jude,

Here's my response: https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/head-fi-contradicts-innerfidelity-sony-mdr-z1r-measurements

I'd really like to see the compensation curve you're using and the raw measurements. Do you move the headphone and average to do some spatial filtering?

I'd love to get you the headphones I measured and would love to measure a pair of yours so we can do a little more correlation.

I think your measurement rig is SWEET!

I'll shoot you an email.

 

[VandyMan]

Differences, why did this need to become an issue of "consistency" why do we need to compare?

For anyone looking to buy these headphones, issues of consistency are very important.

 

[jscmd2000]

Yay, you guys are awesome!

 

[astrostar59]

^ Great information here Jude! I have to concur with your comments as well with regards to the bass/mid/treble presence of the Z1Rs and this might explain why I've had such a hard time understanding what was posted on innerfidelity as it just didn't jive with what I heard as well. Looking forward to more information as it comes out too. I'm also very interested on your measurement system too...I'll read up on it per your links.Thanks again!

Well all I can say on the Tyll subject is I remember him raving over the 009s and BHSE combo, then a year or so later saying the 009s were 'tizzy treble' and not high end anymore. I dispute that on my Carbon amp and fed by an R-2R DAC. He also often uses EQ as in the Utopia review. And then of course, his DACs change as well between reviews.... It comes down to read the reviews, but get off the couch are try stuff before buying IMO.

 

[Sonic Defender]

For anyone looking to buy these headphones, issues of consistency are very important.

Again, we don't know there are any issues with consistency at all, this is how unsubstantiated rumors get a life of their own.

 

[Sonic Defender]

Each reviewer has their preference an tolerances, but what I don't like how here at head-fi were pointing at our competitor as being "in-consistent" I'm really happy to have the measurements from both Jude and Tyll, though I would have enjoyed Jude's more if not for him openly putting Tyll and all the others who measure gear down. Worst of all this post is on the FRONT of OUR community!

Why not just share what you guys measured with us, make a small comment on the differences that you found while doing your measurements and leave it at that. Differences, why did this need to become an issue of "consistency" why do we need to compare? Why do are we working to discredit our competitor?

I didn't at all get the sense that Jude was putting anybody down. I thought his post was very respectful. It is people taking him out of context that may make the conversation go badly when it really doesn't need to.