The discovery thread!
Oct 19, 2024 at 12:53 PM Post #129,421 of 138,071
I will say RS2 is more holographic than RS6 in terms of mids texture. I don't really need additional clarity to make it sounds more modernized.

I think I already found the endgame for 2024, RS2+ CS02 + Saga Balanced !
Holographic mids are what I’m here for so sounds good to me, thanks for the heads up. KZ calls Saga the ‘ultimate endgame dynamic’ so maybe you’re right haha, for $10 I’ll probably buy it.
The KZ Saga balanced has gotten my attention and play time more than a bunch of my other higher priced sets, due to it's overall fun factor, while not leaving technicalities off the table. For $20.00USD, it's a bit of a steal.
 
Oct 19, 2024 at 1:04 PM Post #129,423 of 138,071
My R4 Miter case should be here next week.. thank god they are finally coming out lol that wait was too long.

edit - why does that need to flap down lol
I'm guessing it's a kick stand. And I want it. I regularly have to find stupidly creative ways to prop my R4 up on random ish laying nearby (books, dirty socks, the shards of broken dreams, etc). Only hesitation is the beige color.

What I want is a decent oleophobic tempered glass screen protector!! That stock one is trash!
I'm raw dogging it until I can get a decent glass protector. That plastic stock one on the R4 was the first thing to get tossed when I opened the box.

Since I know you guys know everything that is available on the market...

I need an Eartip that is more than 14mm wide and more than 10mm height.
And if possible, have a good grip..

I see that the Spinfit CP100+ size LL is almost there... and they have a good grip..


I think if the Spinfit W1 had a size LL, it would be ideal, because it has a very good grip...

Do you know of any model that is still a little higher than 10mm, but also has a width greater than 14mm?
Have you tried double-flange tips? Might be the solution you're looking for.

True, this is not the most important detail, but I feel stuff like this adds up to either positively or negatively affect the overall sonic outcome of the IEM.
I'm with you insofar as those upper harmonics ("air") have a big influence on what I hear, but I think @baskingshark's point is that you can't rely on measurements of those regions above ~8k (or I'd argue, even much above 5 or 6k). While every coupler is different, those measured differences become so wildly exacerbated in that region that you regularly see variations in the tens of dBs (and since dBs are logarithmic, those are massive differences). It's a region where, with current measurement tech, we have to rely solely on our ears. Even worse, it's also a region that is susceptible to lots of personal variation because of age, gender, noise exposure, genetics, etc. FWIW I'm in my late 40s and lucky enough to still hear quite clearly into the 16-17k region, so like you, that region matters quite a bit to what I ultimately hear. There's just no way to measure it accurately.

And BooM, here it is. A special set that I thoroughly enjoyed reviewing, but (thankfully) it did not persuade me into purchasing my own.

DITA Project M review



Thank you, @Erkil for lending me your baby, it will be back with you soon!
Awesome review, as always. And another illustration of just how divisive this set is! I hear the Project M as a definitively "laid back" set, not at all "energetic" as you have it categorized. Based on the divisive reactions it's had among those of us in this thread, this seems to be the dividing line. Folks who hear it as energetic, hear it as way too energetic. Folks who hear it as laid back, hear it as a super chill set. Don't think the difference is down to hearing ability either, since like I said above, I can still hear well into the upper treble region. So weird.

The Project M seems a bit like cilantro: either you taste an amazing and refreshing herb, or you taste disgusting soap.
 
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Oct 19, 2024 at 1:13 PM Post #129,425 of 138,071
But on a serious note, what are you folks looking to buy on 11.11?
It's more of a wishlist at this point, but I'm looking at maybe picking up one of these BT sources depending on reviews and how they compare to the Quloos MUB1 I recently picked up.
  • Muse Hifi M5 Ultra - BT DAC/tube amp. 4 da toobz.
  • Questyle M18i - BT DAC/amp. 4 da smaller form factor.
  • FiiO BTR17 - BT DAC/amp. 4 da smaller form factor and volume knob.
Interesting. I usually hear the center image as though it's on a screen on the front inside of my skull. But as the headstage spreads, it also deepens. It makes something like a double-concave lens shape sort of like this:


The front and back of my head is even with the shallowest part at the center of the concave. But the things that sound most separated are those instruments/notes that seem to come from the furthest four corners.


My kids have a whole dance that goes along with his theme song.

I hear IEM soundstage in a similar way. It's what I describe as the bowtie stage lol. The IEMs I've heard that have BCD seem to give more depth in front of me so it widens the center "knot" a bit.

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If you're an audiophile who puts soundstage above all, you're not bothering with IEMs. It's pretty much audiophile gospel that most open-back over-ears will give wider soundstage than a sealed IEM. Just buy the HD 800s and be done with it if soundstage is your one-pony trick.

If you're a soundstage fiend, you don't have to stray too far from IEMs. Get a decent set of flathead earbuds and you have bigger soundstage in a similar form factor to IEMs.

I have to say I’m more excited when they’re in my ears :)

What is the cable that you’re using with them?

Meanwhile, Penon mail call! No, nothing new this time - just a little parcel of old cables back from getting some TLC from them.

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They offered to “update” my Totem (visions of it being loaded with iOS 18.1) - swopping out the original 2.5mm plug (and its network of little Totem adapters) for a 4.4mm modular plug - and modular connectors, which are the bigger deal for me because most of my collection is 2-pin and I don’t have any other cables of this calibre in MMCX. But today the Totem is being reunited with my Volt so it’s back right where it started.



I’m doing my Friday Bandcamp shopping as well, letting them play right through my feed through nothing more than my phone and DC Elite, and they just shine.

In the 3 years or so since I got these, I’ve had the good fortune to listen to a number of amazing IEMs (and own some of them). And it occasionally surprises me that Volt + Totem are still such a pleasure in 2024, musically and timbrally.

I totally forgot that Penon now has interchangeable connectors. Do you know if they offer this upgrade to all of their cables or is it just on the Totem? Also, do they have pentaconn ear connectors too or just 2pin/MMCX?

I guess RS6 would be my endgame dap with it’s three gain stages.

The Quloos MUB1 isn't a DAP, but it does have FOUR gain stages with a ton of power (1100mW@32Ω): Low, Mid, High, SUPER

Endgame BT DAC/amp (for now)
 
Oct 19, 2024 at 1:15 PM Post #129,426 of 138,071
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Penon entering Penon exiting.
Unfortunately I lost or had my beloved TURBO stolen 😭.
(I'll have to buy them again 🤬, I'll go into financial collapse)

Anyway, I'm trying these FAN3s.
I find them fantastic, with that sense of space that many of you have highlighted.
Impactful sound, well rendered voices, very pleasant to listen to.
I'd say they're suitable for many musical genres.
(but, damn, it's a succession of IEM releases, one better than the other. It's becoming really difficult to choose).

Compared to the FAN2, I think they are better on all fronts; however I must say that I find the tuning of the FAN2 much more particular and for this reason I continue to love and listen to them, because they remind me of the sound of my old stereo system from the 70s.


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You guys doing this on purpose now? LOL So before I sent my FAN 3 off on loan, only time you see mention was when OzBoy was talking about them (before the Shock changed his life), or I was talking about them, and now, all of a sudden, while mine are not in my possession, there's mention every other page LOL But yes, they are fantastic, and very pleasing sound signature for sure. Not endgame, but damn good for many genres, and definitely top 5.
 
Oct 19, 2024 at 1:15 PM Post #129,427 of 138,071
Here's a video on the backend tough logistics and delivery work that happens after a huge Ali sale. Seems the workers are not as protected in the west in terms of labor laws.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1592908304984772

So, for every pokemon that is purchased, there is grueling work done before it reaches your doorstep. Much appreciation should be had for these workers!

Moral of the story: don't purchase unnecessary sidegrade pokemons?

But on a serious note, what are you folks looking to buy on 11.11?
Leaning to the Shock. A wild hair might lead to the Jomo Nautilus.
 
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Oct 19, 2024 at 1:16 PM Post #129,428 of 138,071
It's more of a wishlist at this point, but I'm looking at maybe picking up one of these BT sources depending on reviews and how they compare to the Quloos MUB1 I recently picked up.
  • Muse Hifi M5 Ultra - BT DAC/tube amp. 4 da toobz.
  • Questyle M18i - BT DAC/amp. 4 da smaller form factor.
  • FiiO BTR17 - BT DAC/amp. 4 da smaller form factor and volume knob.

Muse Hifi M5 Ultra and the Xduoo XD05 Tube are my two covets. With you, buddy
 
Oct 19, 2024 at 1:18 PM Post #129,429 of 138,071
The thing is there definitely are peaks around that region, but the quantity (SPL) and exact frequency band where these peaks occur are not too accurate.

In the first place, at the 15 kHz region, half the members cannot hear this region due to age. For the other half that can potentially hear 15 kHz, there is not much useful musical information there other than harmonics which influence air perception. I dunno why folks here are so fixated with ultra high frequency bands such as 15 kHz as such, when there's much more fish to fry from the 20 Hz to 12 kHz region where there's way more useful musical information.


Here's the Piccolo graph:
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8 kHz is a coupler artefact.
It's called "they think they know, and they are smarter than the average audiophile, but they don't really know". It's the tired and worn listening with the eyes and not the ears thing that frankly, is so tired and worn around these parts, I generally just ignore it unless it's being used to dissuade someone from otherwise purchasing a really good IEM.
 
Oct 19, 2024 at 1:19 PM Post #129,430 of 138,071
Nice. Is that a V15 cartridge I see there?

What memories.
Every time my father and I bought a new component it was a real celebration.
I remember as if it were yesterday when we bought the MARANTZ pre and power amps, the AKAI and Technics decks, etc. etc.
Over the years we alternated various cartridges;
I remember the ADC, STANTON (the ones with the feather duster on the front) and SHURE MC.
Good times.


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Oct 19, 2024 at 1:20 PM Post #129,431 of 138,071
Oct 19, 2024 at 1:26 PM Post #129,432 of 138,071
Pinna gradually and smooth lifting towards 8k instead of the typical Harman 3k ✅
It's fantastical how many listeners prefer shouters (no roll off above 3KHz). It is interesting how many hours a day they really listen to music.
 
Oct 19, 2024 at 1:28 PM Post #129,433 of 138,071
What memories.
Every time my father and I bought a new component it was a real celebration.
I remember as if it were yesterday when we bought the MARANTZ pre and power amps, the AKAI and Technics decks, etc. etc.
Over the years we alternated various cartridges;
I remember the ADC, STANTON (the ones with the feather duster on the front) and SHURE MC.
Good times.


I’m rocking a TD165. Restored and rewired it myself after picking it up locally during the COVID quarantine days for $200. Love that thing. And it’s older than I am. Works a charm. I’ve got a modest Nakaoka MP-150 on it at the moment (as well as a Lounge Audio LCR phono stage). In direct A/B, it trades blows with my digital chain (and bests it for holography and staging). Wish I could hook it up to my headphone rig, but the turntable is bigger than my desk can bear. Alas.
 
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Oct 19, 2024 at 1:28 PM Post #129,434 of 138,071
I know they're a bit plain, but I love the looks of these. The fit looks incredible as well.

Reminds me of the Canpurs, with their completely sealed off design and super comfortable shells, the isolation is actually off the charts. The CP32e is so isolating that without music playing, my Tinnitus gets to an uncomfortably high perception. I assume these are somewhat similar!

Speaking of Tinnitus, does anyone have a bad case of it? I've been living with it for years and years now, I've lost count tbh, and I've been doing some exercises to try to mitigate it but to no avail. If anyone has any tips that's worked for them, I'm all ears (pun intended). Thanks in advance!
Mine is there for years, and I just deal with it with a fan running (background white noise), and try not to have any IEMs or headphones in my ears for too long without music playing so it doesn't get too noticeable. Not much to do outside of that.
 

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