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Feb 22, 2024 at 12:37 AM Post #95,566 of 111,773
Collaborations are bad for the hobby, Jack's up the prices to pay the collaborators and the only parties that benefit are the sellers and Collab.

The rest of us just pay the commission fee added on to the price.
What about Crinacle and his input (even though only got credit later) for the 7Hz Salnotes Zero? 7Hz would have never tuned the Zero without his input..........the tune could have been anything. But Crinacle put his secret sauce to it, and the Zero 2........making them great.....in my humble opinion. So where is the jacked-up price there? The Zero was $19.99 originally, plus the new Zero 2 is under $25.00...........he would have to sell hundreds of them to afford a new pair of shoes! :)

While sure it is generally over used as a marketing ploy, but it puts a face that is known onto an inanimate object and gives it personally. Though sure if the results are bad nothing can save the IEM from mediocrity.....not even a smiling face. :) What about Z Revews JoJo? Sounds like the name for a dog, and the IEM is dog. But at timesl collaborations work out, I think?
 
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Feb 22, 2024 at 12:52 AM Post #95,567 of 111,773
Collaborations are bad for the hobby, Jack's up the prices to pay the collaborators and the only parties that benefit are the sellers and Collab.

The rest of us just pay the commission fee added on to the price.
You are so much correct! Btw there is one case where with collabs the reviewer can improve the tuning of already existent iem, for example the Blessing 3 deserve a collab in my opinion, the bass is weak and I don't want to think to use eq when I connect an iem to my devices.

What about Crinacle and his input (even though only got credit later) for the 7Hz Salnotes Zero? 7Hz would have never tuned the Zero without his input..........the tune could have been anything. But Crinacle put his secret sauce to it, and the Zero 2........making them great.....in my humble opinion.

This!! Crin is very good with improving the tuning. So I'm waiting the Blessing 3 Dusk :)
 
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Feb 22, 2024 at 12:57 AM Post #95,568 of 111,773
You are so much correct! Btw there is one case where with collabs the reviewer can improve the tuning of already existent iem, for example the Blessing 3 deserve a collab in my opinion, the bass is weak and I don't want to think to use eq when I connect an iem to my devices.



This!! Crin is very good with improving the tuning. So I'm waiting the Blessing 3 Dusk :)
Double edged sword.
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Feb 22, 2024 at 1:09 AM Post #95,569 of 111,773
Collabs aside the moment Ziigaat releases the vanilla HBB Jupiter without that collab tax its a day 1 blind buy for me.
 
Feb 22, 2024 at 1:13 AM Post #95,570 of 111,773
You are so much correct! Btw there is one case where with collabs the reviewer can improve the tuning of already existent iem, for example the Blessing 3 deserve a collab in my opinion, the bass is weak and I don't want to think to use eq when I connect an iem to my devices.



This!! Crin is very good with improving the tuning. So I'm waiting the Blessing 3 Dusk :)
The funny part about the blessing 3 is the drivers/driver configuration are very good. With EQ the bass booms. Unfortunate they botched the tuning so bad. Mind boggling to me that they couldn’t address the one major complaint people had with the blessing 2. Moondrop’s solution with the 3: we should add more treble.
 
Feb 22, 2024 at 1:19 AM Post #95,571 of 111,773
What about Crinacle and his input (even though only got credit later) for the 7Hz Salnotes Zero? 7Hz would have never tuned the Zero without his input..........the tune could have been anything. But Crinacle put his secret sauce to it, and the Zero 2........making them great.....in my humble opinion. So where is the jacked-up price there? The Zero was $19.99 originally, plus the new Zero 2 is under $25.00...........he would have to sell hundreds of them to afford a new pair of shoes! :)

While sure it is generally over used as a marketing ploy, but it puts a face that is known onto an inanimate object and gives it personally. Though sure if the results are bad nothing can save the IEM from mediocrity.....not even a smiling face. :) What about Z Revews JoJo? Sounds like the name for a dog, and the IEM is dog. But at timesl collaborations work out, I think?
Zero is tune on IEF neutral target as In-Ear-Fidelity Neutral Target, crin own personal neutral target.

While i never quite buy Collab iem because of who they collab with, i buy them because usually collab iem will have clearer design goal, and much better marketing/explanation video done by collaborator.
its no bland "unparralled iems with perfect tune" usual chifi unclear marketing mumbo jumbo, but the collaborator usually goes "i made this iem to fit this particular library. so the setup is like this for this. and bass will be like this so for these kinds of song, it would be perfect".

its for marketing? well, if that is the marketing difference, collab all the way, i'd say.

that being said, not all collab have that immediate design goal like what crin, HBB, or Gizaudio done.
there is a bit hazy one like ZReviews one but so far the product ain't bad per se.
 
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Feb 22, 2024 at 2:04 AM Post #95,572 of 111,773
I see you mention 634ears miraouk as one of your top 2 iems. Did you do a review of it? I saw somewhere a discounted price on 'Miroak-II Padauk wood' , not sure exactly how much it was. 200$ perhaps. Is the bass here good (one of those quality,quantity satisfying stuff)? is that 'Miroak-II Padauk wood' worth that?
I haven't reviewed it, I want to. But for some reason I always have promised reviews I have to do instead 😅

It's not the most technical set, but delivers a warm fun tonality that aligns with my taste. Also like the design and how nice the maker Musashi is.

200$ is a bargain.
 
Feb 22, 2024 at 2:45 AM Post #95,573 of 111,773
Collabs aside the moment Ziigaat releases the vanilla HBB Jupiter without that collab tax its a day 1 blind buy for me.
That collab is overpriced.

As far as collabs go they are generally overpriced. Honestly I’ve sold or returned most of them that I have as I want to consolidate my collection.

I think an influencer can help with a collab and everyone can win. A delicate subject. Yet why not live in a world where we all win. I heard of another collab where a it’s 200 and the fee is only $1. Honestly life is short. Enjoy your gear. You only have one set of earphones.
 
Feb 22, 2024 at 3:16 AM Post #95,574 of 111,773
I haven't reviewed it, I want to. But for some reason I always have promised reviews I have to do instead 😅

It's not the most technical set, but delivers a warm fun tonality that aligns with my taste. Also like the design and how nice the maker Musashi is.

200$ is a bargain.
Oh great. I remembered where I saw that discount post. Have reached out on the forum.
 
Feb 22, 2024 at 4:25 AM Post #95,575 of 111,773
Haha.. Hope the consolidated Aful (all 3 iems) review is at least coming out this year!

I did record that review. Speaking of which, where did I put the raw footages of that one ...

That collab is overpriced.

As far as collabs go they are generally overpriced. Honestly I’ve sold or returned most of them that I have as I want to consolidate my collection.

I think an influencer can help with a collab and everyone can win. A delicate subject. Yet why not live in a world where we all win. I heard of another collab where a it’s 200 and the fee is only $1. Honestly life is short. Enjoy your gear. You only have one set of earphones.

I personally always wonder what people like us can offer manufacturers when building IEMs. Unless we are DIY IEM builders as well, otherwise we can only offer the "taste." I doubt our taste is better than the tuners who put food on the table based on the IEMs they make. (Imaging I offer tuning advices to Lee of Elysian Acoustics Labs. I'm laughing imaging that :dt880smile:)

So maybe it's the name and fanbase that manufacturers are after.

I wonder whether there is any artesan who can truely make an IEM from scratch, one off, for a customer. I dream of a 10dB IEM with cutting edge Tribrid or Quadbrid configuration.

Anyhow, still waiting for Crinacle Blessing 3: Dusk. The Blessing 3 would be a great IEM with a retune. Such a missed opportunity.
 
Feb 22, 2024 at 4:52 AM Post #95,576 of 111,773
I thought the Nuo had a bit too sharp treble when I got it. But that was from my desktop stacks.
Using them now on my bluetooth AZ09 pro, and that sharpness is gone! Perfect match, small and comfy when you're out and about.
Finally I can really enjoy the Duo cause I really like the tuning, aside from that sharpness.
 
Feb 22, 2024 at 5:48 AM Post #95,577 of 111,773
Beauties arrived.

Ibasso 3t-154 is here and I'll share my quick impressions.

First thing first, the biggest size ever! Ever i had in my collection. Very strange shaped body. I'll share it along with mp145(considered to have a huge body) to give you an idea.

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These are not for everyone from the size perspective and I mean it!

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Due to having slightly short nozzle, you'll end up with fit issues considering that your ear is already big enough to fit that huge shells.

Here's the Berilium plated big 15.4mm DD looking at you.


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Paying attention to the shell, I was sure that I won't have issues like driver flex seeing that three holes jn front of the driver. There are also two other behind if you look closely.

Seeing big sized DDs is sth rare recently and ibasso does sth unique. I won't share the box and accessories as I'm on a business trip and I had to select a few IEMs to use them on the go.

I love single DDs and I love their capabilities. I used to think that they can do the magic if a very rigid material and good magnets being used.

However, time to adjust my observations again. Because out of the box they're just okay soundwise. Considering the price range they target, there's a tough competition. Seeing the size of them, considering the tuning and technicalities, ibasso might struggle.


When I was unboxing, I was impressed by the presentation, included tips(at least 4 different sets of tips), and cable. I ended up using my favorite wide bore bqeyz blue tips anyways but good to have additional.

The cable is good. But! Just like the size of the shells, what a big plugs they have! Feels like ibasso wanted to go big! They're very rigid also when I plugged them into my m11 plus ess. I have the case ony dap and the perimeter of the plugs is so big that they're pushing on the edges the leather case of dap. Force is required to plug and unplug so I wanted to go safe before I loosen the female ports.

Finally the sound. 3t-154 lacks presence, air, and depth. The rest is good including the bass which doesn't dominate much considering the huge size, the strength/size of the DDs.

Lack of presence and air is a big downside for me as I die for soundstage, pinpoint imaging. Due to the lack of presence, it's not clear where the instruments are. How far behind for example. There's a little bit of similarity to the Timeless OGs shallow depth. They're close to you and intimate.

When a youtuber reviewing (if I'm not mistaken Akros), he said that he likes that intimate presentation as he doesn't want his attention to divert during long sessions. I'm opposite of this. When the stage is intimate, the listening experience is not fun for me. Having a bigger stage means there'll be more space to put different instruments, effects without being too crowded, congested. It makes you not understand/appreciate what has been done with that particular sound you hear. Knowing that the bass is usually dominating the area in the middle right behind the solist, intimate soundstage is a PITA with crowded tracks.

Lacking extention/air leads to that intimate presentation most of the time. 3t-154 has a very strong roll off after 9khz. That affects the tallness and depth mostly. When you don't hear the extension of a sound, the brain has difficulty with calculating how far is that. When this situation occurs, you hear it like there's a wall behind you and instruments are located all in the same distance.

There's that problem with 3t-154. Bass is good, mids are good but treble and air makes it harder to justify the purchase. Adding the size of the shells, short nozzle with fit issues, I'd say be careful before buying it.

I honestly had great experiences with big DDs but almost all of them had an issue with somewhere usually a peak or roll off happening in the tuning.

Audio-Technica ckm1000 had a terrible sibilance causing by the peak around 6/7khz region making everything metallic, unbearable so I had to use EQ.

Sony Ex1000 had that 6khz peak again and also a roll off in the high end region so I had to to use EQ as well.

And now I use EQ again for 3t-154. But I had to give a really strong boost especially after 13khz regions that adds extension/resolution and air. It's not wow comparing it to the two mentioned above but I'll give time to my brain to adjust.

Thanks for reading.
 
Feb 22, 2024 at 6:53 AM Post #95,578 of 111,773
I personally always wonder what people like us can offer manufacturers when building IEMs. Unless we are DIY IEM builders as well, otherwise we can only offer the "taste." I doubt our taste is better than the tuners who put food on the table based on the IEMs they make. (Imaging I offer tuning advices to Lee of Elysian Acoustics Labs. I'm laughing imaging that :dt880smile:)

So maybe it's the name and fanbase that manufacturers are after.

Maybe maybe not. For eg: both of us like Aful P8. I have already mentioned how I like your reviews. So, in case, the p8 was launching now, and you gave them your suggestions on the soundstage and stuff (Aful One tuning with the other jazz). They release that version. There would be (idiots!) like me who would consider buying that. Clearly, the manufacturer hadn't thought of those tweaks as you had, else they would have released it. So, it can work. It will come down to the trust in the reviewers and (a large or someone respected for their views) fan base he gathers for a manufacturer to get interested. And someone who isn't lazy would help; not a PHD teacher in Melbourne who can't edit an hour of raw footage!

Also, someone else said 'oh maybe i (he) should also start reviewing to get the samples'. By all means, go ahead. Reviewing isn't easy or understanding all that goes into sound to be able to explain it properly in first place, and in a way that maintains interest of people. If one can, and one is able to sustain interest, build respect - go for it. Else, it sounds like sour grapes.

A film reviewer in a newspaper isn't buying tickets. They get free screenings. Nothing wrong with it. Films are still cheap; so not a right comparison. Let's say car/bike review magazines; they are not buying everything. So, I have no issue in the freebies as such. What they do with it or do to get it is more crucial. It's not as if integrity has to be lost in anything one does. And I don't have to feel all reviewers have sold their souls.
 
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Feb 22, 2024 at 7:12 AM Post #95,579 of 111,773
That collab is overpriced.

As far as collabs go they are generally overpriced. Honestly I’ve sold or returned most of them that I have as I want to consolidate my collection.

I think an influencer can help with a collab and everyone can win. A delicate subject. Yet why not live in a world where we all win. I heard of another collab where a it’s 200 and the fee is only $1. Honestly life is short. Enjoy your gear. You only have one set of earphones.

I forgot which sub $100 iem, but during his explanation video, crin (or hbb i forgot) outright stated that their cut is $5 per iem.
Somewhere around 10% of the iem price if i recalled it right.
Another "collab", i forgot which one but crin only given undisclosed consultation fee.

for the budget segment, the collaborator cut won't be anything crazy,

pricier segment however, i'm not sure of.
Hifri noted that he could make fancy ass spec iem for under $200 and that already include his profit margin.
he muses on how big the profit margin for that $200~$500 iems. (or bellsing/budget driver kilobuck like some campfire)

Unfortunately unlike many sub$100 or sub$50 collab with quite success.
Only few $100+ collab got proper success, with the failing one ended got that stigma of overpriced thing.
Pretty sure many HBB expensive sets still stuck on this phase, with heyday being the exception.

failing iem is failing iem and in fast chifi world, last week ok-ish iem is stale by the next week
but if you have your name on that failing or stale middling iem, well its their risk.
 
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