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Feb 5, 2024 at 4:57 AM Post #94,367 of 111,761
So, if you have to choose one this or your way cheaper reecho dawn?!
One is a doggy and one is a cat. Where both have attributes which propel them to show how both price points, the Dawn's price-point and this new Neo 3 price-point have somehow stepped up their value game. You know someone asked me just yesterday about the Dawn in comparison to the EA500LM...............I mean I have not even begun reviews yet of the EA500LM, and I opened the Neo 3 box just an hour ago, I really don't totally know what it is. I know some really value first impressions, but I still believe in burn-in both mental and physical. I will say one thing though.....this Neo 3 stage in bigger, of course, as it has three drivers.....and not only one.
 
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Feb 5, 2024 at 5:06 AM Post #94,368 of 111,761
So, if you have to choose one this or your way cheaper reecho dawn?!

One is a doggy and one is a cat. Where both have attributes which propel them to show how both price points, the Dawn's price-point and this new Neo 3 price-point have somehow stepped up their value game. You know someone asked me just yesterday about the Dawn in comparison to the EA500LM...............I mean I have not even begun reviews yet of the EA500LM, and I opened the Neo 3 box just an hour ago, I really don't totally know what it is. I know some really value first impressions, but I still believe in burn-in both mental and physical. I will say one thing though.....this Neo 3 stage in bigger, of course, as it has three drivers.....and not only one.
One thing though is for certain and that is diminishing returns, so the cheaper one is still very close to the 4 times more one.
 
Feb 5, 2024 at 5:10 AM Post #94,369 of 111,761
Very good impressions. If I understand your definition, you describe an all rounder as one that colors the sound to be warmer and less resolving, I get that, just wondering if that is universal. Perhaps your def. is kinda like the high end IEM listening test someone did on the tube where normal folks liked the Kiwi Cadenza almost unanimously over the very high priced competitors.

But I must disagree with your portrayal that studio monitors are mostly used to find flaws. On the contrary, I find that great studio monitors in a well treated room can help bring us the beautiful nuance and natural timbre of the recording session, instruments and voice. But these monitors are not generally used by consumers, unless you have a lot of $$$. Most of us poor sods get the likes of entry level JBL, Yamaha (made to sound like crap for checking how great something can sound in a 1980s car), and perhaps Adam, etc.
I don't say studio monitors sound bad, but they definitely not color the music when they are of good quality. And good recordings can sound awesome on good monitors 👍

Actually have a pair of good HEDD studio monitors, but don't have as good treatment anymore. Use them much less than IEMs and headphones, due to the resolving side and lack of isolation. For some reason my wife don't like listening to my death metal or jazz 🫡
 
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Feb 5, 2024 at 5:13 AM Post #94,370 of 111,761
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So, I have spent the last few hours listening to the Pula PA02, on loaned from my good friend @lycos (thanks, mate!). Here are some thoughts. Noted that I am going in blind, meaning I have no idea what is inside these IEM, how much they cost, how they graph. The only thing I know is that they are supposed to have similar tuning to Canpur something (very $$$$$$)

  • My first impression was “uh oh, the stage is kinda weird.” It reminds me of the uncanny feeling that I had with FiiO FA7s: narrow but deep stage with stronger forward to backward imaging than left to right. Even with songs that have strong stereo pans, the instruments still do not break the headstage as much as other IEM.
  • The imaging is quite impressive. Sharp and precise not unlike AFUL P8.
  • Both detail retrieval and instrument separation are beyond that of a Blessing 2 class IEM.
  • I can't quite pin point the sound signature of this IEM. It feels slightly U-shaped with strong lower bass and upper treble, with the midrange flat and slightly behind the other frequencies.
  • Bass has clean attack, with good decay and texture. I have a feeling that this IEM has a tucked bass shelf with stronger than usual subbass, because when the track is not very bassy, the bass does not "stay around". Somewhat reminds me of symphonium helios, though not as extreme.
  • The treble is energetic but not sibilant or piercing. Cymbals and hats sound good with more detail than usual.
  • Concerning: timbre of vocal is slightly odd in a few track. Need further analysis.
  • Nonsound: the shells are absolutely beautiful. The cable looks premium, like an Effect Audio entry level cable. The included accessories seem generous.
Quick summary: this IEM looks and sounds expensive. I would be happy to daily drive this. Without direct comparison, I think this one is a side grade of AFUL P8.

Now if you excuse me, I'm searching for graph now.



Edit: Got it, thanks @ToneDeafMonk

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That explains the slight recessed feeling of the midrange sometimes.

I still prefer the 10dB target :dt880smile:



Edit 2: Found it: https://hifigo.com/products/pula-pa02

1+4 configuration for $189. Very impressive! I thought it’s 2+6 or at least 2+4.
 
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Feb 5, 2024 at 5:20 AM Post #94,371 of 111,761
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So, I have spent the last few hours listening to the Pula PA02, on loaned from my good friend @lycos (thanks, mate!). Here are some thoughts. Noted that I am going in blind, meaning I have no idea what is inside these IEM, how much they cost, how they graph. The only thing I know is that they are supposed to have similar tuning to Canpur something (very $$$$$$)

  • My first impression was “uh oh, the stage is kinda weird.” It reminds me of the uncanny feeling that I had with FiiO FA7s: narrow but deep stage with stronger forward to backward imaging than left to right. Even with songs that have strong stereo pans, the instruments still do not break the headstage as much as other IEM.
  • The imaging is quite impressive. Sharp and precise not unlike AFUL P8.
  • Both detail retrieval and instrument separation are beyond that of a Blessing 2 class IEM.
  • I can't quite pin point the sound signature of this IEM. It feels slightly U-shaped with strong lower bass and upper treble, with the midrange flat and slightly behind the other frequencies.
  • Bass has clean attack, with good decay and texture. I have a feeling that this IEM has a tucked bass shelf with stronger than usual subbass, because when the track is not very bassy, the bass does not "stay around". Somewhat reminds me of symphonium helios, though not as extreme.
  • The treble is energetic but not sibilant or piercing. Cymbals and hats sound good with more detail than usual.
  • Concerning: timbre of vocal is slightly odd in a few track. Need further analysis.
  • Nonsound: the shells are absolutely beautiful. The cable looks premium, like an Effect Audio entry level cable. The included accessories seem generous.
Quick summary: this IEM looks and sounds expensive. I would be happy to daily drive this. Without direct comparison, I think this one is a side grade of AFUL P8.

Now if you excuse me, I'm searching for graph now.



Edit: Got it, thanks @ToneDeafMonk

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That explains the slight recessed feeling of the midrange sometimes.

I still prefer the 10dB target :dt880smile:
Wah! Seems a very generous positive quick reflection .

Btw what's that gorgeous looking DAP? Though the volume knob seems less of a knob and more finger-roller (Perhaps it's the angle of your pic)
 
Feb 5, 2024 at 5:22 AM Post #94,372 of 111,761
Wah! Seems a very generous positive quick reflection .

Btw what's that gorgeous looking DAP? Though the volume knob seems less of a knob and more finger-roller (Perhaps it's the angle of your pic)
It’s iBasso DX300. And yup, it’s a finger roller. Can be dangerous when you slide it in the pocket.
 
Feb 5, 2024 at 5:48 AM Post #94,373 of 111,761
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Next one. HiBy Yvain. (I still don’t know how to pronounce this name)

Edit: sheesh, this one sounds so strange :dt880smile: It’s certainly not like most IEMs nowadays. Easier on the ears than HiBy Crystal I and II, so, at least it’s good in that way. Very sensitive IEM, so be careful with the volume.

The BA woofer is more competent than then I expected.

Edit 2: Got it. It’s tuned like multi BA set of the yester-years like the Andro. There is a thickness all the way from the bass all the way to midrange with perhaps a diffused field like ear gain. It’s clean and clear sounding but with a slight “fog” or “veil” over the lower frequencies (one may call it “warm”, or “mud”). Seems like a good tool for tracking or monitoring. Strong isolation and I have good comfort.

Edit 3: It does violin and cello so well. I like it. The cellos sound better on this IEM than the Pula PA02
 
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Feb 5, 2024 at 6:09 AM Post #94,374 of 111,761
(Edit: This is for the ibasso 3T-154 since I just realized I only mentioned it midway though my rambling)

The vocals have this weight to them and are generally pretty forward and center. Generally it has a decently thin image with quick attack and decay. Personally after listening to it more I would say its a unholy union between the general agrassiveness of the fiio FD5 but has the smoothess of the Final A50000. While it cant move air as fast as the the A5000 its one of the faster single DDs on the market that isnt pure Be.

Ok back to vocals the main focus of the vocals is on the body with decent enough extension to sound realistic. Not the best at vocal texture due to its particuar querk of slightly smoothing things over but there is enough texture to enjoy the music. While it has the side effect of being able to blast the music at loud volumes it now reminds me of how the air gap in speakers generally affect the texture and I think that was what they were going for. Vocals form REOL's earlier works like "No Title" I found that the 3T was able to keep up and unlike alot of iems that makes her autotuned voice extra thick and suffocating its able to keep up with her voice.

The only issue with blasting the music is that it showcases badly masted music along with all its glorious unintended sibilance.

Ok back to the good points. It saperates different images/voices with clear precision. Makes chamber and folk music so fun to listen to.

TBH the more I listen to it the more I wonder why they arent charging double the price. My only guess is that it isnt detailed enough.

Oh yeah the sound is gnerally quite enveloping with near 0 dark space unless its true audiophile grade recording like nana accoustic online. This gives quite the live venue feeling which is enhanced by its moderate V tuning.

Well its still the honeymoon phase but I turely believe that this iem will have staying power assuming they market it. Although I can see the biggest issue is that it might be too dry for some even with the smoothness due to the lack off added decay.

One last thing before I end my rambling. The 3T scales nicely and plays well with tubes if you want that extra smooth experience.
Thanks for the impressions. Seems like the issues can be solved with a simple EQ.

I just ordered mine on AE. I've been waiting for this for quite some time. I don't know why I have a big sympathy towards single DD iems. Especially big ones.
 
Feb 5, 2024 at 6:25 AM Post #94,375 of 111,761
Thanks for the impressions. Seems like the issues can be solved with a simple EQ.

I just ordered mine on AE. I've been waiting for this for quite some time. I don't know why I have a big sympathy towards single DD iems. Especially big ones.
Hmmm might try eq out but generally post 8khz eq I find to be kind of a crap shot to get correct. Personally if DSP is involved I would prefer a reverb plugin.

Looking forward to your impressions when they eventually arrive hopefully end Feb(CNY will delay everything from china sadly)
 
Feb 5, 2024 at 6:29 AM Post #94,376 of 111,761
So I'm sitting here with three really great IEM's....one is an unexpected one.

The Tansio Mirai 10th X. Clean, clear and using with bass switches on...an unusual offering from TM....nearly a bass cannon. With the balanced switch on fantastic for classical, orchestral and violins. I ❤️it.

The Penon 10th Anniversary. A musical Leprechaun must have tuned this with magic powder....a magical Penon offering that moves me every time I listen to it.

What IEM joins this illustrious company.....The Simgot EA500LM, single Mg/Li DD driver. a $90 wonder. A work of Art/Science that brings left and right brain together to make Zen. Oh how I ❤️music with these three great IEMs. Are we lucky, or are we lucky?

For all of these, a cheap but very good, musical cable...to die for:-

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EHxMiHn
 
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Feb 5, 2024 at 6:55 AM Post #94,377 of 111,761
Hmmm might try eq out but generally post 8khz eq I find to be kind of a crap shot to get correct. Personally if DSP is involved I would prefer a reverb plugin.

Looking forward to your impressions when they eventually arrive hopefully end Feb(CNY will delay everything from china sadly)
I have certain songs that I dont know how many times I listened to. Some have really good mastering so I tune knowing how particular part should sound. I also have cross border sibilance, shouty, bright songs that i know. So I use them also as cross check.

For example, sony mdr ex1000(another iem with big 16mm DD) has a dark treble past 8k also an unnecessary peak at 6khz. I tamed 6khz region by about 4.5db and gave and increase of 9db for 13.5-16khz region increasing the crisspines and air. That makes it much more resolving. I spent quite some time with every new IEM to find my sweet spot. You can also try by trial and error. Just simply peak an area and increase/decrease how it effects.

The only catch is not to give up the soundstage much. Meaning that it could lose the depth bringing the instruments more forward if DD has good technical capabilities. So I avoid not giving too much.

Ex1000 has also slight roll off in the lower end but because the sound is bold/thick that doesn't sound like that. Also having the DD that big, giving more bass decreases its precision. The dome having more difficulty with going back to the neutral position. The dome either has to be very rigid or the magnets have to be very strong.

Looks like ibasso catches a sweet spot with that. Slightly smaller size, stronger magnet and I assume a rigid diaphragm if it's really good quality.

Let's see hopefully I'll get it by the end of the Feb. I'll follow up.
 
Feb 5, 2024 at 7:03 AM Post #94,378 of 111,761
So I'm sitting here with three really great IEM's....one is an unexpected one.

The Tansio Mirai 10th X. Clean, clear and using with bass swiches...an unusual offering from TM....nearly a bass cannon. With the balanced switches on fantastic for classical, orchestral and violins. I ❤️it.

The Penon 10th Anniversary. A musical Leprechaun must have tuned this with magic powder....a magical Penon offering that moves me every time I listen to it.

What IEM joins this illustrious company.....The Simgot EA500LM, single Mg/Li DD driver. a $90 wonder. A work of Art/Science that brings left and right brain together to make Zen. Oh how I ❤️music with these three great IEMs. Are we lucky, or are we lucky?

For all of these, a cheap but very good, musical cable...to die for:-

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EHxMiHn
Oh man come on... :)

The amount I should pay is enough for my gf to kill me alive yet I see the praise all over for the tsmr x. I have land and I honestly love its giant soundstage. I love its rigid bass too. Reading x is even better gives me a hard time. I embrace self control. Let's see how it ends up...
 
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Feb 5, 2024 at 7:06 AM Post #94,379 of 111,761
I agree. There should be NO bass bleed coming from a $400 unit. Ever.
I don’t think lean, tucked bass is acceptable personally, but I’d never say someone shouldn’t have access to it if it’s their preference.

To each their own, if that’s what they like and they’re willing to pay for it
 
Feb 5, 2024 at 7:08 AM Post #94,380 of 111,761
Quattro is more mids and bass focus thant treble focus. thats for sure.
and since day 1 i know it will be one of those hate or love affair.
audacious tuning choice imo. i respect that.
it's different.
That sounds like the IEM with distinguished character...and different sounding IEM...

I will definitely keep them on my radar from now on for the future!

Cheers!
 

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