saint.panda : You say that the non-material universe consists of quantum waves and is placed outside the realms of space and time.
Art: Actually sub-quantum is a more accurate a description of the level of non-materiality (non-material to us and a realm of data or thought) outside of space and time (where eveything is everywhere simultaneously, making possible teleportation, quantum tunneling, quantum erasure phenmona).
saint: Being a real laymen I thought waves in quantum physics provide you with information in regards to its probability at a certain position. Also, if you look at the Schrödinger equation, space and time are actually involved, so I'm a bit confused here.
Art: Yes, physical waves are not the same as non-material waves at the level of strings or quantum foam. The wave function is a way of describing how different and materially mutually exclusive properties can simultaneously exist. At a basic wave function level, any thing is everywhere at all points in the past, present, and future. Such concepts are the only way to explain quantum and paranormal phenomena (telekinesis for example)
saint: Further, you say that music is a manifestation of this non-discrete but continous world but I thought sound is nothing more than air particles moving back and forth, which is quite discrete in my opinion.
Art: Yes. Music is physical as are particles and particle changes (material vibrations). Music communicates similarly to the non-material language or code of the basis of the universe - string or quantum wave vibrations. In these string vibrations, much of the future is contained as well as the past, which forms the discrete present in discrete successions of the quantum leap.
This formed present is replaced by another, and a new past is added to the past data. So the past accrues. Now the expanded past is data for generating even more into the future - the future expands also. The computation that generates new futures as old pasts accrue is the phase pulsations that comprise the music of the universe that is in contant flow, and occurs in a continuous medium outside if space and time.
saint: Now if you say that by listening to music, we can communicate with the universe (let's not use God due to forum rules), then how are sound waves different from let's say electromagnetic waves which we encounter everyday, that is light, which I'd personally categorize under "everyday sensory experience of the material world".
Art: Physical waves, like light and sound, are the data aspects of material particles. They occur in a holographic realm, transformed to discrete experience in the non-holographic realm of sensory focus, then brain-processed and memory stored back into a holographic realm for retrieval in awareness in a non-holgraphic focus as material things. Physical waves link directly to the non-material vibrations - particles are ways we conctruct the material world in perception. Music links more closely to the holographic continuity which flows directly from the data computation of the universe outside of space and time.
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saint: Can't everything be considered a wave according to the wave-particle dualism?
Art: Yes. If we look for a wave we find it and if we look for a particle we find, and both from the same source.
saint: So my problem is that I fail to see the distinct difference between music and other sorts of waves. Or is there a difference between music and normal sound waves?
Art: No. But musical language communicates more data than the sound of traffic. We say it is more meaningful. The music underlying the universe is maximally meaningful - it is pure meaning itself.
saint: Btw, perhaps we could refrain from referring to 'God' or I fear this thread might get locked pretty soon.
Art: Is 'Allah' ok?
