I have found bidn's post very far from neutral, I would even call them offensive. Not worthy to the festive period and the year end. But let's close the topic and enjoy @Musicalhead kind services and fine stile further.
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T+A announced "lite" version of Solitaire P headphones, Solitaire P-SE $3600 / £3000.
ThanatosVI
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You might add 2800€ to the price for the euro countries.T+A announced "lite" version of Solitaire P headphones, Solitaire P-SE $3600 / £3000.
Release is 25.01.2021
Hallo ,
But the SP SE must first show that it is worth this high sum of money !
If he's as far away from Harman's curve as the SP ,he's still far overpriced .
Audiophile Greetings , Nomos
But the SP SE must first show that it is worth this high sum of money !
If he's as far away from Harman's curve as the SP ,he's still far overpriced .
Audiophile Greetings , Nomos
How do you mean add €2800 to the price in Euro countries?
I see the P-SE offered for a total of €2800 in Germany!
ThanatosVI
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I agree that the SE has still to Show that it is worth it, which is normal in pre release state.
However sounding good has nothing to do with being close to the harman curve as phones like the Raal SR1a demonstrate quite well
ThanatosVI
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He wrote 3600$ / 3000£
And I meant to add 2800€ to that description
3600$ / 3000 £ / 2800€
The discussion is getting completely derailed. I think this will be my last post on this very generic discussion that doesn't have much to do with the headline.
Again, not just HD600, but on his site even AirPod Max is better ranked than D9200. Anyway, also define "better". And better for who, which music, which use case, which source. The problem is the single reference ranking - which makes it absolute and there is nothing absolute. There are measurable technicalities that could be scientifically proved to be "better", but when they all work together, they do not make the performance as a whole "better" for a completely different perception. Just picking samples from a few of those variables, generating a subjective model out of those few sample variables and making an absolute ranking based on that is also, for me, not trustworthy. Especially if you compare some new device to something you tried a couple of years ago. I'd rather prefer reviews that don't put everything in one chart, but describe their subjective perceptions, like what Musicalhead does.
There might be a truth to his ranking, for sure, and it is good that it works for you. But there are just too many parameters that add up to that "better". Because the frequency curve does not mean much alone. There are many parameters that could make two completely different tonality headphones to have same average grade, because of different technicalities, different reviewers, different music. "One size fits all" grading system, professional or not, does not exist. But in the end they need to simplify it to a single rating, and new headphones keep coming, which does not work for crinacle or for professional reviews.
Life is fortunately not one size fits all, otherwise probably it would be too boring - though in some areas I wish could be possible. But it is good that you have crinacle as a reference.
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If the Headphone between 1,000 hertz and 5,000 hertz between 3 to 7! decibels
the Harman curve is removed, like the T&A, it's just too much !
This has nothing to do with good reproduction of Music .
Best Greetings , Nomos
ThanatosVI
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For you, since you seemingly clinge very much to this frequency curve. Or maybe just because it fits your taste.
The harman curve is far from neutral. So either you have to want a neutral sound or one that correlates to the harman curve. Those are mutually exlusive things.
I personally like neither of those, therefore I rely on reviews that describe sound in comparison to other headphones.
However this harman curve / neutrality / review technique discussion has derailed this thread dor 2-3 pages already.
Feel free to open another thread discussing purely that topic and let us return to the real topic.
The T+A Solitaire P
Nomax is it you?
No , ..... not everyone who thinks the SP is bad must be Nomax ,
And not everyone who thinks the Harman Curve is right is Nomax
No , ..... not everyone who thinks the SP is bad must be Nomax ,
And not everyone who thinks the Harman Curve is right is Nomax
I can perfectly understand why many may not like the Solitaire P, but I am having hard time understanding the negativity and why everyone somehow passing by this thread decides to give a lecture about how to listen to music the right way.
Anyway, as said before, I have both the D8000 Pro and the Solitaire connected in front of me right now. I am sometimes blown away about how much micro information D8000 is able to carve out of even an old recording, like this:
...then I switch to Solitaire P for this exceptionally well made, spacious Nguyen Le album:
...and then comes your comments about curves and dB's...
All OK ,..
and pleasant joy with your good Music and your Headphones
and pleasant joy with your good Music and your Headphones
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