[Benno1988]

Haven't heard, but I would expect the Ebony hits hard and deep and probably a bassist headphone than the LCD. Wouldn't dismiss them.

 

[PointyFox]

How would the TR-X00 Ebony's bass compare to the LCD2C's (classic) bass? I'm guessing the X00 is no match for the LCD2C in bass impact or bass extension?

From what I've read I'd expect the opposite.

 

[cactus_farmer]

But I thought a dynamic driver cannot compete with planar driver in bass extension and impact?

 

[PointyFox]

But I thought a dynamic driver cannot compete with planar driver in bass extension and impact?

I believe a planarmagnetic driver can move faster but has less travel and moves less air than a dynamic, therefore should have less impact and extension while having faster bass. From what I've heard, the best bass has come from dynamic drivers. I've also read that planar have better bass extension and impact, but I think this rumor is false.

 

[HipHopScribe]

But I thought a dynamic driver cannot compete with planar driver in bass extension and impact?

It's important not to generalize too much because there's a lot of differentiation between even the same type of headphones, but what a well-tuned planar headphone can deliver is excellent bass extension (this is not the same as bass impact or bass quantity) and detail without boosting the bass above neutral, muddying the sound up or sacrificing accuracy and speed. A closed-back dynamic tuned like the TR-X00 Ebony will give you more impact and bass boosted well above neutral if that's what you're looking for. I think there's some confusion with what bass extension means, it means the bass is all there, as in those frequencies are being reproduced accurately, not that it's necessarily a bass-heavy sound

 

[phthora]

It's important not to generalize too much because there's a lot of differentiation between even the same type of headphones, but what a well-tuned planar headphone can deliver is excellent bass extension (this is not the same as bass impact or bass quantity) and detail without boosting the bass above neutral, muddying the sound up or sacrificing accuracy and speed. A closed-back dynamic tuned like the TR-X00 Ebony will give you more impact and bass boosted well above neutral if that's what you're looking for. I think there's some confusion with what bass extension means, it means the bass is all there, as in those frequencies are being reproduced accurately, not that it's necessarily a bass-heavy sound

Well said!

Planar bass can also sound much different. Since it usually lacks the distortion one hears in dynamic bass and has greater driver speed/shorter decay, even the same measured amount of bass may sound like less than dynamic bass. On the other hand, since good planar bass extends lower (i.e., produces lower frequencies without a significant drop in volume) there are often times when a song sounds warmer or weightier than on a comparable dynamic headphone. Those qualities make it difficult to talk about more or less bass without being more specific.

But I thought a dynamic driver cannot compete with planar driver in bass extension and impact?

Planars for bass extension; dynamics for bass impact. But, of course, that is an very reductive rule of thumb.

 

[Benno1988]

Choose a budget. Think about what you'll run them from. Then ask for help picking the best option.

Most headphone discussed here better than momentums...

 

[PointyFox]

The dynamic MDR-Z1R has just as much bass extension as the planar LCD-4, and both are TOTL.

 

[Redcarmoose]

The dynamic MDR-Z1R has just as much bass extension as the planar LCD-4, and both are TOTL.

Also maybe some should check out the MDR Z7. While I own both the MDR-Z1R and Z7; new Z7 headphones can be found on sale for a song.
I paid around $360 USD for mine.

The other thing to keep in mind is listening. Listening at times remains the one way to combat the contradictions in posts. There is no replacement to listening. It’s probably safe to say.... less warranty issues historically noted with Sony too?

 

[phthora]

The dynamic MDR-Z1R has just as much bass extension as the planar LCD-4, and both are TOTL.

Except that the LCD-4 is actually linear to 10hz, lacks the mid-bass hump, has faster impulse response yielding better resolution, and has much lower distortion in the bass. The Sony will make those very low sounds, but that is only a small part of the bass picture.

https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/sony-mdr-z1r-follow-measurements
https://www.innerfidelity.com/conte...-lcd-4-planar-magnetic-headphone-measurements

 

[Carlsan]

The headphones that I have heard with the best bass extension and impact was the original LCD2. The current version has the extension but not the great impact of the original. That said they are excellent in all ways above the TR-X00 Ebony except for slam.
You can save some money and pick up a used pair of thr X00's on ebay, I've seen some used pair, both 1st generation attached cable, and the current version, going ridiculously cheap. Then pick up a used pair of LCD's on the forsale forum here on Head-fi and you will be all set.

 

[legcramp]

How would the TR-X00 Ebony's bass compare to the LCD2C's (classic) bass? I'm guessing the X00 is no match for the LCD2C in bass impact or bass extension?

The Fostex/Denon line is a whole different ballgame when you want bass impact and extension compared to the LCD2/3. The opposite can be said for the vocals. For your situation you want one of the flavors from Fostex.

 

[Koolpep]

I want to weigh in - you want more low end bass - get Fostex TH-900, TR-X00 Ebony or some of the Denon recommendations here (I can vouch for the AH-D7100 and AH-D600). I have the LCD2 from 2014 (with fazor) - not a basshead can but it has lovely bass, less than the classic - hence the reissue.

The Sony Z7 are also a very nice recommendation as are the Beyerdynamic DT1770 and the Philips Fidelio X2HR. Otherwise for really lovely basshead bass look at IEMs the IMR Z1 Zenith, R2 Aten are brilliant in that department and I heard good things about the CA Atlas and Polaris 2 as well.

IF you are ok to EQ - you can do worse than the LCD2C - they can do plenty.

 

[cactus_farmer]

I want to weigh in - you want more low end bass - get Fostex TH-900, TR-X00 Ebony or some of the Denon recommendations here (I can vouch for the AH-D7100 and AH-D600). I have the LCD2 from 2014 (with fazor) - not a basshead can but it has lovely bass, less than the classic - hence the reissue.

The Sony Z7 are also a very nice recommendation as are the Beyerdynamic DT1770 and the Philips Fidelio X2HR. Otherwise for really lovely basshead bass look at IEMs the IMR Z1 Zenith, R2 Aten are brilliant in that department and I heard good things about the CA Atlas and Polaris 2 as well.

IF you are ok to EQ - you can do worse than the LCD2C - they can do plenty.

Thanks. With regards to Philips X2 I have those and they really don't do it for me basswise - not enough extension or impact. My DT 1990 Pro has more of both.

I was wondering whether either an Elex or Lcd2 Classic would be an upgrade in extension and impact over the DT 1990 Pro, but both might have problems. I'm thinking the Elex might have the impact but not the extension, and the Lcd2 Classic might have the extension but not the impact. I'm wondering which one of those 2 would offer a better combination of extension and impact - and whether either would be a meaningful upgrade of the bass in my DT 1990 Pro?

 

[Chris Kaoss]

Thanks. With regards to Philips X2 I have those and they really don't do it for me basswise - not enough extension or impact. My DT 1990 Pro has more of both.

I was wondering whether either an Elex or Lcd2 Classic would be an upgrade in extension and impact over the DT 1990 Pro, but both might have problems. I'm thinking the Elex might have the impact but not the extension, and the Lcd2 Classic might have the extension but not the impact. I'm wondering which one of those 2 would offer a better combination of extension and impact - and whether either would be a meaningful upgrade of the bass in my DT 1990 Pro?

The LCD-2C for sure.
It's better to go with the extension, couz if you put a little eq on them, they'll get the right impact. But you can't eq the missing extension.