[kelly]

So admitedly I'm not the biggest fan of Grados newer headphone lines. I got lucky and got to hear an HP-1 and found a sound I really liked. A *lot* of people disagree with me and really dig the newer Grado phones--especially the SR-325 and RS-1.

A handful of people think they're comfortable... but not many. Most of us agree that the Beyerdynamics and Sennheisers, while not incredible complicated are simply a lot more comfortable.

So...

When is someone going to get the hint that we'd like some phones with the sonic qualities of Grados and the fit of Beyerdynamics and Sennheisers? Does this seem just a little bit obvious to anyone else?

 

[ServinginEcuador]

Sounds like you're referring to my Sony CD3000s there Kelly. Although they sound better than any Grados I've ever heard, even the RS-1s by the way.

If I had time left before leaving I would send you my Sony's so that you can see just how good they are when teamed up with the RKV. They are just fabulous cans that deserve a second listen there kelly. Give 'em a chance with the RKV, you'll be impressed with them.

 

[kelly]

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Originally posted by ServinginEcuador Sounds like you're referring to my Sony CD3000s there Kelly. Although they sound better than any Grados I've ever heard, even the RS-1s by the way. If I had time left before leaving I would send you my Sony's so that you can see just how good they are when teamed up with the RKV. They are just fabulous cans that deserve a second listen there kelly. Give 'em a chance with the RKV, you'll be impressed with them.

I tell you what--bring them to the Head-Fi meet in Dallas this Saturday and I'll give them a shot.

But from my memory, CD3000 doesn't really sound anything like Grados. And, I'm quite sure they don't actually fit like Sennheisers or Beyerdynamics. (Most would argue they have an even better fit, but that's irrelevent.) The headband design of CD3000, R10, W100, W2002, etc. seems to me more complicated than the German cans I was referring to. I was kind of trying to "keep it simple."

 

[ServinginEcuador]

I didn't want to make them sound TOO good and say they sound better than Grados and fit better than Senns, but I guess between us we did. With your refined tastes and love for music I can totally see you loving this combe kelly. Seriously. They're just that good.

I leave the country on Tuesday, but if not I would send them to you for the meet. Too bad. Maybe someone else who owns them would be nice enough to let you guys use a pair for the meet Saturday.

 

[kelly]

I dunno how to say this but there is a fine line between liking a product and crusading it and that fine line is located about two knots aft. Not every thread is about CD3000 no matter how much you like them at this particular moment.

 

[fiddler]

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The headband design of CD3000, R10, W100, W2002, etc. seems to me more complicated than the German cans I was referring to. I was kind of trying to "keep it simple."

So... You'd have a problem with a headphone that sounds like Grado, but is even more comfortable than Beyers or Senns? I don't quite see the logic. Do complex headbands confuse you?

 

[kelly]

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Originally posted by fiddler So... You'd have a problem with a headphone that sounds like Grado, but is even more comfortable than Beyers or Senns? I don't quite see the logic. Do complex headbands confuse you?

One can't help but notice the inflated price of headphones with that headband design and wonder if there's a correlation. Ultimately a budget is always drawn and sacriifices are made to achieve that budget. I'd rather something akin to the German phones for comfort (as I have no complaints with their comfort) and the rest spent on trying the achieve sonic performance. Is this so complex to understand?

 

[ServinginEcuador]

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Originally posted by kelly I dunno how to say this but there is a fine line between liking a product and crusading it and that fine line is located about two knots aft. Not every thread is about CD3000 no matter how much you like them at this particular moment.

Totally inappropriate to the situation kelly. Your post stated Grado sonic qualities, not sonic characteristics. By qualities it is taken to mean good sounding cans.

Since you used the word "every" in reference to my posting and talking highly about these cans, you obviously are not qualified to say such a thing since you must not have read every post of mine since I bought them as I have posted on MANY other subjects without talking about the Sonys. I will not bite into your flame bait, and will leave this comment as it stands.

I see nothing wrong with trying to see if you'll give these headphones another chance. you're very biased against them, and I feel that if you gave them a chance with your RKV you would like them too. If that's cursading, I'm guilty. If all the owners of these cans love them to death, and rave about how they're one of the best dynamic cans out there, I'm not alone in my opinion. The only person missing out on how good they sound is you. If you don't give them a chance I'll still sleep good tonight.

 

[fiddler]

We're talking about all-out, big-bucks headphones here... why not just go all the way in every department? I mean, such a headphone has to be a real "signature piece"... any company striving to make such a product would probably end up spending money in areas that don't affect the sound.

 

[Jeff Guidry]

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Originally posted by ServinginEcuador Your post stated Grado sonic qualities, not sonic characteristics. By qualities it is taken to mean good sounding cans.

Holy hairsplitting Batman!

 

[jpelg]

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Holy hairsplitting Batman!

Hey, don't get me involved with this one. I'm staying clear

!

 

[grinch]

i wouldn't mind a headphone as kelly described. no matter how much i love the hp-1's, they can be a bit uncomfortable after long sits with them.

i think the cd3000's suck.

 

[slindeman]

I wonder how much of the Grado sound comes from the fit. I think at least a portion of it does. Just changing the pads made a large difference to the sound of my SR-125s. And I've modded a supraural set of Stax to be circumaural using Senn HD580 pads, and the sound changed drastically, even though my ears were still resting in nearly the same location with reference to the elements. They were more comfortable, but sounded worse. So I wonder if the Grado sound is easily achievable in a circumaural headphone or not. Probably, but I wonder.

On a side note here's my comfort rankings of Grados: 1. RS-1/2, 2. Plastic Grados with Radioshack pads, 3. Plastic Grados with comfy pads, 4. HP-2 with flat donuts, 5. Plastic Grados with bowl pads. None are as comfortable as I'd like, but I could live with either of the first two listed, but not with the others.

 

[Joe Bloggs]

I remember somebody fitting Senn pads on a Grado SR? And it came out sounding more like the Senns IIRC?

 

[Audio-Me]

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Originally posted by grinch i think the cd3000's suck.

I concur.