Soundcard, etc advice appreciated
May 25, 2009 at 10:56 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 7

Iosys

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I have a custom-built desktop PC with onboard Realtek audio. The motherboard is an Asus M3A. I have an issue with some crackle and other interference which seem to be related to graphics (busy web banners, for instance, make it worse), and the mouse wheel (scrolling up and down causes high frequency noise). I know this is most likely due to the onboard audio and all the other communication taking place on the board, but want to make sure before getting something else. I've tried muting the Line In/Mic inputs, but that didn't help. Tried upgrading audio drivers, etc, but that didn't help either.

My long term intention is to use my PC as my primary audio source along with a Cowon D2 for portability. At this stage, I have the D2 and I have a pair of Grado SR60is. As you can probably tell from all that, I'm very new to the headphone scene in the first place and, more importantly, very constrained when it comes to budgeting, especially for the foreseeable future. Nonetheless, I can't have this noise going on if I'm going to source from the PC.

One recommendation that seems to continually pop up across the internet, to solve this problem, is to use a dedicated sound card rather than onboard audio. I can see where this would help since, though it's plugged into the PCI bus and therefor prone to the same communication noise, it is (or should be) built to isolate itself from this noise or otherwise filter it out in ways the motherboard itself can't.

With the primary problem in mind, then, (the noise, etc), am I correct that I'm going to need a soundcard before worrying about DACs, etc? I would assume the audio source has to first be free of noise before running to other equipment. If this is correct and a soundcard is the first and foremost piece of equipment needed to solve the issue, then what is a good one for a budget? I can always upgrade down the road for optimum sound, but for the foreseeable future I just want a good card that would solve the noise issue and give me better or at least comparable audio output to the Realtek onboard audio. Being new at all this, I won't know what I'm missing yet with more expensive equipment (though I aim to find out as time goes by).

Anyway, any help with this would be much appreciated.
 
May 25, 2009 at 11:06 PM Post #2 of 7
I have a dedicated soundcard, and I heard noise when I scroll with the mouse too - using analogue outputs.

I've just connected onboard optical digital out to my processor and it's totally silent. So I'd recommend using digital out, either from onboard or with a quality "digital soundcard"
 
May 26, 2009 at 12:57 AM Post #3 of 7
Well I've had a look-see and I do have a digital output from the motherboard's I/O panel. However, it's a different connector type than the analog speaker outputs, so I'm assuming something else is going to be necessary. In spite of the fact that I frequently build computers, I've never come at it from the angle of quality sound, so this issue has never arisen - sorry for the total lack of knowledge here on what I need. The connection type is different, anyway, as my headphones won't plug in, so the next step would be to find out what goes in-between. Is this where DAC comes in, or what? Any suggestions on how to get from the digital output connection to the Grados in as few steps as possible? Thanks!
 
May 26, 2009 at 12:58 AM Post #4 of 7
Usually when you hear interference with your souncard when using mouse etc, one or more of your inputs are floating and picking up stray signals from the bus.
 
May 26, 2009 at 1:00 AM Post #5 of 7
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Originally Posted by Iosys /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Well I've had a look-see and I do have a digital output from the motherboard's I/O panel. However, it's a different connector type than the analog speaker outputs, so I'm assuming something else is going to be necessary. In spite of the fact that I frequently build computers, I've never come at it from the angle of quality sound, so this issue has never arisen - sorry for the total lack of knowledge here on what I need. The connection type is different, anyway, as my headphones won't plug in, so the next step would be to find out what goes in-between. Is this where DAC comes in, or what? Any suggestions on how to get from the digital output connection to the Grados in as few steps as possible? Thanks!


Your output on your mobo is either coax or optical. If you had a DAC/headphone amplifier combo. That would be the least steps possible if you want to go external units.
 
May 26, 2009 at 11:40 PM Post #6 of 7
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Originally Posted by ROBSCIX /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Your output on your mobo is either coax or optical. If you had a DAC/headphone amplifier combo. That would be the least steps possible if you want to go external units.


I'll research that out, then. Thanks!
 
May 27, 2009 at 12:19 AM Post #7 of 7
make sure the coax or optical can output different khz.
my onboard soundcard on my asus p5b is fixed at 48khz which means all my 44.1 stuff gets upsampled by the crappy internal dac
 

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