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Sony PCM M10 as portable player?
Feb 18, 2014 at 7:11 PM Post #212 of 250
zilch0md,
 
I did use the program but still have not gotten the cards to work.
 
Today I recieved the same SanDisk 64GB card you mentioned, full formatted it from ExFat to FAt32 32678 cluster size and it still does not work in the Sony PCM-M10. I am confused as to how this could be so. (I used the same program as you mentioned)
 
One SDHC I have also card doesn't work in the PCM-M10. I have tried the following microSD cards in the PCM-M10. For each one, I tried formatting it quick and full, and tried different cluster sizes to torubleshoot (always at least trying 32678):
 
Sandisk 32GB MicroSDHC Card Class 4 - Format has not been changed, came out of android phone with fat32 64k format. <-- this is the only one that works
Samsung 16GB MicroSDHC Class 10 Card - Does not work with PCM-M10 in any format. Gives 'format error' code. (an it's an HC not an XC)
Sandisk Extreme Plus 64GB MicroSDXC UHS-1 Card - Does not work in any format
Samsung 64GB MicroSDXC UHS-1 Card - Does not work in any format.
G.Skill 16GB MicroSDHC Card - Does not work in any format
 
The cards do show up on the computer when the PCM-M10 is plugged in via USB, but on the device itself, it wont read from any of the above card except one. I am an IT major dropout so I know a thing or two about formats- thus I don't think I'm making a mistake. I've sunk two days of troubleshooting into this.
 
If you go to Sony's site you see the model for the PCM-M10 is actually PCM-M10/B. Could there be a slightly revised model? That's my only guess at the moment.

Update:
I have found that the first card listed (SanDisk 32GB) does not fully work with the PCM-M10. It did not give the format error at first, but when I tried to record it did give an error like "File Corrupt" or "Recording Corrupt", something like that. It now says 'format error'.
 
I originally thought my microSD reader in the PCM-M10 was faulty, but then the one card worked- so I thought otherwise. Now I am leaning back towards a possibility of a faulty reader, but all the cards show up via USB through the PCM-M10, which would signify that the reader works.

I'm still fairly confused. Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 
 
Update #2:
I finally was desperate and was trying almost every combination. I formatted the new SanDisk 64GB SDXC that you mentioned with the program that you also mentioned. I used a 512 size, and then did a full format. When I came back I popped it in the PCM-M10 and it showed "Accessing..." for both the on-board and card memory, but it froze about 90% though on the progress bar. When I restarted the device, and then change the "Memory" setting in the menu to "Memory Card", it says Process Error. (a new error). Maybe this is nothing- but i've been able to reproduce the error with the other 64GB Samsung using 8192 as my allocation unit size.
 
Feb 19, 2014 at 8:47 AM Post #213 of 250
Wow, Host7 - how frustrating!  But there's hope...
 
This is analogous to the light bulb not working in the lamp.  
 
Which is bad?
 
Strategies:  
 
A) Try a proven light bulb in the suspect lamp
-or-
B) Try the suspect light bulb in a proven lamp.
 
From what I'm reading, you've done a lot of testing - all of it reasonable within the confines of what's available to you, but you don't have a proven lamp (a proven PCM-M10 in which to test suspect cards) and despite having a lot of light bulbs (a lot of cards) you don't really have a proven light bulb (a proven card with which to test your suspect PCM-M10).   
 
Thus, you're actually unable to perform either test A or test B, but probabilities suggest that your lamp is bad (having tried multiple unproven light bulbs).
 
Option: Given that the problem might be with the hardware you are using to reformat the cards, you could try doing so with an entirely different PC and card reader.
 
Option:  Lend me your suspect cards or lend me your suspect PCM-M10.  Either will do, but sending me your cards will tell us more about where the problem lies. 
 
If you PM me, I can give you my mailing address.
 
When I test your cards...
 
If I am able to use any of them in my proven PCM-M10, as is, without reformatting them, we'll know the problem is with your PCM-M10.  
 
If I have to reformat your cards to make them work fine in my proven PCM-M10, we'll know the problem lies somewhere in the hardware and software you are using to do the reformatting.
 
If I am unable to get any of the suspect cards to work in my proven PCM-M10, even after reformatting them in my proven reformatting hardware, we'll know the world is coming to an end.
 
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Mike
 
Apr 24, 2014 at 9:05 AM Post #218 of 250
host7 said:
  zilch0md,
 
I did use the program but still have not gotten the cards to work.
 
Today I recieved the same SanDisk 64GB card you mentioned, full formatted it from ExFat to FAt32 32678 cluster size and it still does not work in the Sony PCM-M10. I am confused as to how this could be so. (I used the same program as you mentioned)
 
One SDHC I have also card doesn't work in the PCM-M10. I have tried the following microSD cards in the PCM-M10. For each one, I tried formatting it quick and full, and tried different cluster sizes to torubleshoot (always at least trying 32678):
 
Sandisk 32GB MicroSDHC Card Class 4 - Format has not been changed, came out of android phone with fat32 64k format. <-- this is the only one that works
Samsung 16GB MicroSDHC Class 10 Card - Does not work with PCM-M10 in any format. Gives 'format error' code. (an it's an HC not an XC)
Sandisk Extreme Plus 64GB MicroSDXC UHS-1 Card - Does not work in any format
Samsung 64GB MicroSDXC UHS-1 Card - Does not work in any format.
G.Skill 16GB MicroSDHC Card - Does not work in any format
 
The cards do show up on the computer when the PCM-M10 is plugged in via USB, but on the device itself, it wont read from any of the above card except one. I am an IT major dropout so I know a thing or two about formats- thus I don't think I'm making a mistake. I've sunk two days of troubleshooting into this.
 
If you go to Sony's site you see the model for the PCM-M10 is actually PCM-M10/B. Could there be a slightly revised model? That's my only guess at the moment.

Update:
I have found that the first card listed (SanDisk 32GB) does not fully work with the PCM-M10. It did not give the format error at first, but when I tried to record it did give an error like "File Corrupt" or "Recording Corrupt", something like that. It now says 'format error'.
 
I originally thought my microSD reader in the PCM-M10 was faulty, but then the one card worked- so I thought otherwise. Now I am leaning back towards a possibility of a faulty reader, but all the cards show up via USB through the PCM-M10, which would signify that the reader works.

I'm still fairly confused. Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 
 
Update #2:
I finally was desperate and was trying almost every combination. I formatted the new SanDisk 64GB SDXC that you mentioned with the program that you also mentioned. I used a 512 size, and then did a full format. When I came back I popped it in the PCM-M10 and it showed "Accessing..." for both the on-board and card memory, but it froze about 90% though on the progress bar. When I restarted the device, and then change the "Memory" setting in the menu to "Memory Card", it says Process Error. (a new error). Maybe this is nothing- but i've been able to reproduce the error with the other 64GB Samsung using 8192 as my allocation unit size.
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I have the same exact problem. Brand new SanDisk SDXC 64GB from DealExtreme (http://www.dx.com/p/genuine-sandisk-micro-sd-tf-memory-card-w-sd-card-adapter-grey-red-64gb-class-10-154359#.U1kKTWSzudM) verified with H2testw. My SanDisk SDHC 4GB card works perfectly fine, also when I format it with guiformat.
 
Strange...
 
Apr 25, 2014 at 5:34 AM Post #220 of 250
zilch0md said:
  Wow! 
 
Well...  How about responding to this post (from above) as if I had written it for you?
 
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I really appreciate the offer. Shipping would take some time, as I live in Norway, so I'll test everything I can do here first (different card reader/computer/M10).
Strange that it works fine for so many others though! I wonder if Host7 solved his problem...?
 
UPDATE: I tried formatting with a friend's laptop using his card reader (I'd previously used a small MicroSD to USB converter). 32k cluster size quick format, formats perfectly fine, "FORMAT ERROR" in M10...
 
Apr 27, 2014 at 5:48 AM Post #223 of 250
seeteeyou said:
When the first microSDXC card from Sandisk came out a few years ago, someone here in Hong Kong was formatting that with an old card reader that didn't even support microSDXC to begin with

http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1830406

As a result, that card was pretty much "killed" by such card reader and finally the card was returned. Wash, rinse, and repeat but that replacement was also "killed" as well. Finally the 3rd one worked perfectly with a brand new card reader that's actually supporting microSDXC.
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Aha, so the card's formatting could have been broken before I received it? Or am I breaking it myself? I've been trying to format it first with a USB MicroSDXC Reader, which didn't work (gave the "FORMAT ERROR") (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Micro-Reader-Phone-Random-Economy/dp/B00F532JVA), and then my friend's old laptop's SDCard reader which probably doesn't support SDXC.
 
May 2, 2014 at 4:49 PM Post #224 of 250
UPDATE: So I tried formatting the card with my girlfriend's MacBook Air's card reader using the SanDisk microSDXC to SD adapter. I used OSX' Disk Utility and formatted to "MSDOS (FAT)". Guess what, now the M10 reads and writes to the card perfectly!! Then I tried to format it again using guiformat and the laptop that had failed me previously - now that works as well, both with microSDXC to SD adapter and microSDXC to USB adapter! Maybe Disk Utility "fixed" the SDXC-system in the card or something..? Strange... Oh well, it works! :)
 
UPDATE2: Tested formatting it again with OSX Disk Utility, but this time with the microSDXC to USB adapter and that breaks the card again. When using the microSDXC to SD adapter in the card reader, Disk Utility says something about SDXC in the status bar when formatting, so I guess that was it! Thanks to seeteeyou for giving me the idea of what the problem could be :)
 
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