SONY NW-WM1Z / WM1A
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Jul 21, 2017 at 2:43 AM Post #12,976 of 45,723
Jul 21, 2017 at 3:09 AM Post #12,977 of 45,723
I am using WM1A + Leonidas + Andromeda.

For Leonidas you will have a more open sound. Treble extend higher for me.

From what i read Lionheart is not a low focus cable but mid high.
I did miss a deal for leonidas which then lead me to lionheart. Maybe the copper itself could improve some bass area but mid-centric :frowning2:(
Truly almost all my upgrade is followed your base except for affort new leonidas
 
Jul 21, 2017 at 3:31 AM Post #12,978 of 45,723
I just did a little A-B listening between the Sony NW-WM1A and the Questyle QP1R. I find the Questyle to have a substantially more spacious soundstage. The QP1R also has nicer detail, separation, and sounds more natural. Both players are not the least bit fatiguing. The listening was done on 3.5mm SE, with Audio-Technica ATH-MSR7GMs. The Sony opens up a lot using my Shure SE846s in balanced mode; it will be interesting to see how both these players stack up if I can get a balanced cable for my Audio-Technica headphones. The QP1R has the definite advantage in sound quality in SE. Having said all this, I am still in awe of the Sony NW-WM1A! It is a very nice sounding DAP, and I just got 34 hours on the battery on the first go-around with 44.1khz/16 bit ALAC files. I am keeping them both...and my Lotoo Paw Gold Diana! I am becoming a DAP hoarder. Sony's user interface, artist thumbnail scroll, and album art display is miles ahead of ANY DAP Ihave used...including iPods.

I tend to agree with you. QP1R is more dynamic, with an airier and bigger stage. However, WM1A balanced brings the fight a bit closer. It has a encapsulating sound that's very addictive. It's also smoother and more full-bodied in notation. i don't think it loses out on detail from balanced. Two different flavours of a TOTL sound.
 
Jul 21, 2017 at 4:41 AM Post #12,979 of 45,723
Jul 21, 2017 at 5:34 AM Post #12,982 of 45,723
I know people are using the 3.5mm out as a line out but has anyone used the 4.4mm balanced output wired to 2 RCA's yet?

No...RCA is Single ended, regardless of how many you have....their sleeve are joined so they are Single Ended connection. You can connect RCA into Balanced, but you can not connect Balanced into RCA (single ended)
 
Jul 21, 2017 at 5:48 AM Post #12,983 of 45,723
No...RCA is Single ended, regardless of how many you have....their sleeve are joined so they are Single Ended connection. You can connect RCA into Balanced, but you can not connect Balanced into RCA (single ended)


What if you made your own with a quad cable so you one plug with L+ L- and one with R+ R-
I'm not saying it would stay balanced if you plugged it into an amp via RCA I'm just wondering if you'd see anything as opposed to using the 3.5mm output to 2 RCA's

http://m.ebay.com/itm/252846815493?_mwBanner=1&varId=551863023853
 
Jul 21, 2017 at 5:50 AM Post #12,984 of 45,723
What if you made your own with a quad cable so you one plug with L+ L- and one with R+ R-
I'm not saying it would stay balanced if you plugged it into an amp via RCA I'm just wondering if you'd see anything as opposed to using the 3.5mm output to 2 RCA's

http://m.ebay.com/itm/252846815493?_mwBanner=1&varId=551863023853

You can make anything with your own skills, doesn't matter. The problem is that whatever device your plug it into which has RCA , they have joined sleeve (negative polar). Unless you also customize your RCA to not have joined sleeve...then you wouldn't be asking such question :), stay safe.

It is a good thing that you asked before buying those. I see many reckless China cables. The mass production has standard for a reason, and every producers will have to abide. Good thing is that 4.4mm will be a standard too!
 
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Jul 21, 2017 at 7:19 AM Post #12,985 of 45,723
Lol, my first question to people would be...how to keep the plated materials on the copper reliably ? Nickel ...yes...it is nickel.

──無酸素銅筐体と金メッキの間に、銅・錫・亜鉛の三元合金メッキをかけた意図とは?
石崎 信之[メカ設計]

銅に直に金メッキを施してしまうと、メッキ上にどうしてもピンホールができてしまいます。ポータブルオーディオなので当然外に持ち出したり、指で触ったりするわけですが、そういった湿度が高い環境だとその小さな穴のところから錆びてくるので、間に絶対に下地メッキを入れる必要があるのです。
見た目の仕上がりに優れているので、通常はニッケルメッキを下地メッキに使うのですが……磁性体であるニッケルメッキは音に対して悪影響を与えてしまうので、今回は音質最優先で非磁性体である三元合金メッキを選びました。 このメッキで外観をきれいに仕上げるには、素材とメッキ工程ともに高いクオリティーが必要となり技術的な難易度が高いのですが、音質のためには絶対に譲れないところでしたね。

Refer to the interview at the sony WM1Z website, they plated the OFC body with a alloy mixture of copper, stannum and zinc. No nickel used as its magnetism affect the sound
 
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Jul 21, 2017 at 7:55 AM Post #12,986 of 45,723
──無酸素銅筐体と金メッキの間に、銅・錫・亜鉛の三元合金メッキをかけた意図とは?
石崎 信之[メカ設計]

銅に直に金メッキを施してしまうと、メッキ上にどうしてもピンホールができてしまいます。ポータブルオーディオなので当然外に持ち出したり、指で触ったりするわけですが、そういった湿度が高い環境だとその小さな穴のところから錆びてくるので、間に絶対に下地メッキを入れる必要があるのです。
見た目の仕上がりに優れているので、通常はニッケルメッキを下地メッキに使うのですが……磁性体であるニッケルメッキは音に対して悪影響を与えてしまうので、今回は音質最優先で非磁性体である三元合金メッキを選びました。 このメッキで外観をきれいに仕上げるには、素材とメッキ工程ともに高いクオリティーが必要となり技術的な難易度が高いのですが、音質のためには絶対に譲れないところでしたね。

Refer to the interview at the sony WM1Z website, they plated the OFC body with a alloy mixture of copper, stannum and zinc. No nickel used as its magnetism affect the sound

Great finding, yes it is for the WM1Z, they did it in a special way. But what about the wires from those cables. My main reason to avoid anything plated is just that, the prime layer in between. The reason why I adopted the Sony style of Z1R stock cables is because it did sound good, and much better than any typical Plated wires and cables I came across. So I adopted it :). However, pure materials are always better than Plated wires.
 
Jul 21, 2017 at 8:10 AM Post #12,987 of 45,723
You can make anything with your own skills, doesn't matter. The problem is that whatever device your plug it into which has RCA , they have joined sleeve (negative polar). Unless you also customize your RCA to not have joined sleeve...then you wouldn't be asking such question :), stay safe.

It is a good thing that you asked before buying those. I see many reckless China cables. The mass production has standard for a reason, and every producers will have to abide. Good thing is that 4.4mm will be a standard too!

Looking at it now I don't know why I asked that question
You can make anything with your own skills, doesn't matter. The problem is that whatever device your plug it into which has RCA , they have joined sleeve (negative polar). Unless you also customize your RCA to not have joined sleeve...then you wouldn't be asking such question :), stay safe.

It is a good thing that you asked before buying those. I see many reckless China cables. The mass production has standard for a reason, and every producers will have to abide. Good thing is that 4.4mm will be a standard too!
Looks like it's 3.5mm trs to 2 RCA's then or 3.5mm to 3.5mm line in , any personal preference?
 
Jul 21, 2017 at 9:12 AM Post #12,989 of 45,723
Wanted: A Custom Sony NW-WM1A/Z Line Out Dock cable to micro USB for my Hugo 2. Any sources would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance guys.

Wm1A/Z has no line out dock capability. It can only do digital out

Looking at it now I don't know why I asked that question

Looks like it's 3.5mm trs to 2 RCA's then or 3.5mm to 3.5mm line in , any personal preference?

You can use just anything for 3.5mm to RCA. There are a lot of them
 
Jul 21, 2017 at 9:45 AM Post #12,990 of 45,723
Wm1A/Z has no line out dock capability. It can only do digital out

Yep and he wants one that terminates in micro usb so he can use the A/Z as a digital transport into Hugo 2
 
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