[andrzejpw]

I'm not backing the recording industry, but trying to justify your actions this way is just silly. Sorry, I can't back you here.

 

[Rizumu]

This is Metallica though. Pirate all you want . Just for them.

 

[DarkAngel]

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Originally posted by mclaren20 this is probaly wrong on my part, but arent CD"s cheaper and faster to produce then viynl?

There is no doubt CDs are much cheaper to make vs vinyl records, but I remember back in 1985 paying $15 for new Cds and they are virtually the same price today almost 20 years later.

I suspect if adjusted for inflation from 1984 price, they should sell for close to $30 today.......so from that perspective they are much cheaper today.

 

[Rizumu]

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Originally posted by DarkAngel There is no doubt CDs are much cheaper to make vs vinyl records, but I remember back in 1984-85 paying $15 for new Cds and they are virtually the same price today almost 20 years later. I suspect if adjusted for inflation from 1984 price, they should sell for $30 today.......so from that perspective they are much cheaper today.

Actually I've seen research that shows that the inflation adjusted list prices of CDs since the early 1980's has been remarkably constant, really changing little at all.

 

[DarkAngel]

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Originally posted by Rizumu Actually I've seen research that shows that the inflation adjusted list prices of CDs since the early 1980's has been remarkably constant, really changing little at all.

I just did a little research to see if my "memory " of CD prices was correct. CDs first were sold retail in 1983 and the CPI inflation adjusted price of CDs would be $38 today vs 1983 price.

The average retail price of CDs in 1983 was actually $21 (now that's expensive!) so CDs are actually 32% cheaper now than they were in 1983. How many things are cheaper now than in 1983?

Also CDs today have 13 minutes more of music on average vs 1983 Cds.........so stop complaining, CDs have never been cheaper.

CD Price Research

 

[mclaren20]

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Originally posted by andrzejpw I'm not backing the recording industry, but trying to justify your actions this way is just silly. Sorry, I can't back you here.

Im not trying to say that we should download music. i am a teenager, and i dont download any more music. i stopped once, well when i started to come here. but i know that teenagers probaly downlaod the most music. all of my friends do it. they themselves also admit that they would buy more if CD's werent so expensive.


btw, this thread didnt turn out like i wanted, i meant it for the price of CD's not pirating music.

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Originally posted by Rizumu This is Metallica though. Pirate all you want . Just for them.

after i made the thread i thought the same thing.

 

[redshifter]

the actual production of a physical commercial cd is about us$3 i think, but most of the cost is in the production plants, which cost millions of dollars to build and require high maintenance areas like clean rooms.

 

[pikawel]

Time to find someone with a credit card, holmes.

http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showt...threadid=28301

It's all about the BMG

BMG + Half.com = all CD's under $7 with maybe a few $12 exceptions.

 

[Trounce]

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Originally posted by redshifter the actual production of a physical commercial cd is about us$3 i think, but most of the cost is in the production plants, which cost millions of dollars to build and require high maintenance areas like clean rooms.

Yea, you believe that all you want, and when you come out of denial, get back to us.

 

[markl]

90% of the cost of releasing a CD is in the promotion/marketing, not in the .05 plastic disc. All those stoopid phat multi-million dollar bling bling videos, ads, radio promotion, posters, stickers, and so on-- you're paying for that.

 

[arnett]

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Originally posted by markl 90% of the cost of releasing a CD is in the promotion/marketing, not in the .05 plastic disc. All those stoopid phat multi-million dollar bling bling videos, ads, radio promotion, posters, stickers, and so on-- you're paying for that.

thanks, markl. that's exactly what i was going to say.

we're also paying for recording costs, which, like movies, have skyrocketed in recent years. it can costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to record an album these days.

and then factor in this: only 1 out of every 10 CDs released actually break even.

 

[redshifter]

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Originally posted by Trounce Yea, you believe that all you want, and when you come out of denial, get back to us.

so prove me wrong, jerk-off, or ****.

 

[Trounce]

It costs few cents to imprint the CD image onto a piece of carbon plastic, or whatever they are made of. Sure, building plants cost millions of dollars, but when the output is in the millions of CDs per day, and is concentrated in major cities because recording studios commission their business to the CD manufacturers, the costs are negligible. And surely it is the payment by the studios to the manufacturers that keep the plant open, but when they are all paying them constantly to create and box CDs, the price of CDs wouldn't rise.

It is the blatantly extravagent lifestyles of the artists, the incorrigible marketing strategies and exorbitantly and unnecessarily large salaries of the studio execs that drive up CD prices.

And I completely concur: lower prices, and I will buy more CDs. Until then, it is pirating for me. Of course, though, without a shadow of a doubt I support my favourite artists, and they are numerous, but for the odd LP with one or two decent tunes, I am not going to shell out my hard-earned money for a nice case and a marketing push.

Redshifter, don't reduce this to child's provocation. I was not trying to start anything, and if you thought so, I apologize. But come on, grow up a little.

 

[bundee1]

***** this!! I remember only 5-6 years ago the Wiz sold all their cd's for $11.99-$14.99, then all of a sudden prices just went up $1 to $2. Probably because they were colluding with all the other retailers, and record companies that got sued last year. ***** the Wiz, they went out of business for having crap products at stupid high prices. ***** the record industry for doing the same with their product.

 

[pikawel]

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Originally posted by bundee1 ***** this!! I remember only 5-6 years ago the Wiz sold all their cd's for $11.99-$14.99, then all of a sudden prices just went up $1 to $2. Probably because they were colluding with all the other retailers, and record companies that got sued last year. ***** the Wiz, they went out of business for having crap products at stupid high prices. ***** the record industry for doing the same with their product.

I just wanted to add that * = "ruity so" and that the post should read as such:

Fruity sock this!! I remember only 5-6 years ago the Wiz sold all their cd's for $11.99-$14.99, then all of a sudden prices just went up $1 to $2. Probably because they were colluding with all the other retailers, and record companies that got sued last year. Fruity sock the Wiz, they went out of business for having crap products at stupid high prices. Fruity sock the record industry for doing the same with their product.

If in case I'm mistaken, please correct.