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Smallest TOTL DAP?

Discussion in 'High-end Audio Forum' started by ceeloChamp, Mar 27, 2018.
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  1. ceeloChamp
    Hey All,

    I have an Ibasso DX200, I love it. The different amps make a huge difference, the UI is a bit slow, but it has WiFi and I can use Tidal on it.

    The only reason I don't have a Sony WM1Z is that it doesn't have WiFi which makes it unusable for me, sadly.

    What is the smallest, WiFi enabled high-end DAP...preferably one that has a 2.5mm Balanced, but I could deal with just having a 3.5mm
     
  2. Whitigir
    Smallest in form factor ? I would say Opus 2 ATM. I am not sure if Opus will plan to release any newer flagship by year end, which I think they may. Keep in mind though, the larger form factor is not only for screen, it is more likely for more components. Sizes really does matter.
     
  3. ceeloChamp
    Yes I understand the bigger the more DACS, ram, etc...but DAPs get points for maximum portability. I hope they are releasing a new flagship, they just refreshed the #1, hopefully the #2 is next! Number ones usually happen around the same time as number 2s so we’ll see
     
  4. Raketen
    IDK any super high end options that combine smaller form factor AND wifi- most seem to be full Android in fat phone shape- There are a few non-android mid/budget daps that have these features though- Onkyo Rubato/DP-S1 (also the similar Pioneer dap) and the recently announced Hiby R3 both feature 2.5mm bal and are supposed to support Tidal via WiFi. I think AK70II might also?
     
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  5. Whitigir
    Only Android and IOS are the largest market with streaming services. Apple is not making anything worth while, so that leaves all android. Walkman have their streaming, but very little market and no YouTube or other mainstream services
     
  6. SilverEars
    You should look into Shanling M3S. That's the smallest good sounding DAP I'ved used and reasonably priced per performance. It's sized like a thicker version of ipod nano 1st gen(which is quite small compared to other players out there). Build quality is nice, and ui is quite functional and responsive with lots of options. It has 2.5 and 3.5mm and also functions as a usb DAC with AKM chip utilization.

    What is going for it is the very small size, with all the above functionalities.

    Only things it's missing is, touchscreen and no Tidal.

    Soon, they will release a tiny player M0 with a touchscreen. Probably tinier than the most recent ipod nano gen. I'm really digging Shanling.
     
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  7. ceeloChamp
    That sounds so promising, not having tidal is a huge blow though, can you not side load it on?

    I mean sound quality matters a lot more than size, but it’s even hard to find a TOTL player with:
    -WiFi
    -tidal
    -2.5 connector
     
  8. Whitigir
    May be requesting Apple to make a top of the line IPod :D
     
  9. ceeloChamp
    If only!

    If only Sony just included WiFi in their DAPs we wouldn't even have to have this conversation
     
  10. Whitigir
    They do, and it is called NW-ZX2 :)
     
  11. ceeloChamp
    Yeah, but it's not as good as their other DAPs...like WM1Z or even ZX300
     
  12. Whitigir
    :wink: who knows, maybe the next flagship will have it. It wouldn’t be cheap though, and not small kakaka, 1Z isn’t small
     
  13. ceeloChamp
    That's true, but I'm now thinking I can't have small and WiFi, Tidal, and TOTL sound :frowning2:
     
  14. Raketen
    Maybe good news for you and everyone that insists on spending half a year's rent on DAP: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-all-new-lotoo-paw-gold-touch-launching-tomorrow.875802/
    The old Paw Gold was a little chunky looking but AFAIK on the smaller side of high priced daps.

    (also I have seen a number of people who prefer ZX2 to the newer walkmen, so if you don't need gobs of power it might still be good option, still a bit large though IMO)
     
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  15. ceeloChamp
    Hell yeah! Definitely not small, but I have to come off that there is no getting small and HiFi....expensive, but still cheaper than that damn Sony WM1Z
     
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