Should I keep my LCD-2.2 (pre fazor)???
post-15729786
Thread Starter
Post #1 of 16

Hifiboi69

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
Mar 7, 2019
Messages
159
Reaction score
163
Location
Hifi heaven
Joined
Mar 7, 2019
Location
Hifi heaven
Posts
159
Likes
163
I just purchased an early LCD-2.2 (pre fazor). The previous owner said they were very lightly used. Should I sell before it turns into a paper weight? Why do these drivers fail!?

They sound amazing though. Slighty dark, smooth, with really good timbre. I am enjoying these a lot more than the more grainy sounding LCD2 Classic I had a few years ago. I also owned an og HE5le which was pretty good, but the timbre sucked. Also, it was a bit peaky in the treble and vocals. From the information I have gathered on these Lcd2’s and it’s evident qc issues these are now being given a unicorn type status 🦄

I was wondering if the drivers did go, maybe a gx driver would be swappable by Audeze. Here are some pics. Thoughts and opinions please! I also own Lambdas, HD580...
4DCA889C-56B8-42A6-9411-28168E52DE7A.jpeg
6C891096-2955-4243-B3AB-B27F96429D8A.jpeg
BB93F737-9469-46C1-AD2F-D2FBA1EFA66F.jpeg
 
Last edited:
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: metal571
post-15729872
Post #2 of 16

jenkinsontherun

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
Dec 8, 2019
Messages
143
Reaction score
49
Location
Canada
Joined
Dec 8, 2019
Location
Canada
Posts
143
Likes
49
The HD250's behind you are an absolute BEAST with tuning foam + thin pads, literally can't take them off.

How would you compare them to the pre-fazor LCD2's? What I loved about the HD250 was that the bass emanated from the subbass rather than the midbass, which is quite rare. I find "modern" headphones to have a lot of midbass bloat that ruins 70's rock.
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: Hifiboi69
post-15730535
Post #3 of 16

wazzupi

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Sep 27, 2006
Messages
1,957
Reaction score
377
Location
Miami, FL
Joined
Sep 27, 2006
Location
Miami, FL
Posts
1,957
Likes
377
I just purchased an early LCD-2.2 (pre fazor). The previous owner said they were very lightly used. Should I sell before it turns into a paper weight? Why do these drivers fail!?

They sound amazing though. End game! Balanced, smooth, with really good timbre. I am enjoying these a lot more than the LCD2 Classic I had a few years ago. I also owned an og HE5le which was pretty good, but the timbre sucked. From the information I have gathered these are turning into a unicorn 🦄

I was wondering if the drivers did go, maybe a gx driver would be swappable by Audeze. Here are some pics. Thoughts and opinions please! I also own Lambdas, HD580...4DCA889C-56B8-42A6-9411-28168E52DE7A.jpeg6C891096-2955-4243-B3AB-B27F96429D8A.jpegBB93F737-9469-46C1-AD2F-D2FBA1EFA66F.jpeg
Probably contact audeze and find out if they still have pre fazor drivers
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: Hifiboi69
post-15730605
Post #4 of 16

Bhk1004

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
Jun 14, 2017
Messages
109
Reaction score
100
Location
Nj
Joined
Jun 14, 2017
Location
Nj
Posts
109
Likes
100
Probably contact audeze and find out if they still have pre fazor drivers
My understanding is they do not. And if you send in for driver failure the only option is to upgrade to the new drivers.
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: Hifiboi69
post-15730664
Post #7 of 16

Hifiboi69

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
Mar 7, 2019
Messages
159
Reaction score
163
Location
Hifi heaven
Joined
Mar 7, 2019
Location
Hifi heaven
Posts
159
Likes
163
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: wazzupi
post-15731427
Post #8 of 16

pofofo

New Head-Fier
Joined
Mar 24, 2020
Messages
40
Reaction score
53
Location
Norway
Joined
Mar 24, 2020
Location
Norway
Posts
40
Likes
53
@bildar is right. Ive got a pair of pre-fazor LCD-2 as well. I just want to enjoy them, if they suddenly break, Ill be searching for something similar, but in the meantime, just relax and enjoy.
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: Hifiboi69
post-15731961
Post #9 of 16

Pharmaboy

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
May 22, 2016
Messages
3,765
Reaction score
4,076
Location
Goshen, NY
Joined
May 22, 2016
Location
Goshen, NY
Posts
3,765
Likes
4,076
I just purchased an early LCD-2.2 (pre fazor). The previous owner said they were very lightly used. Should I sell before it turns into a paper weight? Why do these drivers fail!?

They sound amazing though. Balanced, smooth, with really good timbre. I am enjoying these a lot more than the LCD2 Classic I had a few years ago. I also owned an og HE5le which was pretty good, but the timbre sucked. From the information I have gathered on these Lcd2’s and it’s evident qc issues these are now being given a unicorn type status 🦄

I was wondering if the drivers did go, maybe a gx driver would be swappable by Audeze. Here are some pics. Thoughts and opinions please! I also own Lambdas, HD580...4DCA889C-56B8-42A6-9411-28168E52DE7A.jpeg6C891096-2955-4243-B3AB-B27F96429D8A.jpegBB93F737-9469-46C1-AD2F-D2FBA1EFA66F.jpeg
For 2+ years I had a "unicorn" LCD-2.1 pre-fazor. It looked very similar to yours. The 1st owner assured me he'd put very few hours on them (I talked to him at length on the phone & tend to believe him); this was supported by the near-perfect condition of the headphone & earpads, which were original. I had the same thought you had about drivers, risk of failure, etc. But along the way I read a great many comments from LCD-2.x users.

Some of the user comments led me to believe that driver failures were often sudden, occurring early in the lifespan of the headphones, and not necessarily connected with abuse (ie, too much volume). Other comments suggested that any pre-fazor Audeze drivers that fail get replaced w/new fazor drivers. That's good news/bad news: they can be repaired; but they'll no longer be pre-fazor. I really don't care for the fazor drivers I've heard (though many prefer them)--making this useful knowledge.

It occurred to me that if the drivers on my circa-2012 LCD-2.1 hadn't failed yet, they might not ever fail. So I did what @bildar suggested--relaxed and enjoyed them. I sold them last week only because I wasn't using them much anymore. But the drivers held up perfectly--no surprise, since I had multiple headphones and listened sparingly to any one.
 
post-15732047
Post #10 of 16

Hifiboi69

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
Mar 7, 2019
Messages
159
Reaction score
163
Location
Hifi heaven
Joined
Mar 7, 2019
Location
Hifi heaven
Posts
159
Likes
163
@Pharmaboy @bildar @pofofo Thanks for your reply’s, encouragement and help!

I’m done looking for any more headphones for the time being. Any suggestions to a detailed amp that would pair well with the lcd2.2? I’m using an Emotiva basx a100 right now. Balanced might be the way to go here, but I’m still debating:)
 
     Share This Post       
post-15732974
Post #11 of 16

Pharmaboy

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
May 22, 2016
Messages
3,765
Reaction score
4,076
Location
Goshen, NY
Joined
May 22, 2016
Location
Goshen, NY
Posts
3,765
Likes
4,076
@Pharmaboy @bildar @pofofo Thanks for your reply’s, encouragement and help!

I’m done looking for any more headphones for the time being. Any suggestions to a detailed amp that would pair well with the lcd2.2? I’m using an Emotiva basx a100 right now. Balanced might be the way to go here, but I’m still debating:)
I can't see your profile, so I'm kinda shooting in the dark here. Regardless, a few suggestions:

Liquid Carbon v2: It's no longer made. A clone of the original is offered now & then by Drop. I read that it licenses the same Cavalli circuit in the LC--but I also read one member's assessment that it doesn't sound quite as good as the original LC...? No idea since I've only heard the original. One of the Drop versions w/German voltage/plus is F.S. at link below:

https://www.willhaben.at/iad/kaufen-und-verkaufen/d/alex-cavalli-liquid-carbon-x-391834005/

The LC is a fascinating amp IMO: quite small; powerful; can accept balanced cables in; can output in both single-ended & balanced. Both my DACs are single-ended, so that's what I input to the LC. I usually used balanced headphones/cables on the LC. Early on I did a little comparing of balanced output vs SE output, found the usual (rather small) differential in favor of balanced (primarily a bit more soundstage space/dimension). One of the reasons this amp fascinates me is that, although it's on the warm/bassy side, it often "locks in" & provides real synergy with headphones also regarded as somewhat warm & bassy. It did that w/my LCD-2.1; also w/Fidelio X2, ZMF Ori, LCD-3/pre-fazor (since sold).​

Violectric V280/V281: I have the V281 and it's my best & favorite electronics item. Every headphone sounds good with it. It's another slightly warm SS amp that also has authoritative bass, epic dynamics & great soundstage. I've met the designer, Fried, and am always impressed by his designs and his company.

Re detail, I never know what's meant by that. It could simply mean an amp that sounds, well, detailed; but it could also mean amps that sound cold, sharp, forensic--"accurate." If that's your preferred sound, perhaps the cheapest/well regarded option is the Drop THX AAA 789 (review below). Few owners talk about it sounded great, but many praise it for power & neutrality.

https://www.headfonia.com/drop-thx-aaa-789-review/
 
Last edited:
     Share This Post       
post-15732989
Post #12 of 16

bagwell359

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Nov 10, 2016
Messages
2,560
Reaction score
1,685
Location
NNW of Boston
Joined
Nov 10, 2016
Location
NNW of Boston
Posts
2,560
Likes
1,685
Vote for the V281, that's A 25/30 year keeper.
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: Hifiboi69
post-15733217
Post #13 of 16

Chris Kaoss

1000+ Head-Fier
Joined
Aug 18, 2019
Messages
1,251
Reaction score
709
Location
Bavaria
Joined
Aug 18, 2019
Location
Bavaria
Posts
1,251
Likes
709
Vote for the V281 too.
You can't go wrong with. :wink:
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: Pharmaboy
post-15738876
Post #14 of 16

xRaptorxPunisher

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
Feb 3, 2019
Messages
335
Reaction score
287
Location
The Rapture
Joined
Feb 3, 2019
Location
The Rapture
Posts
335
Likes
287
It's hard to say, you'd think that at the age they are, that if they were going to fail, they would've but the older drivers and materials were more fragile and it's possible to kill your headphones by simply putting them on wrong one day.

a current LCD-2F will give you a similar FR but there's still a lot of variation going around so it is luck of the draw. If they fail it is only a 250 fix for both drivers so not the end of the world and for now you have the benefits of having a classic Audeze sound, if by chance you have a grade A drivers you arguably have the best Audeze in your hands assuming there's no veiling issues, compression and everything is poppy, great flow, gentle darkness with nice low end rumble, liquid smooth sound.
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: Hifiboi69

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)

Top