lojay
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Hello fellow headphone geeks!
My friend has bought a SR 225, burnt in for 30+ hours. I had the honour to AB it for 2 hours at ear shattering volumes with my 497's; the rival of what? the SR 60's!? I must be crazy to AB them with the 225s
. But given that my five month old 497s are fully burnt in and the 225's just have 30 hours of burn in (i mean really burning in, rather than merely listening), they'll make a fun listening in comparison. All I wanted to do was make my friend feel sick by the thought that my Senn's could be better than her 225's, which are around 3 times more the cost of my 497's.
/*This is by no means a REVIEW. I am a newb.*/
The upcoming comparison will sound crazy to most, maybe you'll hate me too. I feel like that guy who ripped open his Mac G5 and put a Athlon inside......
We listened to DSOM by Pink Floyd at first, but she said it was boring, then Blackwater Park by Opeth, but she said...
"the organs sound a bit too loud....wait... *scream!*"
Steely Dan's "Katy Lied" and "Aja" sounded more engaged in the 225's and muffled in the 497's. Is that what you want to hear?
The wind / brass (eg the sax on "Peg") instruments sounded very similar on both cans, and the soundstage was simlar as well. It was the veiled Donald Fagen's voice and the guitars (which sounded like they were put into a box) that made the 497's lack color. And color is something you would like for jazz pop.
But the Senn's veil was only on for these recordings only, as long as I recall. Later i figured the Senn's to have a more outstanding/ unveiled reproduction of particular instruments or voices. So both draw on this matter.
For some albums, such as "Godspeed You Black Emporer's Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antenna's To Heaven's Storm" (lol) sounded more vivid and better on the Senns, which VERY suprised me.
Dave Brubeck's "Blue Rondo la Turk" and "Take Five" were both good on these cans, but I'm sure the 225's would out perform the Senns if it were fully burnt in, or my source was better.
In Masada and John Zorn's "Masada in Middleheim" , Zorn's live performances were both muffled on these cans.
On King Crimison, Genesis and Pink Floyd, all art rock, the sparse or spacey parts were both done similarly in both cans, but the 225 sounded more like "a live performance" than 497's "to-the-mic recording studio". I suppose its due to the Senn's semi-closed nature
... did I mention that although both are open cans, the Grado leaks at least 50% more sound than the Senns?
On ALMOST everything, the detail perceived is very equal, which scares me. As I've heard many head-fi'ers comment on first hearing the senns, they say it "does almost everything right". But neither headphone sounds more like the real instrument, nor are vocals clearer on any of them. I'm amazed how they sound so similar. Affinity towards wither would be due to ahem, a psychological cause - it is 3 times expensive.
To sum up so far:
1.) 1/2 of my collection sounded similar on the 225s, and I know clearly how they should sound on my Senns, as I'm using the original sources i plug them in everyday. Another 1/2 of that the 497s sounded better (eg. most Jazz, even some rock).
2.) The other 1/2, 1/4 of the 1/2 sounds a much better on the 225's, the 3/4 rest has the 225 win by a millimeter.
3.) We figured the price of the 225 should be definetely reduced by half, cause I was expecting MUCH MORE (in the detail, impact and "rocking" departments), even not including soundstage. Clearly I'm already not a soundstage and detail freak.
So except Steely Dan, what sounded REALLY better on the Grado SR 225's? My David Bowie collection. Not even did AC/DC or Black Sabbath (or Opeth) provide such a huge difference that could moved me a bit. David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust blew be away on the Grados! It really rocked, putting the vocals and the guitars upfront, where the Senns put them behind the drums and bass guitars. Sometimes the main/ lead singers must be put upfront to ROCK ! Sometimes it'll be annoying. Ackwardly, the lead's were not so upfront as in AC/DC, Black Sabbath or Genesis or Pink Floyd. Wonder why is that?
Also to mention, the soundstage on some Rock recordings have a more distinctive separation of instruments, though only laterally, not in a 3 dimension.
Lastly, here are some things to clarify:
1.) The lack in detail and "air" in both cans (well I can't say there's any lack, since theyre similar) may be due to my bad source. I use only a portable CD player (Panasonic SLSX, one that headroom used to recommend) and no amp (although headroom says both grado and senns need an amp to work best, I tried many amps and failed to find any difference)
2.) I must admit, my music I used to AB them were not a bit diverse, if you have any ideas on what I should AB them with next time (my friend lives next door) ....feel free to suggest.
3.) Again, maybe the Grados will sound better with a better source. I want to tell you that I feel that the 497 and 225 don't have the very extreme "grado harshness/brightness" or "sennheiser veil" that many suggest, nor do I prefer any of them. But my friend did say that she found the grados a bit harsh with hard rock, but HEY that's how it should sound
perhaps I should give her the 325 to see whats really harsh!
Plz comment! But don't diss me just coz I didn't AB with "Kind of Blue" or your favourite -insert- album.
My friend has bought a SR 225, burnt in for 30+ hours. I had the honour to AB it for 2 hours at ear shattering volumes with my 497's; the rival of what? the SR 60's!? I must be crazy to AB them with the 225s
/*This is by no means a REVIEW. I am a newb.*/
The upcoming comparison will sound crazy to most, maybe you'll hate me too. I feel like that guy who ripped open his Mac G5 and put a Athlon inside......
We listened to DSOM by Pink Floyd at first, but she said it was boring, then Blackwater Park by Opeth, but she said...
Steely Dan's "Katy Lied" and "Aja" sounded more engaged in the 225's and muffled in the 497's. Is that what you want to hear?
But the Senn's veil was only on for these recordings only, as long as I recall. Later i figured the Senn's to have a more outstanding/ unveiled reproduction of particular instruments or voices. So both draw on this matter.
For some albums, such as "Godspeed You Black Emporer's Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antenna's To Heaven's Storm" (lol) sounded more vivid and better on the Senns, which VERY suprised me.
Dave Brubeck's "Blue Rondo la Turk" and "Take Five" were both good on these cans, but I'm sure the 225's would out perform the Senns if it were fully burnt in, or my source was better.
In Masada and John Zorn's "Masada in Middleheim" , Zorn's live performances were both muffled on these cans.
On King Crimison, Genesis and Pink Floyd, all art rock, the sparse or spacey parts were both done similarly in both cans, but the 225 sounded more like "a live performance" than 497's "to-the-mic recording studio". I suppose its due to the Senn's semi-closed nature
... did I mention that although both are open cans, the Grado leaks at least 50% more sound than the Senns?
On ALMOST everything, the detail perceived is very equal, which scares me. As I've heard many head-fi'ers comment on first hearing the senns, they say it "does almost everything right". But neither headphone sounds more like the real instrument, nor are vocals clearer on any of them. I'm amazed how they sound so similar. Affinity towards wither would be due to ahem, a psychological cause - it is 3 times expensive.
To sum up so far:
1.) 1/2 of my collection sounded similar on the 225s, and I know clearly how they should sound on my Senns, as I'm using the original sources i plug them in everyday. Another 1/2 of that the 497s sounded better (eg. most Jazz, even some rock).
2.) The other 1/2, 1/4 of the 1/2 sounds a much better on the 225's, the 3/4 rest has the 225 win by a millimeter.
3.) We figured the price of the 225 should be definetely reduced by half, cause I was expecting MUCH MORE (in the detail, impact and "rocking" departments), even not including soundstage. Clearly I'm already not a soundstage and detail freak.
So except Steely Dan, what sounded REALLY better on the Grado SR 225's? My David Bowie collection. Not even did AC/DC or Black Sabbath (or Opeth) provide such a huge difference that could moved me a bit. David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust blew be away on the Grados! It really rocked, putting the vocals and the guitars upfront, where the Senns put them behind the drums and bass guitars. Sometimes the main/ lead singers must be put upfront to ROCK ! Sometimes it'll be annoying. Ackwardly, the lead's were not so upfront as in AC/DC, Black Sabbath or Genesis or Pink Floyd. Wonder why is that?
Also to mention, the soundstage on some Rock recordings have a more distinctive separation of instruments, though only laterally, not in a 3 dimension.
Lastly, here are some things to clarify:
1.) The lack in detail and "air" in both cans (well I can't say there's any lack, since theyre similar) may be due to my bad source. I use only a portable CD player (Panasonic SLSX, one that headroom used to recommend) and no amp (although headroom says both grado and senns need an amp to work best, I tried many amps and failed to find any difference)
2.) I must admit, my music I used to AB them were not a bit diverse, if you have any ideas on what I should AB them with next time (my friend lives next door) ....feel free to suggest.
3.) Again, maybe the Grados will sound better with a better source. I want to tell you that I feel that the 497 and 225 don't have the very extreme "grado harshness/brightness" or "sennheiser veil" that many suggest, nor do I prefer any of them. But my friend did say that she found the grados a bit harsh with hard rock, but HEY that's how it should sound
Plz comment! But don't diss me just coz I didn't AB with "Kind of Blue" or your favourite -insert- album.