Shanling M2x - TIDAL || Wi-Fi || Both-way LDAC BT & BT Transmitter || Advanced USB transport || FW 2.7
Apr 9, 2019 at 2:20 AM Post #91 of 701

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Unfortunately this is not the case. Tidal is open to cooperation with smaller Hi-Fi focused manufacturers, Spotify simply doesn't care and just pushes it to smartphone users.

So Tidal yes, Spotify no.

That's too bad. Was hoping to be able to stream from the player instead of Bluetooth from phone. Any chance spotify will be implemented in the future?

Yes, making short impression in 1-2 days :)

Full review soon, I'm actually not even doing the video before I get the greenlight from Shanling, since the firmware is still in updates

BTW, I did the firmware update last night, and man, it is quick and snappy now.

My first thought is that it sounds absolutely lovely, just tested it with HIFI Sundara, and I love the sound. I really mean it, I'm blown away, really vivid and engaging.

Can you try checking if it being as an external DAC and Bluetooth receiver, does it suffer from any latency issues?
 
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That's too bad. Was hoping to be able to stream from the player instead of Bluetooth from phone. Any chance spotify will be implemented in the future?

Only if somebody manages to convince Spotify.
 
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That's too bad. Was hoping to be able to stream from the player instead of Bluetooth from phone. Any chance spotify will be implemented in the future?

Can you try checking if it being as an external DAC and Bluetooth receiver, does it suffer from any latency issues?

The Bluetooth receiver will always have some latency, and won't be possible to use BT for watching movies or playing games.

As for using it as a USB DAC, checking right now. Well, seems it doesn't have any delay for me, tried with some games, tried with Youtube and MPC-HC with videos, especially some music videos that need spot-on timing.

Only if somebody manages to convince Spotify.

We can try to! :)
 
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Only if somebody manages to convince Spotify.

Let's make a change.org petition! That always work! /s

Well that's too bad really. Wanted spotify because Tidal doesn't have as much music as spotify (last time I checked a few months ago)

The Bluetooth receiver will always have some latency, and won't be possible to use BT for watching movies or playing games.

As for using it as a USB DAC, checking right now. Well, seems it doesn't have any delay for me, tried with some games, tried with Youtube and MPC-HC with videos, especially some music videos that need spot-on timing.

That's true. The Bluetooth thing is ok as long as it's not too bad.
USB DAC is more important for my usage so it's good to know there is little to no delay. Had tried the Sony A55 DAP because it's in the same price bracket and that was embarrassing. So had to scratch that off the list.
 
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The Bluetooth receiver will always have some latency, and won't be possible to use BT for watching movies or playing games.

All Bluetooth codecs apart from aptX low latency have latency that can be noticed by user. It's more about settings, software and system on your smartphone / computer.

I encountered phones that automatically sets audio latency for Bluetooth connection.
Good video players on phones also have latency setting exactly for use with Bluetooth.

So for watching movies and TV Shows? No problem.
Youtube can be more tricky and depends on what phone are you using.
 
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Apr 10, 2019 at 6:37 PM Post #98 of 701

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All Bluetooth codecs apart from aptX low latency have latency that can be noticed by user. It's more about settings, software and system on your smartphone / computer.

I encountered phones that automatically sets audio latency for Bluetooth connection.
Good video players on phones also have latency setting exactly for use with Bluetooth.

So for watching movies and TV Shows? No problem.
Youtube can be more tricky and depends on what phone are you using.

My Mi Max 3 isn't the best to test, it is a cheap generic smartphone and doesn't seem to have smart BT corrections.

On this point though, if watching movies on Windows, you can also add delay to audio from MPC-HC the main video player for Windows.

But to remain fair, I would not recommend any single BT connection for movie watching to beginners, I simply don't feel it will be hassle-free for everybody. This holds true for all manufacturers and products, not just M2X :) Also true for Bluetooth headests in my book.

Will this dap drive correctly the sennheiser hd6xx 300 ohms headphones..???...thanks

Depends on what you consider "drive correctly".

As long as it would get loud enough, it would be a maybe.

It isn't a power horse, just 106mW in 32 OHM Single Ended, and about 200mW into 32 OHM in balanced mode. So on paper, it isn't really special.

But the sound itself, OH MAN, does M2X sound good. It just doesn't seem to go quite that loud with hard to drive stuff, but man...

It isn't the detail only, it is the dynamics, and the layering, the emotion, the nuance. It is sparkly, but it isn't cold. It has impact, but it isn't too warm. Man, it sounds really nice.

Most of my testing was done with Sundara BTW, I'd expect similar results with HD6XX, Sundy doesn't have that high impedance, but is also fairly hard to drive, and really hard to master.
 
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I didn't think the M2X was available yet, at least not in US?

It isn't and I'm not from US :)

I'm a reviewer :)

With previous M3s I would say maybe not enough power with 3.5 mm single end but someone has used mod balanced cable for Sennheiser HD6xx. With that balanced output, it may drive correctly!

Using the balanced output should help :)
 
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I didn't think the M2X was available yet, at least not in US?

Coming to international market during May.

Will this dap drive correctly the sennheiser hd6xx 300 ohms headphones..???...thanks

For such hard to drive dedicated home headphones, M2X would be not enough. For HD6xx I would recommend going with much more powerful M5s.

With previous M3s I would say maybe not enough power with 3.5 mm single end but someone has used mod balanced cable for Sennheiser HD6xx. With that balanced output, it may drive correctly!

M3s in balanced output was almost two times more powerful than M2X.
 
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Thanks,Im on the fence on if I should wait for their release or get the Fiio M6 which seems similar. Have you heard the M6 and could you comment how its SQ stands against the M2X? Thanks

Sonics alone, M2X is more vivid, more lively, has more emotion and engagement. M6 is more neutral and more flat overall. M6 feels like it has more bass impact though. Need more time to test before I can say for sure, but what I could tell from the start is that M2X is really dynamic and has a nice emotional sound.

In terms of display, M6 wins, software, also M6 wins so far. M2X has no apps at this moment, but I understood that Shanling plans to add Tidal to it, so there's that. FiiO's whitelist is huge by this point, there's not denying that.

If you're using a microSD card, I'd lean towards M2X if you want a more vivid sound, while if you're using streaming services, M6 is still the one I recommend more. M2X's software may still be in beta until it is released internationally, so I hope we'll see as much streaming as possible on M2X!

I think both are really excellent example of ergonomic, well made devices.

Both have airplay and are compatible with Roon. Man M2X sounds good, now that I'm testing it a bit more :)
 
Apr 11, 2019 at 12:13 AM Post #105 of 701

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Fiio M6 is android based, thats the reason it has facilities with streaming. I dont care about streaming and hate Android. Android is just bad for a dap.... it is just the easy solution to add more features and sell more.... M2x is a winner for me. Shanling is brave and they are pushing harder their own OS. We should valorate that instead of brands that goes with Android... just my opinion of course
 

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