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Shanling M0 - Nano size, touch screen, LDAC & aptX BT, USB DAC/transport and ESS Sabre ES9218P, FW 3.2

Discussion in 'Portable Source Gear' started by Shanling, Mar 16, 2018.
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  1. Arries Tolentino
    Dry capacitors don't need burn-in. There are tiny changes in values/parameters with time, but the values are not critical in any case. Electrolytes need reforming if they have been unused for a long time, but typical electrolytes have enormous tolerances (and the electronics are designed to deal with that).
  2. abitdeef
  3. abitdeef
    Capacitance does change in capacitors over time with load- it’s a fact. Don’t want to derail the thread anymore.
  4. Vimtoman
    Had to laugh at that link and the debate subject.

    That difference in tolerance change stated in the link really is not a big change.

    Your only going to notice anything when the capacitor degrades :)

    Really guys it depends on whether your ears are going to even notice the difference in component ageing.

    And if it improves the sound? :)

    I always hear people saying it sounds better .Not worse.

    If anything 200hrs is going to burn in your ears and headphones ,maybe change your subjective thoughts regarding to the sound.

    Always better....
  5. technobear
    Give it up Mr Deef. There is no argument known to man, no matter how reasonable or scientifically proven, that will penetrate such a fog of stupidity. Burn-in deniers are right up there with flat-earthers and probably believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth.

    There is enough evidence concerning burn-in and break-in forever enshrined in this forum, both from personal experience and scientific measurement, that further debating the subject with deniers is pointless.
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  6. headwhacker
    It's most likely our heads adapts to the sound overtime which makes us feel the sound is better. I believe, its similar effect when you go inside a pitch black room. You don't perceive anything immediately but after a couple of minutes you start to see things around though it's still dark.
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  7. greatwhite58
    Wow it’s getting a bit heated on here about burn in. I would imagine there are links you could put to both arguments and it will be argued about for infinity. Some hear it and some don’t , it could be true and it could be false. Who knows? There is so much said about this type of thing and none to my knowledge has been proved beyond doubt in double blind listening tests. I just buy a well rated item and sit back and enjoy the music without giving a hoot wether the capacitors have changed or the copper in the wire is up to snuff and I don’t even rest my cable on small blocks of wood.
  8. stenog
    I don't think I have ever seen any evidence or scientific measurements to prove burn in. If you know of any please post them here.

    That said I am not anti burn in. I do believe something is going on, be it burn in or brain in. But I've yet to see any manufacturer show measurements before and after burn in.
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  9. chasolla
    I think that the scientists call it confirmation bias.

    We're all gullible fools.

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  10. Zachik
    Wait! What???
    I am willing to swear my religion studies teacher explicitly told us the sun revolves around earth!!! Gotta do some more research... :nerd:
  11. greatwhite58
    So if I don’t believe burn in happens then I must believe that the earth is flat :triportsad: Well I believe that the earth is round and we orbit the sun but I have no proof of burn in. I’m left confused.
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  12. Arries Tolentino
    Screenshot_2018-07-29-12-28-04.png Screenshot_2018-07-29-12-28-07.png Screenshot_2018-07-29-12-28-04.png Screenshot_2018-07-29-12-28-07.png Here r your replies
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  13. paddler57
    I thought everything revolved around me. Now I'm really confused.
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  15. abitdeef
    I’m very sorry this topic was brought up, wether physiological or physical I did notice a difference in sound after some playing time. It doesn’t matter the reason why I perceived a change, but I did.

    The whole subject of sound is subjective so discussing the finer points is like discussing politics or religion. I have seen gear that measures almost indentical in specs and uses the same components but sounds very different.

    Trust your own ears, because how it sounds to you is all that really matters. I still believe implimentation is more important than dacs and what not. And I believe iems and cans play the most important role in shaping the sound as pretty much all modern gear measures very good to excellent spec wise.

    And I’m sorry for being snippy, I got 30 shots in the face yesterday and had a very large basil cell carcinoma removed and had a face flap reconstruction. So I’m not in a very good mood.
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