[Wexrilliams]

What’s really funny is that no one here owns Meze and yet everyone is butt hurt about the design. Guys, if Shanling did copy Meze’s design let Shanling and Meze Audio deal with it. It’s none of our business. Let’s move on.

Didn't realize pointing out theft of intellectual property and design infringement were classified as being "butt hurt". What are you a middle schooler?

It doesn't take an economist to understand that without strong IP protections, the market stagnates and innovation is seriously crippled thereby directly harming the consumer. Regardless of who "owns meze", it is in the consumers best interest in the long run to call out infringement to prevent stagnation.

 

[GREQ]

When HD came out, Sony had already moved on something new and it was something like 15 years ago.

Please re-read my post again, especially the part where the HD800 came out 5 years after the Sonys and the Shanling came out 6 years after the Meze.

At this point we don't know how long the long the Meze products will be for sale, so you're point about 15 years is utterly moot.

 

[andrewchoppa]

The only reason people are suggesting, wrongly, that it's a copy of a Meze design. I turned around in my chair, and honestly, if it weren't for the orange rods on a black headphone, nobody would be commenting as they are. Inspired? Obviously. The same? No.

If even that is too much for people, why not complain about HFM using an adjustment system similar to Stax, or anyone using a click-adjustable rod system as ripping off Audeze, or even accuse DCA of copying Meze's self-adjusting headband in the 99 Classics? Go even further, and anyone using a sliding rod of any kind is ripping off Grado.

Really there are only so many ways to design a headphone adjustment system, and most headphones are inspired to some degree by others. Very little is true innovation. If Shanling were inspired by Meze, so what? Great aesthetics always inspire others to do something similar.

Agreed - there'd be no Metallica or Led Zeppelin without Bach and Vivaldi...........

 

[andrewchoppa]

I would argue as well that it is not just the Yoke and Rod system, but also copying the comfort strap styling and band styling.

There'd be no Metallica or Led Zeppelin without Bach or Vivaldi.......................

 

[andrewchoppa]

Wow - I love this hobby but there are a lot of people here with WAYYYYYY to much time on their hands. Just enjoy new products peeps...... and like an audio genius keeps saying "be kind to each other".............. I must be a big kid, coz I'm excited by just about every new product on the market......

 

[Shanling]

For the design of the headband, it was decision made by the top of our management.

We discussed it within company and also with many people at the Hi-Fi shows we visited this year with the HW600. Our management was aware of the early feedback.

And we appreciate your feedback in this thread and we will make sure to forward it to our management.

But our customer support team will not comment on this directly.

 

[TheHipsterCow]

There'd be no Metallica or Led Zeppelin without Bach or Vivaldi.......................

Sure, but you are out of your mind if you think Zeppelin didn't plagiarize numerous blues artists. You can create false equivalences all you want or look at the real examples. It wasn't right then and it isn't right now.

 

[Currawong]

Audeze's new Carbon 2 estat is also black and copper/orange with a patterned grill and split headband. When will it end!

Ok, I'll leave it there. It'll be interesting to see impressions of these.

Edit: Highly worth watching: Everything Is a Remix.

 

[andrewchoppa]

Sure, but you are out of your mind if you think Zeppelin didn't plagiarize numerous blues artists. You can create false equivalences all you want or look at the real examples. It wasn't right then and it isn't right now.

Sorry, in my mind I was making the point (but my mind doesn't always translate perfectly haha) that art has to take from art in some part at least, by it's very own nature. No new art is completely 100% new, it all has some degree of influence/inspiration from before.........We start with cavemen and their sophisticated rhythmal stick banging (I jest) and move on to about the 5th century A.D. with our Medieval bretheren (yes I've missed thousands of years of attempts at sound and tune) who went on to influence the Baroqueians (Bach and Vivaldi amongst many many others), who inspired a generation (or 7) of Renaissancians, creating a wonderful bunch of Classicalians, to Romantics to Modernists to Bluesists, Jazzophiles, Country Bumpkins, Rock n Rollers, Punk-heads, Metal-maniacs (of which I'm one.....) and all the while enjoying "popular" throughout the decades.......Even Rap (vomming in my mouth right now) influences itself and other genres, sub-genres and sub-sub-genres. Of course Zep took influence from blues.....and classical and Modern and Country and Jazz and Baroque (have you heard Hot Dog - what amalgam is that haha????) ........so did Elvis, Britney Spears, Taylor Swift, Pink Floyd, Aerosmith, Metallica, Roy Orbison, Bjork, and EVERY single other artist/composer out there. Most of the Neo-classical Scandi metal bands I love are classically trained and all you can hear in 90% of their music is Vivaldi, Corelli, Albinoni, Mozart, Chopin, Bach, Handel, Couperin, (maybe not Dvorak so much.....), Wagner, Brahms, to mention just a few...... To say a band "Plagiarises" a genre of artisits is an oxy-moron. They are clearly influenced and besotted by these artists, enough to create the basis of their music, paying direct homage to these artists. It's the highest form of flattery anywhere in life. Their music wouldn't exist with the blues artists they are inspired by. PLease don;t take any of this ina negative way - this is all just my opinion and I do like to have a joke. I fully believe all this but say it in no negative or derogatory or patronising way. Peace.

 

[andrewchoppa]

For the design of the headband, it was decision made by the top of our management.

We discussed it within company and also with many people at the Hi-Fi shows we visited this year with the HW600. Our management was aware of the early feedback.

And we appreciate your feedback in this thread and we will make sure to forward it to our management.

But our customer support team will not comment on this directly.

I for one, am very much looking forward, to seeing and listening to your new offerings!!

 

[6PANDEMONIUM6]

Is it a bad thing to be ergonomically inspired by the most comfortable headphones in the world? Shouldn't product designers all converge on design choices that are proven to work and make sense? This results in better products on the market for customers.

Every company entering the market doesn't need to reinvent the wheel. If you want to design a new car shouldn't you first study the best cars on the market? Would you all rather the headband be WORSE? (Although I admit that they could have gone with a different color scheme)

 

[BlueA]

Imagine a total ripoff of Neon Genesis Evangelion with just a color change to orange and then telling:
Is it a bad thing to be ergonomically inspired by the most admired mecha design in the world?
Yes this would be disrespect for Hideaki Anno and community would signal such behavior.

Only youtubers who promote gears with sponsorised links or special gifts keep their eyes closed...

Have you considered the numbers of brands who can produce cars that are unique and still perform?
Yes no car reaching the market looks like porshe, ferrari, etc because they have designers!
At socal you could even see new brands landing, small brands, that come with their own realizations...

Guess which brand copy, instead of investing, for fast money grabbing?

 

[6PANDEMONIUM6]

Imagine a total ripoff of Neon Genesis Evangelion with just a color change to orange and then telling:
Is it a bad thing to be ergonomically inspired by the most admired mecha design in the world?
Yes this would be disrespect for Hideaki Anno and community would signal such behavior.

Only youtubers who promote gears with sponsorised links or special gifts keep their eyes closed...

Have you considered the numbers of brands who can produce cars that are unique and still perform?
Yes no car reaching the market looks like porshe, ferrari, etc because they have designers!
At socal you could even see new brands landing, small brands, that come with their own realizations...

Guess which brand copy, instead of investing, for fast money grabbing?

Your post implies that you think that the hundreds of mecha anime that have come out since EVA weren't heavily inspired and influenced by it. I assure you that they were. From character designs to mechs you can see the influence of NGE in every other anime that has come out since it aired. Which proves my point that all creators stand on the shoulders of their giant predecessors and incorporate previous works into their own creation. Eureka Seven, Darling in the Franxx, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, etc. The influence of Neon Genesis Evangelion is apparent in every mecha that has come out since the year 2000.

 

[BlueA]

I only assume that what is not produced as quick copy is of quality thus have investment and respect for precedence.

But for mass consumers it's probably not worth it. You can sell them a copy at 1K$, they won't ask for much,
they even complain when you point it.

Shanling knows fair well how to make money from them.

 

[Pashmeister]

For the design of the headband, it was decision made by the top of our management.

We discussed it within company and also with many people at the Hi-Fi shows we visited this year with the HW600. Our management was aware of the early feedback.

And we appreciate your feedback in this thread and we will make sure to forward it to our management.

But our customer support team will not comment on this directly.

Translation:

“We know it will be seen as a rip off. But after considering our priorities, we don’t care. Release the clones.”