Sensaphonics 2x-Soft canalphone review

Jul 5, 2004 at 7:20 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 93

Tyson

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Now that I've had them for a few weeks and the "newness" of them has worn off, I figure it is time to write up a review of the Sensaphonic 2x-Soft canalphones I will try to keep it fairly brief and to the point,



Ordering and fitting experience

Ordering was very easy, I simply called up Sensaphonics at the phone number on their website, and was refered to a local audiologist. I called the audiologist, made an appointment to get my ear impressions made. When I got my impressions made it was "closed mouth", which is how the audiologist makes all his impressions for his main clientel (hearing aid wearers). Off the impressions went to sensaphonics, and 2 weeks later they showed up at my home. I pulled them out of the box, put them in, and put on some music. I notices that I was getting a good seal, but that any movement I made broke the seal, not good! So I called the audiologist, who in turn talked to sensaphonics, and we did another set of impressions. This time I did the impressions "open mouthed". 2 weeks later the 2x's show up at my house, and the fit is much, much better. Nice tight seal. Me very happy. But then I notice after about 30 minutes with them in my ear, the left ear starts to lose it's seal pretty easily. After looking at the impressions with the audiologist, it is determined that for my particular ears the impressions were not made quite deep enough for that particular ear. So, another impression of the left ear is done, and off go the 2x's to Sensaphonics again. 2 weeks later they show up at my house again. The right side had not been changed at all since it already fit perfectly, but the left side was indeed longer and much better sealing.

I include this story for 2 reasons. 1st is to let people know that with custom canalphones the fit may not be perfect the first time, and some adjustments may need to be made. The 2nd is that I wanted to give props to Sensaphonics because they did all of the re-fitting work free of charge and were completely professional the entire time. And they paid for the shipping both ways when the re-fits had to be done. So I got in the end a great fitting pair of phones at no extra cost to me. It's good to know that a company will stand behind their products and will work with you until you are completely satisfied.



Wearing and Comfort

Comfort and sound quality can definitely be affected by how you insert them and seal them. I find that there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. The wrong way is to simply twist them in and leave them like that. If I do that, I find there is a sort of "suction" feel, almost like a vacuum was created in my ear. This is pretty uncomfortable to me over time, and I also notice that it has the effect of dulling the high frequency quite a bit. I find that once I have them inserted, if I pull up and back on my ear lobe, it breaks the seal momentarily, allowing the pressure to be "equalized" in my ear, so that I don't have a suction sensation. When I release my earlobe it re-seals without that suction feeling and the comfort and sound quality are greatly improved.



Isolation

I find the isolation is about the same as the Etymotics with foamies. With music off you can definitely hear things going on around you, but they are very muted and far away sounding. With music on at a low to moderate level you are pretty much impervious to outside sounds.



Sound Quality

I'll focus mainly on comparing the sound of the Sensa's to the sound of the Etymotic ER-4s and the Shure E5 canalphones, since that is probably the most relevant comparison for people that may be interested in these guys.

Ety vs. Sensa

I'll say it flat out, the Sensa's are in a higher class of sound quality than the Ety's. The first thing that you will notice is the Sensa's have BASS. Not big bloated bass, but tight, percussive, highly textured bass. Especially in the mid bass and upper bass, drums and percussion instruments have a "thwack" sound of the wooden stick hitting the tensioned drumhead. Cello's have a plangent, vocal-like quality, with the strings and the wood body seperately percievable, but harmonizing together. Deep bass has a rounded, smooth texture that I've only heard on some very high end speaker systems. They go deeeep, and the sound has that "pressurizing" feeling that only truly deep bass reproduction gives. The Ety's in contrast will play some deep bass, but it is quite attenuated, and you mostly end up hearing the harmonics of the deep bass note, but not really the deep bass note itself.

As for the midrange, it is absolutely no contest again, the Sensa's have all the speed and attack that the Ety's do, but in addition they also have filled out presentation that gives tone and texture to instruments and voices that the Ety's do not match. The Ety's sound harmonically thin and flat in comparison.

The high frequencies are closer. The extension and resolution of the very high frequencies (above 10khz) is about the same. Below 10khz, the Sensa's are certainly better, because they do not have that spike at 7khz that the Ety's do. This has 2 effects. 1, the Sensa's sound a bit more relaxed and less aggresive in the treble, but paradoxically the above 10khz info is actually easier to hear because the 7khz spike is not masking the higher frequencies. You will notice this especially if you listen to music that has a lot of spatial ques (something the Sensa's excel at). You will be able to hear very easily when instruments are closer to the recording mic and when they are farther away, becase the upper frequency harmonics that define where they are can be heard without interference from a frequency response anomoly. Overall I still have to say that the Ety's do a very good job with the highs, and had I not heard the Sensa's I'd be happy to say they are the best at reproducing "air" of any headphones I've had the pleasure to listen to.

Shure vs. Sensa

Again, I'll have to say that the Shure's are not in the same class as the Sensa's. While the E5's do have the ability to do deep bass like the Sensa's (ie, they can actually produce a real, deep, full low bass), they really fall down when you get to the mid and upper bass. The Shure's are definitely bloated and slow and very lacking in texture in the mid bass and upper bass. While this can be fine with some recordings, generally I now find the "one note" nature of the Shure bass to be a bit depressing.

In the mids, The Sensa's win out because they don't have the bloated bass leaking in to the midrange like the Shure's do. The Shure's don't have the Ety weakness of a thin and nasaly midrange, they have the opposite problem of a too thick and gooey midrange. Everyone, without exception, sounds like they have a chest cold when singing through the Shure's. Sure there is texture, but there isn't the speed, clarity, snap, and dileneation of small subtle details like the Sensa's do with ease.

Highs, well this is where the Sensa's simply leave the Shure's in the dust. Compared to the Sensa's, the Shure's have no highs. The E5's just don't have the sparkle, air, and laser-like precision to their sound that the Sensa's have. And "air"? Forget about it!

Generall impressions of the Sensa's sound

I did want to mention a couple of other things about the sound of the Sensa's, specifically one area that I've only heard at a similar level on a very high end speaker system. I'm not quite sure how to describe it. As a preamble, let me say that I've heard certain headphones (and speakers) that are very good at seperating and delineating all the various musicians so that you can hear each musical strand very clearly. The problem is that they are usually pretty analytical sounding headphones, and don't really present the musicality of the group "as a whole" making music together. On the other hand I've heard headphones that are very "musical" and that present a cohesive musical message very nicely, but at the expense of sort of "rolling everyone together in a big ball", and some detail and precision is lost. The Sensa's are the first headphone's I've heard that do "both" the analytical and the musical very, very well, in complete and perfect balance, in fact. I've noticed that if I feel like it, I can concentrate on specific musicians or specific musical lines, and not lose the overall musical message. On the other hand I can just kick back and lose myself in the overall performance, and still find myself able to appreciate the individual input of the different musicians. This for me is a revelation, and the main reason that I am "completely happy and satisfied" with these canalphones.

System Information:

Home system - nOrh tubed CD Player and Mensa DIO Dac, Boulder OTL tubed headphone amp, also headphone output from Van Alstine Transcendance 7 tube hybrid preamp.

Office system - Stereo-Link DAC, PPA heaphone amp.

Portable - Rio Sport MP3 Player, iRiver IHP-140 (borrowed from a friend), Sony Sony D-FJ401, Xin Supermini 6.2d amp.
 
Jul 5, 2004 at 7:39 PM Post #2 of 93
Congrats on finally getting your 2X-S to fit correctly
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Well written, and you mentioned a few things here and I have left out in my own review. First is the reproduction of the "air" feeling in the headphone. 2X-S is indeed, the best soundstage overall that I've ever heard in any IEM, period. The longer I've used the UE-10, the longer I'm bothered by the way they push the vocal very forward, and thus destroying that feeling of natural soundstage and airiness of the sound itself. UE-10 feels like wearing a pair of Grados, but only the vocal is flat, while rest of the soundstage is still pretty good in spatiality. So it really makes for a confusing soundstage effect that I've grown to dislike more and more. 2X-S is much better at presenting the soundstage as the way it was recorded. Of course, it is still smaller than full-size headphones such as CD3000, but I can comfortably say that I think the soundstage is better than that of HD650, imho.

The other is the balance of analytic and musicality. 2X-S is also to me, the best combination of analytic and musicality that I've have yet to hear in a pair of headphone. I consider CD3000 the next best, and HD650 after that.
 
Jul 5, 2004 at 7:41 PM Post #3 of 93
Nice review!

Tyson, how would you say the 2X-S compare to your HD600s?
 
Jul 5, 2004 at 7:47 PM Post #4 of 93
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Originally Posted by lindrone
The other is the balance of analytic and musicality. 2X-S is also to me, the best combination of analytic and musicality that I've have yet to hear in a pair of headphone. I consider CD3000 the next best, and HD650 after that.


Hey lindrone,

I currently have an HD580 w/ Oehlbach and a PPA. I'm thinking of buying a CD3K and keeping the HD580 and PPA.

But if I were to sell the PPA, I'd have enough money to get the 2X-S instead of the CD3K and use my Mint amp with it (and supposedly 2X-S is not too picky about amps, right?).

What would you do if you were in my place? The descriptions of the 2X-S make it seem wonderful. The only thing that makes me reluctant is that they are canalphones and thus wouldn't have a "real" headphone soundstage. I mean, there must be a reason why we don't see everyone selling their cans to buy 2X-S's?

Thanks.
 
Jul 5, 2004 at 7:55 PM Post #5 of 93
Zoide,
The HD600's do a lot right, IMO, and I love the Senn house sound, especially after I put in a custom cable on it to give it more snap and presence to the sound. But on an absolute scale the 600's still sound soft in comparison, don't have the deep bass power the 2x-S does, and does not have the upper frequency extension and air that the 2x-s does. They also lack the "speed of light" dynamics the 2x-s has. The 600's fall on the "musical" side of the analytical/musical divide, and while I certainly prefer that overall to a purely "analytical" sound, it is still short of what you get with the 2x-s, which seems to balance both very nicely. The 600's give a nice sense of "space" due to their open nature, they don't give the same sense of "air" like the Sensa's. Specifically the 600's don't seem quite as on "on top of you" like close headphones and canaphones, but the Sensa's reproduce the "acoustic space" of the original recording better due to the more extented and present high end.

Lindrone,
All I have to say is "Thank you" for putting up your original review and pointing me in the direction of the Sensa's, certainly the best purchase I'm made since I've been on head-fi.
 
Jul 5, 2004 at 8:03 PM Post #6 of 93
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Originally Posted by Zoide
I currently have an HD580 w/ Oehlbach and a PPA. I'm thinking of buying a CD3K and keeping the HD580 and PPA.


Have you auditioned the CD3K before? They sound very, very different than the Sennheiser house sound. A lot of people who're used to the Sennheiser presentation find CD3000 too bright. You should audition it first before you decide to purchase it.

Consequently, looks like you're @ the Stanford area right now? If you want to audition my CD3000, you're more than welcome to come over and try it out... you can PM me, and we can work something out.


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But if I were to sell the PPA, I'd have enough money to get the 2X-S instead of the CD3K and use my Mint amp with it (and supposedly 2X-S is not too picky about amps, right?).


2X-S isn't too picky about the amping, they sound great from just my iPod alone, but i have to admit they're even better coming out of my HR-2. I haven't gotten the chance to play around with different amps, PPA, Mint and other since I've gotten the 2X-S, was planning to do that the next time I get to go to a meet
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The sound characteristic of the 2X-S is definitely improved by different amps. Just that without amping, they still sound great.


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What would you do if you were in my place? The descriptions of the 2X-S make it seem wonderful. The only thing that makes me reluctant is that they are canalphones and thus wouldn't have a "real" headphone soundstage. I mean, there must be a reason why we don't see everyone selling their cans to buy 2X-S's?


2X-S is by far, the best soundstage I've gotten out of an IEM (wait, I said that before.. I'm starting to sound like a parrot.. hehehe). I do think 2X-S's soundstage is actually better than the Sennheisers HD580/600/650 series, because the size of the soundstage feels pretty much just as airy, and the frontal imaging on the 2X-S is much better. There's also all the microdynamics of sound that HD600 will just sort of "blur" over (after all, Sennheisers has always been known as smooth, not as greatly detailed as even the Ety ER-4) that adds to the feeling of realistic sound. HD650 will fair a bit better... but I still think 2X-S comes out on top compared to them.

CD3000 still has a much larger soundstage in comparison to the 2X-S though. I also consider CD3000's soundstage second in size only to the AKG 501, but AKG 501 is so distant and polite in its presentation, I can't listen to anything but classical on the AKG 501.

With all that said, the reason why people wouldn't spend the money on these custom IEM's... is that they are pretty expensive, and you are relying on someone's subjective opinion of what they think of them in order to make your purchase decisions. There's no route to auditioning them before purchase, hence there's no assurance that you will like the sound. Disregard how much we think of its technical excellence, it doesn't mean that the sound signature is something you'll like.

A good example is my own investment in the UE-10 Pro... it does have its technical merits, but the overall sound signature is something I've grown rather distasteful of more and more overtime. Instead of getting more acclimated and finding reasons to like it, I found it more and more frustrating to deal with them on a daily basis. I've been trying to split my time 50/50 between the two IEM's, to see if my opinion of them changes over time.. but UE-10 Pro just isn't the type of sound I like. However, if I never had the 2X-S, I probably wouldn't have known any better.

Also, custom IEM still come with their limitations. They only fit your ears, you'll never be able to share them with anybody else. There are still times when I rather just wear a full-size headphones, despite of how comfortable the 2X-S are. It is also still much easier to pull a full-size headphone off of your head when you need to talk to somebody than the custom IEM's.

I used to consider custom IEM's a very big trade-off in prices and performance as well.. you know, that whole deal of having to pay a premium for miniaturization. Meanwhile I still think that holds true for E2c, E3c, E5c, ER-6 and ER-4, they all made some trade-off in sound in one way or another, I no longer consider high-end custom IEM to be that way. I really think even at their price, they're competitive with any other headphone in this same price range. Of course, the law of diminishing return, even with full-size headphones, goes towards helping the case for the custom IEM's.

Anyway, once again I made this whole thing very verbose.... I hope it helped, or maybe it just made the whole decision even harder. I'm good at giving information and opinions, not very good at helping one save their wallet... hahahaha.
 
Jul 5, 2004 at 8:27 PM Post #7 of 93
Great review! And thanks for really describing how they fit. I also have that pressurised feeling with canal phones, and like you, I find that pulling on the ear lobe is the best way to equalize for me. However, what happens to me is that in the left ear the seal breaks completely and I have to start all over. It's nice to hear that some well-fitted Sensas will solve that problem!

Once he answered, Michael Santucci let me know that my timing of Christmas was perfect because he'll be in Europe at an Audiologist convention and will be able to handpick some audiologists from Helsinki for me.

What a great review..it's not often that we talk about harmonics and stuff. You described what you're hearing so well that I could pretend I heard it too.
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Thanks!
 
Jul 5, 2004 at 8:59 PM Post #8 of 93
Thanks, Tyson.

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Originally Posted by lindrone
Have you auditioned the CD3K before? They sound very, very different than the Sennheiser house sound. A lot of people who're used to the Sennheiser presentation find CD3000 too bright. You should audition it first before you decide to purchase it.

Consequently, looks like you're @ the Stanford area right now? If you want to audition my CD3000, you're more than welcome to come over and try it out... you can PM me, and we can work something out.



lindrone, thanks for the advise and for the invitation, but the problem is that right now and until late September I'll be in Costa Rica. This means that I won't be able to audition anything
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However, I have had Sony headphones for quite some time (used to have those cheap walkman foldable ones, and later I used the 7506s for several years). I really enjoyed the 7506s, but sometimes found them a bit harsh on the high end (leading to some fatigue), and when I got the HD580s they sounded like toy cans
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Still, what I do miss about them is that they were definitely more exciting with my favorite rock music. Sure, the HD580s sound "better" in every sense, but they just don't excite me as much in several key songs.

In that sense, I would really like to go back to the Sony embrace
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. The fact that the 7506's sound harsh and fatiguing to me worried me b/c the CD3Ks are also Sonys and are known to be bright after all, but I've heard that they lack the 7506's harshness, which is what may have fatigued me in the first place.

But then again, the 2X-S are very tempting both for your comment of them sounding better to the CD3Ks in every respect save for soundstage. A great plus is also the fact that they are so portable. I travel about 3 times a year to see family/friends and go to/from college. It's already kind of bulky carrying the PPA (w/ wall wart), Piccolo (w/ wallwart), HD580s (w/ big hard case), and laptop (a huge Sony monster hehe). And if I got the CD3Ks I suspect I'd still carry the HD580s "in case they sound better with warm Norah Jones song X, etc."
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Except for that, though, I always listen to music at home.

There's another thing that confuses me. People say that the CD3K has a very upfront and forward sound (or at least a very exciting one), but at the same time you say its soundstage is huge and very out there. How can it be far and close at the same time? It seems easier when I think about Grado (forward, upfront, almost no soundstage) vs. Senn (laid back, very big soundstage).

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Originally Posted by lindrone
2X-S is by far, the best soundstage I've gotten out of an IEM (wait, I said that before.. I'm starting to sound like a parrot.. hehehe). I do think 2X-S's soundstage is actually better than the Sennheisers HD580/600/650 series, because the size of the soundstage feels pretty much just as airy, and the frontal imaging on the 2X-S is much better.


So you'd say the 2X-S has a soundstage that is bigger than the HD580s? Even if it is a canalphone?

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Originally Posted by lindrone
The sound characteristic of the 2X-S is definitely improved by different amps. Just that without amping, they still sound great.


Would you say the 2X-S unamped or maybe on a Mint would sound better than a CD3K on a PPA? Both would be fed by lossless FLAC -> Sonica -> Piccolo DAC -> amp.

One more thing. I've been a bit worried about how the CD3K can be picky and expose many flaws in equipment and recording of songs. Does the 2X-S do this as well?

(Sorry for the long post, I tend to ramble. BTW if you guys think it's better for me to stick to PM, please tell me so. For now, I think that these questions and their answers would be useful to many Head-Fiers and so I post them in the thread)
 
Jul 5, 2004 at 9:05 PM Post #9 of 93
excellent review. enjoy.
 
Jul 5, 2004 at 10:19 PM Post #10 of 93
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Originally Posted by Zoide
The fact that the 7506's sound harsh and fatiguing to me worried me b/c the CD3Ks are also Sonys and are known to be bright after all, but I've heard that they lack the 7506's harshness, which is what may have fatigued me in the first place.


CD3000 is definitely every bit as exciting and less harsh than the 7506's... The sound range is filled out and smooth, although it is still a "bright" headphone, it is very smooth. Harsh is never how I would describe them.

I think the problem with CD3000 is that they are very "cold" feeling when the source is cold. You need to pair them up to a warm source for everything to sound proper. The coldness + brightness makes it seem more fatiguing than it really is. If the source & amp are paired up properly, then they'll sound just fine.


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There's another thing that confuses me. People say that the CD3K has a very upfront and forward sound (or at least a very exciting one), but at the same time you say its soundstage is huge and very out there. How can it be far and close at the same time? It seems easier when I think about Grado (forward, upfront, almost no soundstage) vs. Senn (laid back, very big soundstage).


I think people say that CD3K are upfront and forward, because they offer a very "exciting" sound. Everything has a great "punch" to them, the bass has a slam, everything that's supposed to stand out and really make you feel involved are all there. It's not like HD580, where everything seems to be laid back and very slow.

Compared to Grado, CD3K's sound is still distant, in fact, I think many Grado lovers will consider CD3K's midrange too distant. However, compared to Sennheisers, the attack and slam of the sound gives it much more presence, even though the soundstage is still larger.

Part of that "soundstage" is also because of the superior sound imaging capability of the CD3K in comparison to Sennheiser headphones. Sennheiser has an "airy" soundstage, because the sound just seems to flow outwards (open-air nature). With CD3K, you definitely have a closed headphone feeling, but instead of being in an open-air stadium, you're in a huge concert hall. There are definitely "walls", but the walls are much, much farther away from you. The sound imaging, the ability to place instruments in a very spherical, 3d space allows it to provide you with the illusion of a much larger soundstage than Sennheisers can. A good way to think about it.. is that Sennheiser sounds like an open-roof stadium that seats about 5,000 people. Where CD3000 is an indoor stadium that seats 15,000.


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So you'd say the 2X-S has a soundstage that is bigger than the HD580s? Even if it is a canalphone?


Some of the reasons that CD3000 sounds like a larger soundstage applies here as well. The additional instrument separation abilities and instrument placement capabilities of the 2X-S makes it seems like the 2X-S has a larger soundstage. Where CD3000 feels massively larger than HD580, I think 2X-S just feels slightly larger.

However, the instrument separation and additional detail allows the 2X-S to sound less congested. Thus the more "airy" feeling to the sound, and thus the illusion of a bigger soundstage than the HD580. The difference between the CD3K soundstage and Sennheiser soundstage has very much to do with the angled driver, ability to render distance of sound. The difference between 2X-S and Sennheiser is more about creating separation between instruments and give the sound more "air".


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Would you say the 2X-S unamped or maybe on a Mint would sound better than a CD3K on a PPA? Both would be fed by lossless FLAC -> Sonica -> Piccolo DAC -> amp.


I wish I can answer that... currently I've gotten rid of all my lower-end amps.. and I have not been able to run the 2X-S out of the PPA. I can't even make that comparison. What I can say is, out of the same situation, 2X-S sounds better than CD3K except for the soundstage. Which leads us to the next point...


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One more thing. I've been a bit worried about how the CD3K can be picky and expose many flaws in equipment and recording of songs. Does the 2X-S do this as well?


2X-S is very forgiving of its source. So unlike CD3000, which can pair poorly with cold sources, I can't see a situation where 2X-S will turn out badly in any pairing. Of course, it'll show flaws in bad recordings and equipments, as all detailed headphone should; but it won't be the same unpleasant way that CD3000 tend to.

I think it's also been well known that you have to pair CD3000 + warm source + warm amp to get the best out of it. Since 2X-S is already warm itself, you don't necessarily have to be as picking about its amp and source. As long as the source provides good detail, and the amp passes it through without distorting and making it muddy (as cheap tube amps tend to?), you should be fine. I guess this is a very indirect way of answering the last question about how 2X-S would sound out of a lesser set-up... I do believe the biggest different maker in this case is having a detailed source, since 2X-S is pretty easily driven.
 
Jul 5, 2004 at 10:37 PM Post #11 of 93
I would say the cd3k's are on the cold/analytical side of neutral, the 2x-s pretty much dead on neutral, and the Senn's definitely on the warm side of neutral. Personally I couldn't live with the cd3k's even with a warm source and amp, they are simply too bright sounding to me. The 2x-s has crystal clear and present highs and mids, but they are not bright, and they are not warm either. They produce the sound as recorded, but the produce "all" of the sound, from the initial attack of the note/sound, to the full middle of the note/sound, to the decay of the note/sound. The cd3k tends to emphasize the initial attack and the decay, but short-shrifting the middle of the note. The Senn's on the other hand de-emphasized the initial attack and present the middle of the note most prominently. The 2x-s gives equal balance and emphasis to all 3 areas. IMO, of course.
 
Jul 5, 2004 at 10:39 PM Post #12 of 93
Zoide,

Another set of ears' opinion on the Senn vs. CD3k, for what its worth.

When I originally got into this hobby, my first pair of worthwhile cans was the A900, based on the recommendation of Lindrone, coincidentally (thanks, buddy!). A friend of mine happened to have the HD 580s, so after I purchased a CD player and PPA (damn you head fi!) I borrowed his Senns for a night to compare the two. At the time, I thought I had no further interest in the Sennheiser sound, and that it was CD3k bliss for me. But, I got a chance to audition the CD3k and Senn HD 600 and 650 head to head. After listening to them, I went for the HD 650. The CD3k didn't have the same neutrality, which particularly bothered me in high strings (if you listen to classical), as well as other parts of the spectrum. Further, it was a bit strident for me, too bright and fatiguing.

Edit: Since both Lindrone and Tyson beat me to the punch, I'll add a point I forgot to mention--yes, the CD3k have a bigger sound stage, but to me, it sounded unnatural. It was large as Lidnrone says, but it felt like it was imposed on every track, whether it should have been or not. With the Sennheisers I can hear where the mic was placed. For example, I've got a recording of Dvorak's 9th (the New World). When this was recorded, the mic was placed up by the conductor. This is where the Senns put it. The CD3ks just make everything huge. Similarly, in a Mahler cycle I have the recording was made with mics at the back of the room--thus, to me the Senns sound similar to the CD3ks, but more airy.
 
Jul 5, 2004 at 10:54 PM Post #13 of 93
Tyson --

What a wonderful, well-written, thoughtful and detailed review!!!
 
Jul 5, 2004 at 11:48 PM Post #14 of 93
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Originally Posted by Tyson
I would say the cd3k's are on the cold/analytical side of neutral, the 2x-s pretty much dead on neutral, and the Senn's definitely on the warm side of neutral.


CD3K are indeed on the cold side.. but it's not as analytical as some other headphones. It doesn't have a very "dry" sound, it has a very liquid and fluid sound to them. Sennheisers are on the warm side, but I would classify them as the extremely warm. They are probably the warmest headphone other than perhaps, the Shure E5c.

I wouldn't say 2X-S is dead on neutral, because I have UE-10 Pro to compare against. However, 2X-S is very, very close to neutral with a good amount of warmth overall. Not the huge amount of warmth on the Sennheisers or the Shure E5c, but there are some warmth. It's all very subjective anyway, but since I've got UE-10 Pro to compare against, which is rather cold and dry. UE-10 Pro a bit like CD3000, but it just feels much more dry and sterile, lacking some fluidity and musicality that CD3000 has.


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Originally Posted by oneeyedhobbit
Since both Lindrone and Tyson beat me to the punch, I'll add a point I forgot to mention--yes, the CD3k have a bigger sound stage, but to me, it sounded unnatural. It was large as Lidnrone says, but it felt like it was imposed on every track, whether it should have been or not. With the Sennheisers I can hear where the mic was placed.


I have to say the "unnatural" soundstage part is pretty true... the CD3K's soundstage sounds more like a "special effect".. it's not neutral. It is, however, extremely, extremely enjoyable and fun. That's why I like CD3K's.. hehehee..

I have a bit of a polarizing taste (which iamdone has commented on a few times... it confuses him as well as myself), I like CD3K for completely different, and sometimes seems opposing, reasons than the Shure E5c and ProPhonic 2X-S
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Jul 5, 2004 at 11:55 PM Post #15 of 93
To me the cd3k is about as cold sounding as the HD600's are warm sounding, and the 2x-s is right in the middle, hence I think the sensa's are neutral, while the cd3k's are not. If the UE-10's tend to sound like the cd3k's, then they would not be neutral either. I'm only talking about tonal balance here, not how smooth or grainy the sound it, or how dry or mellifluous the sound is.

For what it's worth, I did find the cd3ks smooth, but cold, kind of like ice. The HD600's I find warm and smooth, like skin. So, to follow the analogy, the 2x-s is like putting ice on your favorite person's skin
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Hehe, just kidding, but I do feel that the 2x-s pretty much evenly splits the tonal presentation of the 600's and the cd3k's.
 

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