Sennheisers/AKG/Beyers any good?

Apr 15, 2007 at 11:39 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 25

Nenso

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This may sound very lame but I am scared of wandering to the realms of European headphone manufacturers!

I am especially fond of Audio Technica and now Grados because they compliment my ATs a lot since they're open and have a complete different feel to it.

My question is do Sennheisers/AKG/Beyers sound different enough from AT and Grado for me to invest in them in the near future? Will they be a good compliment?

If not, why are they similar?
 
Apr 15, 2007 at 11:45 AM Post #2 of 25
Have you already browsed through the vast assortment of headphones at HeadRoom and read the product descriptions and reviews there? To me, at least, it seems more often than not that comments made about headphones here at Head-Fi seem an awful lot like they're based on things already pointed out there
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. For the most part, with the headphones I've owned and used, I would say that HeadRoom's reviews are pretty darn reliable.
 
Apr 15, 2007 at 11:47 AM Post #3 of 25
I did read them but since they're a store, they tend to not jump straight to the point. I want solid answers of people who tried these and can tell me exactly how different they are so I can justify a purchase later on =\
 
Apr 15, 2007 at 12:16 PM Post #4 of 25
Hi,

I would say that the Beyers, AKG and Sennheisers are the exact opposite sound wise from the AT and Grado.

I find both Grado and AT overly bright. If you like this sort of sound, you will hate the European headphones. You will find them too dark and too slow.

I don't have much experience with Beyers, so I will let someone else espouse in detail on their strengths and weaknesses. I will describe Senns and AKG's to you.

Sennheisers: These are my favorite headphones. Frankly, I've never met a Senn I didn't like. Needless to say, the higher you go up the food chain, the more refined the products become. I like the following characteristics of the Sennheiser house sound:

1. Laid back - You get the impression of sitting in the middle of the concert hall, rather than right along there on the stage with Grados

2. Soundstage - Senns have a very deep soundstage. You can tell which instruments are closer and which are further. Grados tend to flatten things out.

3. Liquidity - The senn sound is very lush and liquid. I find them very musical. They are not the ultimate in detail, although they are very detailed, but whatever detail compromises they make, they make in lieu of sheer musicality and flow.

4. Deep bass. I think that Senns probably have the most extended bass of any headphone (at least any headphone that I've heard) Bass is deep, rich and detailed, never sloppy

5. They grow with your equipment - Senns never offend. However, the better your equipment gets, the better they sound. They're like flowers that open up as your source and amplification equipment improves

6. Comfort - Oh my! The most comfortable headphones I've ever experienced! I can listen to them for hours and I forget that I'm wearing them. Such a nice fit and comfort. Lovely! Like wearing ear muffs.


Limitations:

1. Not the fastest phones on the market

2. Can be a bit dark especially the higher end models

3. Can be a bit veiled without cable upgrades (especially the 580/600 models)

4. The higher end models require an amp to shine.


AKG

I'm really on the fence with regard to the AKG phones (I've only heard the higher end models: 501, 601, 701, k1000). They tend to be more neutral than the Senns and I can't say that they do anything wrong. However, I do find them a bit dull and lifeless. They don't move me the way the Senns do. I can definitely see why others may love them, but to me, AKG's are like a good technical musician who plays everything correctly, but has no soul.

What AKG's do well:

1. Neutrality - probably the most neutral and uncolored headphones I've heard. I think that if I were recording, AKG's would be the phones I'd use.

2. Speed - Although not as fast as Grados, which are the speed champs, AKG's are faster than the Senns.

3. Scale - These phones scale nicely with your equipment. Perhaps not as dramatically as the Senns (that point may be debatable), but as your equipment improves, the higher end AKG's will be able to hold their own

4. Soundstage - not as deep or as wide as the Senn soundstage, but quite nice. Accurate instrument and placement imaging.


Limitations:

1. Dull - my biggest peeve about the AKG's is that they're soooo boring. Others may disagree on that point, but to me, these things are just lifeless and robotic.

2. A bit on the dark side - Whereas these phones are very neutral, they tend to be on the darker side of neutrality. If you like bright phones, these ain't it.

3. Amplification - Amplification is a must with these. I find that they're much tougher to drive than even the Senns and amplification matching is more crucial than the Senns. Senns are very forgiving in that regard.

4. Comfort - Not quite as comfortable as Senns. I don't find them to be as well balanced on my head and my head gets fatigued after a while.

This is pretty much it, in a nut shell. Perhaps others can fill in the blanks if I have left any.
 
Apr 15, 2007 at 12:20 PM Post #5 of 25
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I did read them but since they're a store, they tend to not jump straight to the point. I want solid answers of people who tried these and can tell me exactly how different they are so I can justify a purchase later on =\


You make a very good point. I have gotten some very useful feedback on the beyerdynamic DT 250-250 from fellow Head-Fiers, which included a lot more information than is published at HeadRoom. However, I still make it a regular practice to compare and contrast the reports here on Head-Fi with the comments already written by HeadRoom.

For example, if you ask about differences between two popular Sennheiser models, such as the HD 580 and HD 595, you'll almost surely get responses to the effect that the HD 580 sounds "a few rows back, and like 90% of an HD 650, etc." and the HD 595 is more "forward sounding." It would surprise me tremendously if the typical listener could come to these findings in proper listening conditions with no bias, yet the majority of comments on these two headphones will almost invariably echo what's been written by HeadRoom.

So, of course you can get some fair and unbiased reviews of any given AKG, Sennheiser, or beyerdynamic headphone here, but I would always suggest cross-referencing the comments just to determine for yourself whether they seem to be based on hearsay rather than on honest-to-goodness impressions.
 
Apr 15, 2007 at 12:35 PM Post #6 of 25
I can only comment on Alessandro and Sennheiser; but I have to admit that the differences between my MS2i and HD600s sure adds a lot of fun to my listening! There's not a tune in my collection that can't be enjoyed by either one or the other, and often both, of these two phones. And sometimes the cans that display the best sound "to me" can be a surprise! I have some rock that plays better on the Senns and some classical I prefer on the Alessandros! But having phones with substantial differences in "sound" adds tons to the fun!

I even swap phones within the same CD!

I suspect that having phones of approximately the same SQ level is equally important. My MS2i and HD600s both play with about the same levels of retrieval of detail and accuracy, and the comfort of both is about the same "to me" so it's not a problem switching back and forth. As a matter of fact, during longer listening sessions it helps the outer ears to recover from one set of pads sitting still too long!
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I heartily recommend having a set of complementary cans.
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Apr 15, 2007 at 1:09 PM Post #7 of 25
Oops! I see you already like the difference of two dissimilar phones. My bad.
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Anyway; don't be worried of the differences in quality with European phones, at least with my limited experience with Senns. They don't have the "handmade" feel of a Grado/Alessandro, but the materials and assembly is certainly on par.
 
Apr 15, 2007 at 4:16 PM Post #8 of 25
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My question is do Sennheisers/AKG/Beyers sound different enough from AT and Grado for me to invest in them in the near future? Will they be a good compliment?


I don't think there's any question that they are very different from AT and Grado. Whether you like them or not is an entirely different matter.

As for suggestions, there are the usual suspects: HD600/650, DT990 etc.
 
Apr 15, 2007 at 4:30 PM Post #9 of 25
You should try a pair of Beyer DT880 or 990's used. Get the 05/06 versions. If you buy them and don't like them you can easily resell at no loss if you buy used to begin with.

Beyers are very different from ATs or Grados. The DT990 and 880 are also pretty different from each other, the 880 being very neutral with just a touch of extra treble sparkle, the DT990 having a slightly more pronounced bass and slightly recessed midrange compared to the 880. I love both, but I prefer the DT990.

And I owned AT W1000's, and Grado GS1000's, and didn't really like either one. So the sound of Beyers will be quite different I assure you (with the DT990 being the more different).
 
Apr 15, 2007 at 5:26 PM Post #10 of 25
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AKG's are like a good technical musician who plays everything correctly, but has no soul.


Yep, it shows that you haven't heard many AKGs at all. (You only show having listened to one good AKG at all, even.
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Apr 15, 2007 at 5:46 PM Post #11 of 25
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Yep, it shows that you haven't heard many AKGs at all. (You only show having listened to one good AKG at all, even.
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ROFL, Fitz is all offended.
 
Apr 15, 2007 at 6:06 PM Post #12 of 25
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Fitz is all offended.


No comment on whether Fitz is offended or not (I'm guessing he's not since he seems to be quite easygoing), but he's also listened to (and owns) about every AKG headphone there is/has been, and I would imagine has spent a lot of time getting to know them. I note also that his collection is not limited to AKGs, as there are also some nice beyers in his signature...
 
Apr 15, 2007 at 6:24 PM Post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by Nenso /img/forum/go_quote.gif
My question is do Sennheisers/AKG/Beyers sound different enough from AT and Grado for me to invest in them in the near ?


I own HD650 Sennheiser and DT990 (2005) Beyer.

Those all very different soundding.

If you prefer less dark, more soundstage (a lot more), music played at a certain distance from you, try Beyer!

I have them 90% on my head ...
 
Apr 15, 2007 at 6:52 PM Post #14 of 25
I smiled when I read this thread title. I've heard Beyers, Senns, and AKGs, but I've recently been debating adding another closed can and was wondering whether Japanese headphones are actually any good.
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Apr 15, 2007 at 6:58 PM Post #15 of 25
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I have them 90% on my head ...


You should try them 100% on your head sometime
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