[Brooko]

Thanks for that - another graph which shows the greater treble extension on the HD800S - which is what we were discussing

 

[SilverEars]

Here's the HD800 vs HD650, and we already know that the modifications to the HD800S centered around lowering the 6 kHz spike and increasing the mid-bass response

That shriek(shrill, sharpness) is still not fixed even with whatever the modification they are claiming. So much BS.

Tube it guys. LOL.

 

[Brooko]

Different ears - perfect for me. Apparently many others agree. Just as well we are all uniquely human. Boring world otherwise

 

[Swiftfalcon]

That shriek(shrill, sharpness) is still not fixed even with whatever the modification they are claiming. So much BS.

Tube it guys. LOL.

One of the reasons I specifically got the S version (instead of HD800 plain) is because I like it with solid state amps even the cheaper ones.

 

[daltonlanny]

My hearing, luckily, is still good up to about 18khz or so, and I hear zero treble roll-off on either the Sennheiser HD800, nor on the HD 800 S version with either music with lots of high frequency harmonics, nor on Stereophile test cd, and others, treble test tones using my ears, as well as a sound pressure level meter, and comparing the treble test tone levels vs 1khz on all the Sennheiser headphones (HD600/650/800/800 S).
All test tones from 6khz to 16khz are louder on both the Sennheiser HD800/800 S than on either the HD600 or HD650, especially at 6khz, (mainly on the regular HD800), and also especially at 10khz and above, on both the HD800, and on the 800 S.
The Hifiman HE-6 that I own is also pretty similar to the HD800 series in the upper treble response, at 10khz and above.
Unfortunately, I cannot hear the 20khz tones on any of them. Lol.
I also do not think the Utopia makes the 800 or 800 S sound veiled.
Sure the Utopia may do some small things better, but I overall still prefer the 800/800 S, and feel they are a much better bargain for what they do.
The Utopia is more forward, dynamic, and punchier, and probably more transparent, but I feel the 800/800 S still hold their own very well, and have a much larger soundstage, which I love.
The Utopias also exhibited some treble roughness just like the 800 series, except at different frequencies, that I wasn't too fond of.
Just my 2 cents.

 

[ubs28]

Thanks for that - another graph which shows the greater treble extension on the HD800S - which is what we were discussing

Where do you see that in that graph by Sonarwoks? The blue lines of the HD 800 S are dropping faster (around 12k) than the HD 650.

It almost looks like the HD 800 S builds up to 1 big peak and then rolls off.

I normally don’t refer to measurements much, but those measurements agree to what I hear in the upper treble regions.

 

[csglinux]

Where do you see that in that graph by Sonarwoks? The blue lines of the HD 800 S are dropping faster (around 12k) than the HD 650.

It almost looks like the HD 800 S builds up to 1 big peak and then rolls off.

I normally don’t refer to measurements much, but those measurements agree to what I hear in the upper treble regions.

Utopia starts to drop even earlier - around 10 kHz. It just has some additional resonance peaks later on, to make up for it

 

[groovyd]

Would someone please post a photo of the markings on their 800s including the top of the headband text and any markings around and inside the earcups or headband?

 

[csglinux]

P.S. Also, if you can believe those measurements (I'm a little cautious of measurements much beyond 10 kHz), the HD800S only has less treble than the HD650 once you get past about 18 or 19 kHz.

 

[SilverEars]

The previous 650 graph doesn't look right to me. Reason why 650 sounds on the dark side or when people initially go from brighter side to 650 they think it sounds veiled is because the dip in the lower treble region. LCDs generally has the same response. It's an audiophile response. Not neutral. Organic as people refer to it as I think. Best suited for jazz, etc.. 650 has a bit of a slower response than the 800's as well. 800 has quick response for sure, and that's partially contributor of analytic and dryness(with combination of the treble lifts). And this can be changed with greater output impedances/ and tubes. Not a surprise people have some liking with tubes with the 800, but reality is that you are pretty much loosening up the tuning. The point of that is really contradictory to the intended purpose of the response. 800 just got so much nonsensical stuff around it.

This is more inline with what I'm hearing of the 650:

 

[windcar]

Utopia starts to drop even earlier - around 10 kHz. It just has some additional resonance peaks later on, to make up for it

I have both 800S and Utopia. Utopia treble does not rolled off as much compared to 800S. Doing a frequency sweep with my ears shows a peak at 8-9k, 11k and still have plenty of energies beyond. The 4khz peak is not too much of an issue but I guess the high trebles are. Most of the mastering are done on speakers and headphones that are much more rolled off this will cause recordings to appear too bright.
Utopia does resolve better, have more clarity and have better layerings, but 800S is no slouch and compares well to all TOTL out there.

 

[ubs28]

P.S. Also, if you can believe those measurements (I'm a little cautious of measurements much beyond 10 kHz), the HD800S only has less treble than the HD650 once you get past about 18 or 19 kHz.

I don’t see scale numbers, so no idea if it starts at 18khz.

But which ever frequency it is, my ears tell the same as that graph posted by Sonarworks.

 

[joseph69]

Would someone please post a photo of the markings on their 800s including the top of the headband text and any markings around and inside the earcups or headband?

Here you go.
What is it you're looking for?

 

[Brooko]

Where do you see that in that graph by Sonarwoks? The blue lines of the HD 800 S are dropping faster (around 12k) than the HD 650.

It almost looks like the HD 800 S builds up to 1 big peak and then rolls off.

I normally don’t refer to measurements much, but those measurements agree to what I hear in the upper treble regions.

Your claim - HD650 has more treble than HD800S

So far everyone has disagreed, including producing graphs which prove it. The 2 Sonarworks graphs overlaid on each other (below). I'm not sure what you're not comprehending with this .... green is the HD800S. Lower treble is generally held at about 6-10 kHz. HD800S has more treble in this area. Upper treble is above 10 kHz - HD800S has far more treble in this area. If you're talking about that tiny little bit of blue at 18 kHz or so - good luck hearing that in actual music.

You're welcome to state what you think you hear. All I'm saying is that actual measurements don't agree with you.

 

[Brooko]

And if you actually volume matched at 1 kHz - the HD800S would have even more.