Sennheiser HD650 & Cardas Headphone Replacement Cable

Nov 21, 2005 at 6:17 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 7

Welly Wu

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Please understand that it is 12:52 AM EST as I write this thread, but I would like to solicit opinions about the Sennheiser HD650 and Cardas Headphone Replacement Cable with regard to how well you think it will work within the context of my reference system. For the record, my first pair of high end dynamic headphones was the Sennheiser HD600 stock which I later upgraded with the Cardas Headphone Replacement Cable. That cable certainly made itself known sonically. At that time, I only had a Panasonic SL-CT580 PCDP as my source component that was hooked up through the Straightwire Short Portable Cable and HeadRoom Cosmic with Reference Module as my headphone amplifier. It sounded good, but not nearly as great as my current reference system.

I do not have a pair of open air full-sized dynamic headphones that are of high caliber and build quality. I listen to a great variety of music, but my concentration is classical, opera, and jazz with a spattering of American standards along with Broadway showtunes. I also listen to rock, pop, and country along with new age genres as well. So, I need a pair of cans that are highly resolved and true to the original signal. I also need a pair of cans that have a much wider dynamic range frequency than my Ue-10 PRO earphones and they have to be fairly versatile -- the ability to switch cables from single ended RCA to balanced XLR is a plus. Of course, I expect build quality to be mechanically solid as well. To a certain degree, I am looking for cans that have become the de facto standard bearer of high fidelity headphone audio. However, my budget is limited to a maximum of approximately $550 USD and my timeframe would be by Christmas 2005.

I do have a few questions:

If I were to go ahead by working overtime and saving up my money, then do you think that the Sennheiser HD650 would be a good choice for me based upon my musical tastes and how it would perform within the context of my reference system?

Has Sennheiser addressed the controversy over the perceived sonic veil and accentuated bass extension/response with their HD650? Does the Cardas Headphone Replacement Cable ameliorate these issues whatsoever?

If I were to purchase a new pair of Sennheiser HD650 headphones and 10' Cardas Headphone Replacement Cable, then what price range should I expect to pay including shipping and handling fees?

Who should do business with? Why?

Do you forsee Sennheiser releasing the HD700 anytime before 2007?

Thank you for your replies and opinions. I will watch this thread for further developments.

PS: I will have a used pair of Cardas Neutral Reference Interconnects (0.50 meters single ended RCA) that I can sell and I can use those funds to leverage the purchase of both the Sennheiser HD650 and Cardas Headphone Relacement Cable -- if necessary. Furthermore, I can sell some Vibrapod Isolators Type II and a Blue Jeans Cable 12' 1694A Composite Video Cable as well.
 
Nov 21, 2005 at 10:00 AM Post #2 of 7
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Originally Posted by Welly Wu

If I were to go ahead by working overtime and saving up my money, then do you think that the Sennheiser HD650 would be a good choice for me based upon my musical tastes and how it would perform within the context of my reference system?

Has Sennheiser addressed the controversy over the perceived sonic veil and accentuated bass extension/response with their HD650? Does the Cardas Headphone Replacement Cable ameliorate these issues whatsoever?

If I were to purchase a new pair of Sennheiser HD650 headphones and 10' Cardas Headphone Replacement Cable, then what price range should I expect to pay including shipping and handling fees?



My own experiences are that the Cardas cable does change the sonic signature of the HD650. The highs are clearer and stronger, the bass response is more controlled and not exaggerated anymore, the "mid bass hump" is gone.

The 10" Cardas cable is 150 $ plus shipping, so the HD650 + Cardas is within your budget.

On the other hand you might consider the new AKG K701. The K701 might be better in terms of resolution and probably has a faster, tighter bass.

If I were you I would audition the headphones before you buy/ order them.
Headphone selection is a matter of personal taste.

Cheers,
sean-xenos
 
Nov 21, 2005 at 1:26 PM Post #3 of 7
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Originally Posted by Welly Wu
...I need a pair of cans that are highly resolved and true to the original signal. ...they have to be fairly versatile -- the ability to switch cables from single ended RCA to balanced XLR is a plus.


The latter criterion pretty much reduces the choice to the HD 650. On the other hand: your HR-2 is such a highly-rated amp -- why do you need something else, the more so with a limited budget? As to resolution and naturality I rate the HD 650 quite high, although it doesn't throw detail in your face and may be slightly too slow/dark for rock (to some). It's still my all-time favorite to date.

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...To a certain degree, I am looking for cans that have become the de facto standard bearer of high fidelity headphone audio.


You couldn't be clearer...
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If I were to go ahead by working overtime and saving up my money, then do you think that the Sennheiser HD650 would be a good choice for me based upon my musical tastes and how it would perform within the context of my reference system?


Maybe -- but it's highly recommendable to audition it first; the HD 650 is quite controversial and doesn't suit everyone's sonic taste.

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Has Sennheiser addressed the controversy over the perceived sonic veil and accentuated bass extension/response with their HD650? Does the Cardas Headphone Replacement Cable ameliorate these issues whatsoever?


I haven't heard the Cardas cable, but as respected as it was for the HD 600, the opinions to the pairing with the HD 650 are quite divided. I didn't hear a veil with the HD 600, but a certain matness it showed is replaced by a liquid smoothness and higher brilliance now with the HD 650, although its treble isn't more pronounced. A silver cable will definitely remove all sorts of veil I can imagine, but that's just me (and my Zu Mobius, Silver Dragon and Headphile BlackSilver). But yes, there's still a slight lack of air in the treble, but you'll be compensated by sweet and natural overtones of large orchestras without shrill- or harshness.

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Do you foresee Sennheiser releasing the HD700 anytime before 2007?


Yes, I see a HD 700 for the next year.

There's also the option of the K 701... as it seems a serious contender for the HD 650.
 
Nov 21, 2005 at 2:54 PM Post #4 of 7
i don't hear a veil at all with my PPX3 Slam (tube rolled) and Senn HD600s + Oehlbach cable. i didn't hear a veil with one of sacd lover's Supras us HD600 + Cardas either. i personally don't think the Senns have a veil at all, some people are simply using underpowered amps or are expecting a bright (as opposed to balanced) sound. i don't think you'll have a problem with with power using the HR-2, but you may have a problem with the sound balance depending on what you are expecting.
 
Nov 22, 2005 at 7:26 AM Post #6 of 7
I have more questions:

How well does the Sennheiser HD 650 perform with high resolution media such as HDCD, JVC XRCD, Super Audio CD, or DVD-Audio?

How well does the Sennheiser HD 650 perform with DVD-Video films?

If I love the Ultimate Ears Ue-10 PRO, then what is the probability that the Sennheiser HD 650 would be a good choice?

What is the probability that Sennheiser will release the HD 700 in 2006?

I hope that I am asking rather unique questions, but I may stand corrected. I need to solicit more opinions before I make a rather expensive hi-fi purchase for this upcoming 2005 holiday season. Thank you very much for your time and opinions!
 
Nov 22, 2005 at 4:09 PM Post #7 of 7
I'm sure I'll have to put on my flame suit but here goes...

The HD650s are incredible headphones. IMHO, compared to the UE10s, they sound dark, veiled and slow. The bass on the 650 is more present and a bit more bloomy than on th eUE10s. Of course, many could say that the UE10s have an unnatural tightness to the bass. Different strokes for different folks. I listen to mostly rock, so take this with a grain of salt. To me the 650s always sounded slow and boring compared to the UE10s.
 

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