Sennheiser HD 600 Impressions Thread
Sep 11, 2021 at 8:45 PM Post #21,706 of 21,838

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The HD600s and R70x are both 102dB/V. the HD600s are 2dB less sensitive (97dB/mW vs 99dB/mW although diyaudio put the HD600 at 100dB/mW) but the R70x has more impedance (470-900Ohms vs 300-600Ohms).


That could be the reason. Many say the HD600s sound better with tubes than solid state. That could simply be preference as I heard tubes are warmer than solid states.
Besides one tube amp on long term loan in the 90's and my BHC the past 2 years (useless on my planars) I've been all SS since 1972. I'm a Nelson Pass SS guy.

The OTL tube impedance is high, which does give a boost to open ear headphones bass in the 60-100 Hz range. There is also the addition of harmonic distortion which does give in reasonable amounts a warmth that recalls acoustically warm classical settings vs typical sterile 2-D digital. That plus of course the soundstage from my OTL which actually has one unlike the 600 on SS which is blob. No SS amp is going to deliver those things, even if technically speaking the OTL "improvements" are arrived at via "impure" techniques/results.

Including room stereos I've probably heard more consumer electronics than anyone on this site - top 5 anyhow, and W.R.T. headphones a used HD-600 with new stock pads, a BHC w/ speedball (also possibly used) and a really good DAC (my case a Gumby) gives for everyone but bassheads a very fine experience for cheap money. Better than my $1695 Ragnarok.
 
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The HD600s and R70x are both 102dB/V. the HD600s are 2dB less sensitive (97dB/mW vs 99dB/mW although diyaudio put the HD600 at 100dB/mW) but the R70x has more impedance (470-900Ohms vs 300-600Ohms).


That could be the reason. Many say the HD600s sound better with tubes than solid state. That could simply be preference as I heard tubes are warmer than solid states.
Besides one tube amp on long term loan in the 90's and my BHC the past 2 years (useless on my planars) I've been all SS since 1972.
I am sure you have considered that if everyone thought the more hot treble profile of headphones like Grado (or HD700/HD800) was "painful" then Grado would be out of business a long time ago and not considered one of the top headphone manufacturers in the world.

The fact is, some people perceive the hotter treble with bigger soundstage as more realistic and/or better sounding, and often those same people perceive the HD600/HD650 more laid back signature as veiled, small, sleep-inducing, etc. I have no idea how in reality the poster asking for advice actually hears things in his own brain, only he can say this, but if he says he wants something more detailed and clear than the HD650 then I am definitely not going to steer him into HD600 which is just a variant of the HD6xx family sound. I instead would steer him into a headphone with more aggressive high end, which equals greater clarity and detail perception. If it actually results in pain that speaks to an imbalance in one's gear chain in being able to handle a headphone that is more revealing in treble.
My finding is that bright German cans, some Grados, some AT's and others seem to appeal to people that are primarily tuned into recorded music, often digitial - with little or no acoustic setting experience/memory. This doesn't obviate your point about popularity.

My point is education of the ears. And of course the lack of education - or GIGO. The third point which has to be considered is individual hearing - which certainly ruffle the first two concepts - and conclusions from it.

So I can't say you have tin ears because you like a given Beyer, I just know I likely can't bear it - due to unreality of excess treble for starters.
 
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Hello Guys.

I'm venturing into the world of liquid music and for some time now I wanna create a desktop HEADPHONES system in order to listen to lossless music.. I would like to gather opinions on how to move in the future regarding any purchases.



As for headphones, I have pretty clear ideas about what kind of sound I’m looking for. A high impedance open headset with neutrality features, tonal coerency and balance..

I am seriously considering buying the Sennhesier HD600.. If I decide to take HD 600, I also have to consider buying a good SS amp (no valves) that pairs well with this headset.. A powerful amplifier of good construction, neutral and transparent tone could be a good solution for you?



At the moment on top of my preferences there are these two models:. LAKE PEOPLE G100. LAKE PEOPLE G111



If I have correctly interpreted the specifications, the Lake People G 111 should have no difficulty in piloting the HD600.. The HD600 are high impedance headphones who needs a lot of "current". The Lake People has surplus power and voltage (it has a toroidal transformer powered) .

Output power 300 ohm-900 mw. Balanced/unbalanced outputs. Too bad for the lack of an "external" selector to adjust the gain.



Did someone try it coupled with an HD600?



Thanks To all
 
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Hello Guys.

I'm venturing into the world of liquid music and for some time now I wanna create a desktop HEADPHONES system in order to listen to lossless music.. I would like to gather opinions on how to move in the future regarding any purchases.



As for headphones, I have pretty clear ideas about what kind of sound I’m looking for. A high impedance open headset with neutrality features, tonal coerency and balance..

I am seriously considering buying the Sennhesier HD600.. If I decide to take HD 600, I also have to consider buying a good SS amp (no valves) that pairs well with this headset.. A powerful amplifier of good construction, neutral and transparent tone could be a good solution for you?



At the moment on top of my preferences there are these two models:. LAKE PEOPLE G100. LAKE PEOPLE G111



If I have correctly interpreted the specifications, the Lake People G 111 should have no difficulty in piloting the HD600.. The HD600 are high impedance headphones who needs a lot of "current". The Lake People has surplus power and voltage (it has a toroidal transformer powered) .

Output power 300 ohm-900 mw. Balanced/unbalanced outputs. Too bad for the lack of an "external" selector to adjust the gain.
Did someone try it coupled with an HD600?
Thanks To all
~ First, what do you mean by “liquid music”? With that aside, if you really want to use a high-impedance headphone such as the Sennheiser HD-600 (others would include Beyerdynamic DT-880, ZMF Auteur…), the best results will come from an output transformer-less tube h/p amplifier. Why the exclusion of tube amplification?
~ Anyway, as a high-impedance h/p, the Sennheiser HD-600 needs a decent voltage feed, not necessarily current feed. The Lake People G111 should be OK in this respect. The Lake People G100 will be harder to find; the G111 is its successor.
 
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~ First, what do you mean by “liquid music”? With that aside, if you really want to use a high-impedance headphone such as the Sennheiser HD-600 (others would include Beyerdynamic DT-880, ZMF Auteur…), the best results will come from an output transformer-less tube h/p amplifier. Why the exclusion of tube amplification?
~ Anyway, as a high-impedance h/p, the Sennheiser HD-600 needs a decent voltage feed, not necessarily current feed. The Lake People G111 should be OK in this respect. The Lake People G100 will be harder to find; the G111 is its successor.
Thanks, I figured I was the only one who has no idea what liquid music is.
 
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@Jonathan

Is the HD600 a headphone that gives a lot of detail when listening to a song?
I mostly listen to 70’s blues/rock and most of those recordings are of low quality.
Masters from the '60's and '70's used analog tape, and it' common to hear (CD transfer and Vinyl) "amount of hiss" and over saturation in the higher frequency range.
I would like to understand if HD600 will put even more in evidence all these imperfections to the point of making the whole
completely unplayable, or not.
 
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@Jonathan

Is the HD600 a headphone that gives a lot of detail when listening to a song?
I mostly listen to 70’s blues/rock and most of those recordings are of low quality.
Masters from the '60's and '70's used analog tape, and it' common to hear (CD transfer and Vinyl) "amount of hiss" and over saturation in the higher frequency range.
I would like to understand if HD600 will put even more in evidence all these imperfections to the point of making the whole
completely unplayable, or not.
The HD600 is definitely detailed yet it still retains a relatively smooth character. Based on your comments and concerns above, I think the HD650 or 6XX would be a better bet for you. It retains good detail but is more relaxed in the upper mids and highs than the 600.
 
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My amazing HD-600 meeting its wider soundstage, even more open feeling HE-60.

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What About DAC and Headphone Ampli?

Right now I am using the RME ADI-2 into Stax SRM-717 into HE-60. I bought it together with the Stax amp and was told this particular model is probably the best pairing for a "normal" budget. I agree when I hear the fantastic sound compared to some views that it's lacking in some departments. There is nothing missing here, there is bass, impact... apparently this is not the case on all amps.

What I find incredible is that the vocals sound as good as on the HD-600, but with more air, more space. I could not believe it when I did a bit of A/B testing and I preferred the HE-60 on vocals due to this expansive soundstage yet retained naturalness of the 600. This is not necessarily true for the entirety of the sound, there is still a more natural timbre for the 600 across the range, but the HE-60 is close on that, surprisingly.

The downside: If it breaks (although it looks/feels like it's new), I can hardly hope for repair parts; also all the desk space I am losing with this Stax monstrosity. :)

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