[mattrudy80]

But my Siemens E81CCs arrived today, they''ve been cooking in the Lyr for 45 min now, time to let them take me on a ride

Interested to hear what you think about the Siemens. I've been listening to a pair of ECC81 VF4 and they're really nice. Neutral, full sounding and very smooth.

 

[bcowen]

All this 801S and 802S talk is making me jealous. I've had to resort to DIY tubes...

 

[fotomeow]

All this 801S and 802S talk is making me jealous. I've had to resort to DIY tubes...

That’s tough bro, we’ll have to pass the hat around! (For spare tube parts-n-things )

 

[mattrudy80]

That’s tough bro, we’ll have to pass the hat around! (For spare tube parts-n-things )

I think I have an extra getter laying around...

 

[fotomeow]

Interested to hear what you think about the Siemens. I've been listening to a pair of ECC81 VF4 and they're really nice. Neutral, full sounding and very smooth.

Well, E81CC = ECC801s. Siemens would’ve called their E81CCs tubes ECC801s instead, but patents wouldn’t allow it.

the Siemens E81CCs are the Siemens answer to the Telefunken ECC801s at that time in the 60s.
And actually, let the sales guy Mark at the NYtubemuseum say it, from an email,
“New message from: tubemuseumusa (5,375)
E81CC is not just a ECC81.
E81CC is a ECC801S.(6201)
Both type tubes are a 6201. You can see right on the data sheet (Telefunken for example) that it's both marked ECC801S and 6201.
https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf/1037188/TELEFUNKEN/ECC801S/1

The Siemens quad is marked E81CC / 6201.
When Telefunken came out with the ECC801S, Siemens Halske of Munich, W.Germany wanted a competing product. Due to German copyright law Siemens couldn't use the same number ECC801S, so the flipped the numbers a little to their own E81CC.

Siemens also makes a plain-jane ECC81 and marks it that way too!
I'll have to go through testing about 50 tubes to make your order when I have some spare time - very busy with sales, everyone what's it yesterday!.
I'll let you know.
Thanks.”
——————————————————
And another email of info from Mark, (perhaps fodder for debate

“Siemens labelled BOTH ECC801S and E81CC on the 3-mica tubes.

The ECC801S we have only has 2-micas.

Both tubes are really 6201. The ECC8901S is synonymous with E81CC.

The 3-mica tube is the one you want. It's a better tube. Worth the little extra $.”

———————————-

So I’m hoping this quad of Siemens will compete with or be better than the HG Tele ECC801s.
I needed a quad for my phonostage, o/w I would’ve bought a pair of the Tele 801s from Indian eBay dealer

 

[billerb1]

Hey guys I was just kidding about those Tele 801S's. Now I feel bad. I thought you all knew. Things are junk.
Is it too late to say I'm sorry ???

 

[jb77]

I have two pairs of Telefunken ECC801s, and 4 pairs of Valvo 6201 - 1 - pinched waist double post o-getter blue Valvo, 2 - pinched waist single post o-getter (unbranded for export, Valvo codes), 3 - solid disc getter, single post (philips branded, Valvo date codes), 4 - o getter single post (philips branded, Valvo date codes).

The ECC801s and the 6201 are the best tubes I've heard. Both have incredible dynamics, huge soundstage and depth, separation, and detail retrieval. I'd say the Telefunken seem slightly more dynamic, and more neutral in the mids, though the increased dynamics on the tele could be due to the more neutral mids not masking the transients. I'm hard pushed to pick a favorite between them.

I also have a pair of Mullard 6201 on the way, along with 30 other various 12at7 types. I'll report back on findings, but I don't expect any of them to come close to the Tele ECC801s or the Valvo 6201s.

Hey guys I was just kidding about those Tele 801S's. Now I feel bad. I thought you all knew. Things are junk.
Is it too late to say I'm sorry ???

Good one @billerb1..... I am not buying it! ....lol

 

[AuditoryCanvas]

Well, E81CC = ECC801s. Siemens would’ve called their E81CCs tubes ECC801s instead, but patents wouldn’t allow it.

the Siemens E81CCs are the Siemens answer to the Telefunken ECC801s at that time in the 60s.
And actually, let the sales guy Mark at the NYtubemuseum say it, from an email,
“New message from: tubemuseumusa (5,375)
E81CC is not just a ECC81.
E81CC is a ECC801S.(6201)
Both type tubes are a 6201. You can see right on the data sheet (Telefunken for example) that it's both marked ECC801S and 6201.
https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf/1037188/TELEFUNKEN/ECC801S/1

The Siemens quad is marked E81CC / 6201.
When Telefunken came out with the ECC801S, Siemens Halske of Munich, W.Germany wanted a competing product. Due to German copyright law Siemens couldn't use the same number ECC801S, so the flipped the numbers a little to their own E81CC.

Siemens also makes a plain-jane ECC81 and marks it that way too!
I'll have to go through testing about 50 tubes to make your order when I have some spare time - very busy with sales, everyone what's it yesterday!.
I'll let you know.
Thanks.”
——————————————————
And another email of info from Mark, (perhaps fodder for debate

“Siemens labelled BOTH ECC801S and E81CC on the 3-mica tubes.

The ECC801S we have only has 2-micas.

Both tubes are really 6201. The ECC8901S is synonymous with E81CC.

The 3-mica tube is the one you want. It's a better tube. Worth the little extra $.”

———————————-

So I’m hoping this quad of Siemens will compete with or be better than the HG Tele ECC801s.
I needed a quad for my phonostage, o/w I would’ve bought a pair of the Tele 801s from Indian eBay dealer

Total horse sh1t, I have a pair of Siemens ECC801s, and there are several floating around. They’re just labeled e81cc in some markets just as the 6201 and ECC801s are sometimes.

 

[fotomeow]

Total horse sh1t, I have a pair of Siemens ECC801s, and there are several floating around. They’re just labeled e81cc in some markets just as the 6201 and ECC801s are sometimes.

Just curious, which part are you calling BS on?

Just the patent name-game? E81CC vs ECC801s VS 6201?
Or the sonic attributes of E81CC vs CC801s?
Or the sonic attributes of Tele vs Siemens?
Or the 3-mica vs 2-mica?
Or hotdogs vs hamburgers?
Or ..... ?

 

[TK16]

Hey guys I was just kidding about those Tele 801S's. Now I feel bad. I thought you all knew. Things are junk.
Is it too late to say I'm sorry ???

Never too late bro, that seller don`t mess around, provided tracking and already moving in the system, says Thursday delivery but may come sooner. Have you tried the Telefunken ECC82 smooth plates yet, those tubes fit your description of Telefunken tubes, the Heerlen 7316 D getters are the best Heerlen`s I heard to date by far. That includes the PW CCa and Heerlen D getter 6922 and the Heerlen 50`s ECC81.

 

[billerb1]

Never too late bro, that seller don`t mess around, provided tracking and already moving in the system, says Thursday delivery but may come sooner. Have you tried the Telefunken ECC82 smooth plates yet, those tubes fit your description of Telefunken tubes, the Heerlen 7316 D getters are the best Heerlen`s I heard to date by far. That includes the PW CCa and Heerlen D getter 6922 and the Heerlen 50`s ECC81.

I have not TK...been enjoying cruising and being very happy with what I have. They are on my list though. Hope I didn't steer you guys wrong with the ECC801S's...I'm sure they won't be everyone's cup of tea but I hope a few of you hear what I hear with them. Cheers !!!

 

[AuditoryCanvas]

Just curious, which part are you calling BS on?

Just the patent name-game? E81CC vs ECC801s VS 6201?
Or the sonic attributes of E81CC vs CC801s?
Or the sonic attributes of Tele vs Siemens?
Or the 3-mica vs 2-mica?
Or hotdogs vs hamburgers?
Or ..... ?

Definitely hot dogs.

Just the name part.

 

[mattrudy80]

I threw the Telefunken ECC82 smooth plates in that just came in the mail. They have taken the top spot for instrumentals over the ECC82 Valvo angled getter short plates. They make Saxophone Colossus come to life!

 

[TK16]

I have not TK...been enjoying cruising and being very happy with what I have. They are on my list though. Hope I didn't steer you guys wrong with the ECC801S's...I'm sure they won't be everyone's cup of tea but I hope a few of you hear what I hear with them. Cheers !!!

You did not sway me in either direction, I went with the trusted and valued members here, in their recommendations on the Telefunken ECC801S.

Edit: might not look like I was kidding with the new members here.

 

[jb77]

Hey guys I was just kidding about those Tele 801S's. Now I feel bad. I thought you all knew. Things are junk.
Is it too late to say I'm sorry ???

Never too late bro, that seller don`t mess around, provided tracking and already moving in the system, says Thursday delivery but may come sooner. Have you tried the Telefunken ECC82 smooth plates yet, those tubes fit your description of Telefunken tubes, the Heerlen 7316 D getters are the best Heerlen`s I heard to date by far. That includes the PW CCa and Heerlen D getter 6922 and the Heerlen 50`s ECC81.

Like TK said it’s never too late bro! @TK16 is right that seller does not mess around my pair already shipped and like TK should be here Thursday or sooner!

Hope I didn't steer you guys wrong with the ECC801S's...I'm sure they won't be everyone's cup of tea but I hope a few of you hear what I hear with them. Cheers !!!

@billerb1 I am curious if I hear what you do with these and it’s a pair I have been wanting to try.