[Rensek]

So yesterday I ordered a Bifrost 2 and a fancy schmancy silver remote for my original Saga.

I was wondering if Schiit has made any progress on a combo remote that allows us folks who own both components to control everything with one accessory.

Any comment @Jason Stoddard ?

 

[bobbmd]

I think it’s a great and fun place to hang out and discuss between Jason’s chapters and announcements.

Aside: Seems the standard off-topic here is cats, and over in Mike’s thread it’s coffee.
I love both

Happy holidays, Merry Christmas and Happy new year to All!

@tafens 'CATS' speaking of cats just got panned by both the WSJ and the NYT and the NYPost(that has to be a first) if any of you have these subscriptions or the actual papers the reviews are hilarious just made for this thread you will LOL bobbmd

 

[PioBeer]

Jason's been quiet lately. I hope that means that he has been working non-stop around the clock to bring the gadget out before Christmas. lol. (Probably just talking time off for the holidays. I guess Jason's entitled to a few days off )

 

[oryan_dunn]

I'd like to see a write up on it for the SYS, if you could.

I like having the ability to listen to mono when the speakers are pushed back along the corner of my listening room. Like when we have company over or if I am working on a project. I know it's borderline blasphemous amongst audiophiles, but I often just want the stereo on for non critical listening.

My listening area is a multipurpose family room, so it gets used for everything from parties, to movie night, to arts and crafts, woodworking, DIY, play area, dance floor etc.

Stereo/Mono Switch for Sys

EDIT: IMPORTANT, I should have stated, adding this mod will remove the reversibility of the Sys. In mono mode, it can only be safely used as a switch, not a splitter. If you use it as a splitter and want this switch, you'd need to reverse the input/output wires on the RCA jack/PCB.

I studied the service manuals for Marantz receivers from the 70s to figure out what they did, and I basically copied that design. The solution is very simple, a 4-pole double throw (4PDT) switch, when thrown one way, pass through of stereo, and the other, the stereo signals go through 2.2KOhm resistors and combine for mono. Even though it's a simple solution, it's kinda expensive because the switch I used is ~$18.

I used an infuriating online tool to draw the circuit diagram, so it's the best I could do quickly. They didn't have a 4PDT widget, so pretend the two DPDT are a single 4PDT.

For the wiring, I removed the output RCA jacks and bent the center pins up. Then I soldered wire to the contacts on the board for the input and then directly to the center pins for the output. In the picture, you can see the resistors soldered to the switch and the wire connecting all four top terminals of the switch.

As for mounting, I just drilled a hole in the Sys and used a finish nut outside, and a lockwasher and nut on the inside. Ended up looking ok, wish I would have been able to center it with the volume knob, but I think that was too low and the switch would have hit the circuit board. It was a bit tricky getting it mounted and back together because this mod ties the front/top panel to the bottom of the unit.

The way it's mounted, up is stereo, down is mono.

Parts List:
2x 2.2KOhm resistor RES 2.2K OHM 1/4W 0.1% AXIAL https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vqhd
1x 4PDT switch C&K 7401SYZBE https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vq95
1x dress nut C&K 776001201 https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vq9w
1x lockwasher C&K 700303202 https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vqbc
1x nut C&K 700201201 https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vqbj
Wire (I used some 22AWG solid I had on hand)

Imgur picture link:
https://imgur.com/a/oqSrbyp

 

[tincanear]

Stereo/Mono Switch for Sys

I studied the service manuals for Marantz receivers from the 70s to figure out what they did, and I basically copied that design. The solution is very simple, a 4-pole double throw (4PDT) switch, when thrown one way, pass through of stereo, and the other, the stereo signals go through 2.2KOhm resistors and combine for mono. Even though it's a simple solution, it's kinda expensive because the switch I used is ~$18.

I used an infuriating online tool to draw the circuit diagram, so it's the best I could do quickly. They didn't have a 4PDT widget, so pretend the two DPDT are a single 4PDT.

For the wiring, I removed the output RCA jacks and bent the center pins up. Then I soldered wire to the contacts on the board for the input and then directly to the center pins for the output. In the picture, you can see the resistors soldered to the switch and the wire connecting all four top terminals of the switch.

As for mounting, I just drilled a hole in the Sys and used a finish nut outside, and a lockwasher and nut on the inside. Ended up looking ok, wish I would have been able to center it with the volume knob, but I think that was too low and the switch would have hit the circuit board. It was a bit tricky getting it mounted and back together because this mod ties the front/top panel to the bottom of the unit.

The way it's mounted, up is stereo, down is mono.

Parts List:
2x 2.2KOhm resistor RES 2.2K OHM 1/4W 0.1% AXIAL https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vqhd
1x 4PDT switch C&K 7401SYZBE https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vq95
1x dress nut C&K 776001201 https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vq9w
1x lockwasher C&K 700303202 https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vqbc
1x nut C&K 700201201 https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vqbj
Wire (I used some 22AWG solid I had on hand)

Imgur picture link:
https://imgur.com/a/oqSrbyp

very nice job with the construction and detailed pics.

that being said, a similar, but simpler circuit can be made using for each channel with a 2.2K series resistor connecting the respective (left / right) input to output jack, then an spst switch to short the outputs together for mono mode. must be careful with not mixing inputs and outputs with this approach (or outputs of the driving source get shorted together when in mono mode)

 

[Jason Stoddard]

Jason's been quiet lately. I hope that means that he has been working non-stop around the clock to bring the gadget out before Christmas. lol. (Probably just talking time off for the holidays. I guess Jason's entitled to a few days off )

Absolutely slammed.

Jotunheim R first articles just came in, plus lots of new dev work, plus new chapters for Jot R and end of year wrap-up. Jot R looks good, but the caps they supplied are too tall, so we had to order different ones. Still, we may be able to ship by the end of the month.

As far as a couple of other suggestions here:

1. Yeah, I hear you on a "dead products" area, but the information isn't easily accessible and all the old specs are in much different forms. It's a months-long project that we simply don't have time for. Sorry.

2. Unified remote--yeah, again, I hear you, but what happens when we add additional products? Again, easier said than done, at least if we don't want to scrap a bunch of remotes and piss you off because you had to re-buy them. If you are absolutely set on having one remote, best to choose a universal one from a reputable company and go that way. Personally I have 3-5 remotes laying around all the time, I am lazy.

 

[oryan_dunn]

very nice job with the construction and detailed pics.

that being said, a similar, but simpler circuit can be made using for each channel with a 2.2K series resistor connecting the respective (left / right) input to output jack, then an spst switch to short the outputs together for mono mode. must be careful with not mixing inputs and outputs with this approach (or outputs of the driving source get shorted together when in mono mode)

Yeah, I had originally considered this approach, and it would definitely be simpler/cheaper. I decided on the 4PDT primarily so that when in stereo mode, the resistors wouldn't be in-line at all.

 

[r2muchstuff]

Arrived at rented condo where wife & I have run away for the holidays. Beach/ocean out front.
Set up transportable sound system, poured a nip, fixed dinner.
Anything but slammed

 

[tincanear]

Absolutely slammed.

Jotunheim R first articles just came in, plus lots of new dev work, plus new chapters for Jot R and end of year wrap-up. Jot R looks good, but the caps they supplied are too tall, so we had to order different ones. Still, we may be able to ship by the end of the month.

As far as a couple of other suggestions here:

1. Yeah, I hear you on a "dead products" area, but the information isn't easily accessible and all the old specs are in much different forms. It's a months-long project that we simply don't have time for. Sorry.

2. Unified remote--yeah, again, I hear you, but what happens when we add additional products? Again, easier said than done, at least if we don't want to scrap a bunch of remotes and piss you off because you had to re-buy them. If you are absolutely set on having one remote, best to choose a universal one from a reputable company and go that way. Personally I have 3-5 remotes laying around all the time, I am lazy.

secondary op to de-boss top cover to fit the taller caps???

seriously, glad to hear Jotunheim R is coming along.

hope Schiit has a good sales year, so more development budget for next year.

 

[ev666il]

BUT I could never transfer them to say Qobuz/TIDAL/even my iTunes library/or to A+3.5 or ROON they just sit in FINDER

You mean Roon/Audirvana won’t read your personal library of audio files? Being able to read them and stream from Tidal/Qobuz from within the same platform is their whole shtick! I’m using Audirvana and it plays my library of FLAC files no problem.

 

[Paladin79]

Stereo/Mono Switch for Sys

I studied the service manuals for Marantz receivers from the 70s to figure out what they did, and I basically copied that design. The solution is very simple, a 4-pole double throw (4PDT) switch, when thrown one way, pass through of stereo, and the other, the stereo signals go through 2.2KOhm resistors and combine for mono. Even though it's a simple solution, it's kinda expensive because the switch I used is ~$18.

I used an infuriating online tool to draw the circuit diagram, so it's the best I could do quickly. They didn't have a 4PDT widget, so pretend the two DPDT are a single 4PDT.

For the wiring, I removed the output RCA jacks and bent the center pins up. Then I soldered wire to the contacts on the board for the input and then directly to the center pins for the output. In the picture, you can see the resistors soldered to the switch and the wire connecting all four top terminals of the switch.

As for mounting, I just drilled a hole in the Sys and used a finish nut outside, and a lockwasher and nut on the inside. Ended up looking ok, wish I would have been able to center it with the volume knob, but I think that was too low and the switch would have hit the circuit board. It was a bit tricky getting it mounted and back together because this mod ties the front/top panel to the bottom of the unit.

The way it's mounted, up is stereo, down is mono.

Parts List:
2x 2.2KOhm resistor RES 2.2K OHM 1/4W 0.1% AXIAL https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vqhd
1x 4PDT switch C&K 7401SYZBE https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vq95
1x dress nut C&K 776001201 https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vq9w
1x lockwasher C&K 700303202 https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vqbc
1x nut C&K 700201201 https://www.digikey.com/short/p1vqbj
Wire (I used some 22AWG solid I had on hand)

Imgur picture link:
https://imgur.com/a/oqSrbyp

A very nice write up on what you did.

 

[bobbmd]

You mean Roon/Audirvana won’t read your personal library of audio files? Being able to read them and stream from Tidal/Qobuz from within the same platform is their whole shtick! I’m using Audirvana and it plays my library of FLAC files no problem.

@ev666il thanks for the reply—i probably didn’t explain this correctly-i have all those dead files and can play them one at a time in ‘FINDER’(they show up as music files one song at a time)i tried to transfer them to first TIDAL as a playlist and then to ROON and A+3.5 but couldn’t— i can’t seem to figure out how to do this. My system is late 2012 Mac mini i7 16GB RAM OS is El Capitan. Like you i have all my iTunes library of ripped cd’s dvd-a’s and sacd’s on ROON ver 1.7 on A+3.5(in the ‘legacy’ iTunes portion) and also on Qobuz and TIDAL— just don’t know to get those Archive.org dead songs in ‘FINDER’ into one of those platforms-hope that is a better explination (sic) bobbmd

 

[quimbo]

@oryan_dunn Hi I used archive to download ALL the dead's first/original songs first performed on stage some were good great or really bad depending on who did the 'boards' BUT I could never transfer them to say Qobuz/TIDAL/even my iTunes library/or to A+3.5 or ROON they just sit in FINDER --do you or anyone else have an easy way i can get them to where i can play them all at once? The songs were in exact order starting in 1965!!
That wayback machine sounds really cool i must have used it to get those dead downloads correct?
bobbmd

Song Debuts here, downloadable in mp3 and ogg - https://archive.org/details/AllGratefulDeadOriginalSongDebuts66-95

For something completely different - https://archive.org/details/attentionkmartshoppers

 

[Philosoraptor42]

Absolutely slammed.

Jotunheim R first articles just came in, plus lots of new dev work, plus new chapters for Jot R and end of year wrap-up. Jot R looks good, but the caps they supplied are too tall, so we had to order different ones. Still, we may be able to ship by the end of the month.

As far as a couple of other suggestions here:

1. Yeah, I hear you on a "dead products" area, but the information isn't easily accessible and all the old specs are in much different forms. It's a months-long project that we simply don't have time for. Sorry.

2. Unified remote--yeah, again, I hear you, but what happens when we add additional products? Again, easier said than done, at least if we don't want to scrap a bunch of remotes and piss you off because you had to re-buy them. If you are absolutely set on having one remote, best to choose a universal one from a reputable company and go that way. Personally I have 3-5 remotes laying around all the time, I am lazy.

just use the wayback machine. Appears to have most of the old pdfs and specs dating back to 2010. Requires a bit of legwork but I must imagine schiit would rather spend time making good products than doing a bunch of archiving legwork.

http://www.wayback.com/

 

[Roy G. Biv]

@ev666il thanks for the reply—i probably didn’t explain this correctly-i have all those dead files and can play them one at a time in ‘FINDER’(they show up as music files one song at a time)i tried to transfer them to first TIDAL as a playlist and then to ROON and A+3.5 but couldn’t— i can’t seem to figure out how to do this. My system is late 2012 Mac mini i7 16GB RAM OS is El Capitan. Like you i have all my iTunes library of ripped cd’s dvd-a’s and sacd’s on ROON ver 1.7 on A+3.5(in the ‘legacy’ iTunes portion) and also on Qobuz and TIDAL— just don’t know to get those Archive.org dead songs in ‘FINDER’ into one of those platforms-hope that is a better explination (sic) bobbmd

Here's what I did in Roon. Do a search in Roon for Grateful Dead. When you get the results, select "View All Tracks". When you get those results, on the far right side of the screen tap the upside down "^" symbol which will reveal some display options. Select the "Date Added" option. You should now have all of your Dead files listed with the most recent ones first. Select "Command A" to select all of the files. Once they're highlighted, at the top of the screen there's the icon with 3 vertical dots. Tap it and select "Add to a playlist" and follow the commands giving it a name that you'll remember. You'll now have ALL of your Dead songs in a playlist. The files should be listed with your newest ones first and they should play in order. You can manually delete any of your other Dead files from the list but that would be fairly time consuming. Hope this helps.