Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up
Sep 6, 2019 at 2:31 AM Post #50,281 of 148,552
This is between SOL and preamp or headphone amp? What do the terminals look like on the two devices? If its a screw post, they try something simple and inexpensive first, like a short length of scrap speaker wire (anything from 24 to 16 AWG to start with, thicker is better, connect both wires on both ends to the devices directly). For a more permanent installation, use "insulated" terminals with a matching ratcheting crimper. the colored insulator sleeves help provide strain relief.

Screw posts, I think.

On my inexpensive (and bought second hand) pro-ject, I crimped an automotive spade connector onto the earth cable, so that I could easily screw it to my amp's grounding post. While looking for a picture of what I mean, I found this and with I'd spend all of £1 to get a nice plated one.

https://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/...-7VPJOTk2QOT6oaZ0YUAagYBewuPt9SsaAmAsEALw_wcB

Works ok for me. My wire was getting hideously frayed before.
 
Sep 6, 2019 at 2:43 AM Post #50,282 of 148,552
Welcome to the club! I was one of the earliest Unison USB "secret" testers, on my Yggdrasil A2. After early firmware issues were fixed, I never looked back. I sold my expensive AES-output streamer and used instead the much cheaper Allo USBridge streamer I had

Interesting, you sold your expensive streamers - So meaning right now you still have the Yggdrail A2 with the Unison USB?
 
Sep 6, 2019 at 4:08 AM Post #50,283 of 148,552
Wow!
1. First it looked kind of sparse for the price. But then I start to appreciate the overall look and the metal I see. I always thought Schiit products looked great and this is no exception.

2. I think you guys are SERIOUSLY under-estimating the support issues that's coming your way. On your website, huge warning letters that stress that you are essentially assembling and configuring a turntable piece by piece needs to be slapped on next to the buy button.

How many people who purchase this would realistically be able to/willing to set it up? Are you prepared for a large amount of returns on brand new sols just because people didn't realize how involved the setup process is? 18 minutes in, I see somebody tying a fishing line to balance a weight! I have to physically move the belt from one attachment to another to go from 33 to 45 rpm not to mention that tone arm setup looks complicated.

That setup process seems so tough that I am going to have to pass till you guys figure out a ready made version. Sorry to come across as such a downer (record scratcher?) on what must be a real cool milestone for you guys. This is all probably basic vinyl 101 but I am clearly not experienced enough for it.
 
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Sep 6, 2019 at 4:50 AM Post #50,284 of 148,552
Wow!
1. First it looked kind of sparse for the price. But then I start to appreciate the overall look and the metal I see. I always thought Schiit products looked great and this is no exception.

2. I think you guys are SERIOUSLY under-estimating the support issues that's coming your way. On your website, huge warning letters that stress that you are essentially assembling and configuring a turntable piece by piece needs to be slapped on next to the buy button.

How many people who purchase this would realistically be able to/willing to set it up? Are you prepared for a large amount of returns on brand new sols just because people didn't realize how involved the setup process is? 18 minutes in, I see somebody tying a fishing line to balance a weight! I have to physically move the belt from one attachment to another to go from 33 to 45 rpm not to mention that tone arm setup looks complicated.

That setup process seems so tough that I am going to have to pass till you guys figure out a ready made version. Sorry to come across as such a downer (record scratcher?) on what must be a real cool milestone for you guys. This is all probably basic vinyl 101 but I am clearly not experienced enough for it.
yep Sol ain't for everybody
 
Sep 6, 2019 at 6:18 AM Post #50,286 of 148,552
2019, Chapter 13:
Tonight, Chickenpowder and Cocaine!
Or, Introducing Sol.


A few days ago, a friend in Tokyo posted this amazing example of fashion English (and French, I suppose, as well).



I think it accurately summarizes how I feel about introducing Sol: off-base, surreal, but highly entertained.

Because I wasn’t ready to do this. Not now. Not after so many disappointments. I mean, the last few months have really felt like a death march. We’d get in a new platter—and it would look like ass. We’d get in another new platter—and it wouldn’t run to spec. We’d get in small parts that looked like they were finished by blind badgers. We’d get in other small parts that would be out of round, or crooked, or inverted (?!) or some other incomprehensible level of screwed up. And this would happen pretty much every week, so the hits…they just kept on coming.

And here’s the really funny part: almost none of these parts were super critical. The bearing housing? No problem? The bearing? Cool. The tonearm pivot? No problem.

But without those small, not-super-critical parts, we didn’t have a turntable.

And I think it was the small drip, drip, drip of disappointment after disappointment that got me to the point where I never really thought we’d ship a turntable.

Like, ever.

And so when the guys came to me last week and said, “We have platters,” I figured there’d be caveat. Like “We have platters, but they look crappy.” Or “We have platters, but they are mis-centered.” Or something like that.

When I discovered they actually meant, “We have platters, and those platters are the last part we need, and we can ship,” my mind just went into bizarro mode. I just didn’t believe it. It couldn’t be possible.

Hell, I hadn’t written the chapter!

Hell, I hadn’t written the press release!

But I didn’t really go into full chickenpowder and cocaine mode until they also added, “And we’ve built 20 Sols.”

I blinked a couple of times and said something really intelligent, like, “What?”

They said, “We built 20 Sols.”

“As in, done?”

They nodded. “As in, done and in boxes.”

Everything went kinda hazy and gray for a bit, like the last time I gave blood and had a couple of beers. Or like when someone calmly tells you they got abducted by aliens, then shows you the one they shot in the back of their truck. Or when you meet Elvis in the men’s restroom.

Holyschiit holyschiit holyschiit. That actually meant we could ship Sols.

And so here I am this week, catching up. Because you know what? If we can ship Sols, we’re gonna do it!


A Salute to the Guys

The turntable is Mike Moffat’s baby. He’s the one who conceived it, he’s the guy who found the dude (Conrad Hoffman) who did the design heavy lifting, and he’s the guy who shepherded it through to the last year or so, when we both got too busy. For a refresher about how Sol came about, re-read the “Here Comes the Sol” chapter from earlier this year.

That’s when we handed over the mess to Tony, who, if you remember some even earlier chapters, was our second employee at Schiit. He’s long been a great tech, but handing over Sol for him to manage is one of the best things we’ve done. He took it to the end zone, so to speak, working with our vendors to finally fix all the last tiny issues on the product. He also set up the production space (see pics below—yep, it’s modest, but I find it comfortingly reminiscent of the garage era of Schiit—a small, raw new area that will hopefully grow), did all the prototype assembly, built the first few dozen tonearms, and also did the setup video. In short, we couldn’t have done it without Tony.



Tony now has his own minion, Elvis (no, not that one), one of the newest members of our staff. Elvis is doing great work getting us organized for Sol production, and already the production area is one of the best structured in the shop. And Elvis is busy training others to help with Sol production, even as Tony is out at RMAF.

Aside: I won’t be at RMAF. Still too much to do. Don’t weep for me, I like doing this stuff!

And I’d be remiss not to mention Tyler, who runs the HR and accounting side here, and who was also instrumental in helping the vendors understand, ahem, what we meant by “consumer quality,” and in helping Tony get the final parts hammered down. And Alex, the long-suffering director of operations, who worked with Tyler, Tony, and myself to make sure things happened.

In short, Sol took a lot of people a lot of time to get right…but it is finally right, and we’re going to start shipping…

…slowly and cautiously.


Slow and Paranoid

As I mentioned in the last chapter, Sol is the most mechanically complex product we’ve ever made. This means that, even after building 50 or so of these (with shockingly few glitches), even after measuring a couple, even after all of that, we’re gonna go slow at this. Lots of testing, lots of proving, lots of paranoia. Like Bifrost 2, but x10.

Which is good, because we’ll have a better shot at shipping you a mechanically ideal product. So far, things have worked very well, and the critical tolerance parts are all well within tolerance. But we’re continuing to measure and test, to make sure Sol is really, really good.

The old hands know what this means. “It means you’re gonna go into backorder,” they say.

Well, hopefully not, but we are not promising our usual 1-3 day shipping time on Sol. We’ve backed it off to 5-7 days. Hopefully it won’t go longer. Hopefully there won’t be a backorder. But we’ll see.

Because we’d all rather ship 100 good Sols than 1000 bad ones.


Why You Don’t Want a Sol, AKA “The Video”

When I realized we could ship Sol this week, I also realized several other things. I covered my lack of wordage above. But, most importantly, we also didn’t have a setup video. Tony had said he would do one, but he was also doing a bunch of the heavy lifting for RMAF. And he was leaving for RMAF on Tuesday! Argh.

Could we put together a video in time?

Yes, with the help of a friend and videographer we’ve worked with in the past. Tony and I came in on Monday, and while he and Brian were shooting video, I did the final shots for the owner’s manual. Kinda fun, actually, like old times at the agency.

The result is a 25-minute-long video that goes through all the setup and adjustment on Sol.

All the setup. All the adjustment.



As in, this isn’t a “take it out of the box and play records,” kinda thing. This is a turntable where literally every part is adjustable. VTA? Yep. Cartridge angle? Sure. Cueing height? Yep. Platter height? Yep. Motor pulley height? Yep. Arm cup height? Youbetcha. Anti-skate? Absolutely.

Plus: you have to buy your own cartridge.

And more plus: we expect you to have a phono preamp. Or buy one.

This kinda crazy high-level-of-owner-interaction experience is alien, if the only turntable you’ve ever used is a typical entry-level table. So if you’re not into doing an hour or so of tweaking, Sol probably isn’t for you.

The payoff for all this insanity? Lots better performance.

Sol follows the patters of uber-high-end turntables: no MDF or acrylic in sight, no standard cartridge, literally everything adjustable. You can dial in Sol’s performance to an insane degree, to extract amazing performance from even very expensive cartridges. But again, we get it: not everyone wants to go through the trouble.

So, here’s a suggestion: when you’re doing your morning workout, put on the Sol video. See if it looks reasonable. If it does, you’re a good candidate for Sol. If not, there’s a ton of other options out there.

If you do go for it, you’ll have a turntable that's really, really yours. You’ll also have a turntable you can easily swap arms on—affordable arms, so if you want to have a cartridge specifically for mono and one for stereo, no problem. Or if you want to have a dozen, that’s cool too. Though a bit weird. But hey, so is owning a turntable in (nearly) 2020.


Future Spin

Mike and I have talked about tons of crazy stuff for the future, from pre-set-up arms with various cartridges, bases and dust covers to AC motor controllers to different options for the platter casting to active suspension systems, but all that is a bit beyond the pale. I can’t really think about that right now. It’s like worrying about whether gray aliens are real and if they are actually making alien-human hybrids.

So yeah. There may be more. But for now, we’re going to go with what we have: a basic turntable, at a fair price, that you can order an extra arm for, or add a Mani to, that we’ll build slowly and carefully to make sure they’re the best they can be…

…and then we’ll see what happens tomorrow.

In the meantime, let us know what you think!


Congratulations to Jason, Mike and the team at Schiit for launching Sol.
It has been quite a project!
It is clearly a very well-designed and well-engineered product, which I have no doubt will be a great success.,
I am not sure whether I will 'go back' to vinyl, having stored my vinyl in boxes about 20 years ago, but if I do, the Sol will definitely be top of my list for a new turntable.
I am still holding out for the new Schiit CD Transport to use with my Yggy A2 as I think it could be fantastic.
So far, I have managed to resist the temptation of buying a CD transport from another manufacturer, as I like Mike's idea about BWD/USB connections, and destination clock so much.
 
Sep 6, 2019 at 7:32 AM Post #50,288 of 148,552
Hopefully people are enlightened enough to realize and admit this.

Personally, if I had the budget for this, I'd take it to a nearby hifi shop and pay them to do the hard bits for me. I was quite happy to get them to fit a new cartridge to my pro-ject and set the counterweight on the tonearm.

I should probably be embarrassed about that, but I'm not. It wasn't expensive. Plus it sounds good.

Amount of input shouldn't put people off. I'd be exploring nearby hifi shops for services.
 
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Sep 6, 2019 at 8:12 AM Post #50,289 of 148,552
Interesting, you sold your expensive streamers - So meaning right now you still have the Yggdrail A2 with the Unison USB?
The old configuration was Auralic Aries Femto>AES>Yggdrasil A2. I also had an Allo USBridge around that I was not using at the time. I tested Unison USB with the Allo USBridge. After it was debugged, it was clear that it sounded better than the old configuration. I sold the Aries.
 
Sep 6, 2019 at 8:30 AM Post #50,290 of 148,552
The old configuration was Auralic Aries Femto>AES>Yggdrasil A2. I also had an Allo USBridge around that I was not using at the time. I tested Unison USB with the Allo USBridge. After it was debugged, it was clear that it sounded better than the old configuration. I sold the Aries.
Foggy response, usually you’re pretty clear:ksc75smile:
 
Sep 6, 2019 at 9:02 AM Post #50,291 of 148,552
The old configuration was Auralic Aries Femto>AES>Yggdrasil A2. I also had an Allo USBridge around that I was not using at the time. I tested Unison USB with the Allo USBridge. After it was debugged, it was clear that it sounded better than the old configuration. I sold the Aries.

Yes I am pretty aware of your old Auralic Aries Femto which, in all honesty, I was surprised that you removed it from your setup (and signature I believe) sometime ago but I didnt bother to ask. For sure Schiit will come out with an upgrade Unison usb module for the Yggdrasil and the Gungnir.

Foggy response, usually you’re pretty clear:ksc75smile:
We can all read between the lines -> @earnmyturns is one of the first Yggdrasil owners with the Unison usb. Haha
 
Sep 6, 2019 at 9:14 AM Post #50,292 of 148,552
yep Sol ain't for everybody

IMG_0937.jpg My daughter's kitten would love a Sol, especially the little weight hanging from the fishing line. :smile_phones: I may consider one once I get some kind of plexiglass box built.
 
Sep 6, 2019 at 10:22 AM Post #50,293 of 148,552
My daughter's kitten would love a Sol, especially the little weight hanging from the fishing line. :smile_phones: I may consider one once I get some kind of plexiglass box built.

Ha - my first reaction when seeing the Sol is that it is probably the least cat-proofed turntable I've ever seen. :smile_cat:
 
Sep 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Post #50,294 of 148,552
My daughter's kitten would love a Sol, especially the little weight hanging from the fishing line. :smile_phones: I may consider one once I get some kind of plexiglass box built.

Ha - my first reaction when seeing the Sol is that it is probably the least cat-proofed turntable I've ever seen. :smile_cat:

The Sol is a fully adjustable Cat Toy and Turntable.

Just like the ad campaign that Dogs Love Subarus, Schiit should do a Cats Love Schiit campaign!

Insert Photos of cats sleeping on Schiit Amps and DACs here.

Edit: and videos of Ren and Stimpy episode with the "Don't Pee on the Electric Fence" game.
 
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