Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up
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Great suggestion, but now I'm wondering if I should invest on a better tube for my Saga... any suggestions?
Saga, having a gain of 1 / 0dB / buffer stage only, and no gain stage, the sound is likely to be less impacted by tube rolling. If you want more of a tube sound, consider a Vali 2 (the prev gen without the added transistor driver stage) running on high gain, with a stack of tube savers, and an adapter to use your larger octals (e.g. 6SN7).
 
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It came with a Tung Sol GTB, which I also have in my Darkvoice. Just curious, I don't want to spend a lot, just wondering if another option exists for an inexpensive amount.
Lots of options, start looking for 6SN7s. New production and some NOS Russians are good tovery good for not much…
 
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Saga, having a gain of 1 / 0dB / buffer stage only, and no gain stage, the sound is likely to be less impacted by tube rolling. If you want more of a tube sound, consider a Vali 2 (the prev gen without the added transistor driver stage) running on high gain, with a stack of tube savers, and an adapter to use your larger octals (e.g. 6SN7).
Yup, adapters open up a whole new universe of tube rolling. Just scratching the surface of possibilities, but here's the Vali 2 with a 7N7 (which is a 6SN7 electrically but with a different base):

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And a 6CG7 (mentioned earlier here) has the same pinout as the 6BZ7 the Vali ships with so no adapter needed...but you'll get a different sound:

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Saga, having a gain of 1 / 0dB / buffer stage only, and no gain stage, the sound is likely to be less impacted by tube rolling. If you want more of a tube sound, consider a Vali 2 (the prev gen without the added transistor driver stage) running on high gain, with a stack of tube savers, and an adapter to use your larger octals (e.g. 6SN7).
Saga's were used in a 6sn7 shootout I helped Jason with but they are the only Schiit tube product I have not owned. Jason warned me at the time it was a buffer stage so you are very accurate in your assessment. I can hear a little tube difference in Lyr 3 but not on the level with which @bcowen can differentiate between tubes using said amp. I have done plenty of listening with the Vali 2 and various tubes and adapters and it can be a lot of fun for little money and 6sn7's do run safely in that amp with a proper adapter, or two. :ksc75smile: IMG_0587.jpg
 
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A few of us here built Schiit Coaster amps (Vali mini) and while I never succeeded in mounting one inside a scotch bottle, it was fun trying to find the perfect sized bottle for said use. :beerchug:

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The magic eight ball was a much better fit, perfect in fact.

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Saga's were used in a 6sn7 shootout I helped Jason with but they are the only Schiit tube product I have not owned. Jason warned me at the time it was a buffer stage so you are very accurate in your assessment. I can hear a little tube difference in Lyr 3 but not on the level with which @bcowen can differentiate between tubes using said amp. I have done plenty of listening with the Vali 2 and various tubes and adapters and it can be a lot of fun for little money and 6sn7's do run safely in that amp with a proper adapter, or two. :ksc75smile:

Totally agree that the Vali 2 is lots of fun to play with, and sounds far better than its price would even remotely suggest. My HP journey started with a Vali 2 and a Modi Multibit, and when I upgraded to the Lyr 3 I stupidly sold the Vali 2 (to a friend) thinking I didn't "need" it any more. Well, I truly didn't need it (but 'need' and 'audio toys' should never be used in the same sentence :smile:) so I snapped up a replacement from B-stock a couple months later.

Here's a PSVane CV-181T Mk II (a 6SN7 with another name), and the Vali never tipped over:

PSVane Vali.jpg


A Mullard CV3986 (a flying lead tube with specs similar to a 6922):

Mullard CV3986 in Vali 2.jpg


And a couple adapters for, um, flexibility. Yeah, flexibility. :smile: The only limitation is your imagination (and knowing how to read a tube spec sheet):

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A few of us here built Schiit Coaster amps (Vali mini) and while I never succeeded in mounting one inside a scotch bottle, it was fun trying to find the perfect sized bottle for said use. :beerchug:


The magic eight ball was a much better fit, perfect in fact.

It's a shame you poured all that scotch down the drain just trying to get the bottle. Reminds me of dumping all the cereal out of the box just trying to get the toy (for those of us old enough to remember those days). :laughing:
 
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It's a shame you poured all that scotch down the drain just trying to get the bottle. Reminds me of dumping all the cereal out of the box just trying to get the toy (for those of us old enough to remember those days). :laughing:
Wait are you saying you can drink the stuff? Please note I can get by with the 17 year old but if you ever send me a bottle, make it the 21 year old. :L3000: Ripper sent me a fine bottle of cognac so you have to outdo him right?
 
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Wait are you saying you can drink the stuff? Please note I can get by with the 17 year old but if you ever send me a bottle, make it the 21 year old. :L3000: Ripper sent me a fine bottle of cognac so you have to outdo him right?
I've sent you several bottles way older than that already. They just didn't have liquor in them. :laughing:

And I outdid @Ripper2860 just by getting up this morning....
 
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Finally, a proper tube image! :sunglasses:
There are tubes on the Coaster, it is a hybrid amp but they are kind of tiny. I was also trying to make an Escher sphere with a coaster in it, thus the mold of my right hand.
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There are tubes on the Coaster, it is a hybrid amp but they are kind of tiny. I was also trying to make an Escher sphere with a coaster in it, thus the mold of my right hand.
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Now that's a truly interesting picture. Your thumb is on the wrong side for your right hand, yet your left hand is on your knee? Unless you have two left hands like me. :smile:
 
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Now that's a truly interesting picture. Your thumb is on the wrong side for your right hand, yet your left hand is on your knee? Unless you have two left hands like me. :smile:
Good catch, and you are most certainly sinistral. :L3000:
 
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Now that's a truly interesting picture. Your thumb is on the wrong side for your right hand, yet your left hand is on your knee? Unless you have two left hands like me. :smile:
Actually, no, the picture is correct. Try standing in front of your bathroom mirror and raising your right hand...
 

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