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Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up

Discussion in 'Jason Stoddard' started by jason stoddard, Jan 23, 2014.
  1. Derrick Swart
    Welkom!
    What is your budget for amp / dac combo? What cans do you use?

    I use hd6xx with fulla2 and vali2: great tunes!
     
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  2. Jason Stoddard
    If you want a one-box solution, either of the cards is fine. I use the True Multibit card everyday in Lyr 3, without any crazy USB decrapification. It works fine. The 4490 card in Asgard makes a very affordable combo. If you need additional inputs, then we have plenty of DACs to choose from, and there are tons of other options out there. It's entirely up to you.
     
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  3. Jason Stoddard
    Thanks! Fixed.
     
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  4. Paladin79
    @Jason Stoddard since you use the Lyr 3, your choice, whichever 6sn7 equivalent tube you, or your group likes best among the eight you will be receiving Monday, will be yours to keep. I would be honored if you listened to it on occasion. I will be changing out several tubes for the next challenge anyway and I have extras of most everything I sent you.

    Tom
     
  5. Alcophone
    Interesting. :) Presumably that was before this, so I didn't know about it:
    Yupp, it's fine! I've used the original AK4490 module in the Jotunheim with an AmazonBasics USB cable for a while without any tweaks. Then a B-Stock Mimby with PYST RCA cables, also Gen 2.x. It works, doesn't sound awful.
    With an iSilencer, I find it to be even finer, is all.

    As Jason said, Gen 2 works. I'd say it's more improvable than Gen 5 (or Unison), but that doesn't mean it's not good enough. The iSilencer is just a USB dongle, I put it into a USB hub, and the USB cable into the iSilencer, done. No extra power supply needed and hardly any extra space. A convenient, low cost tweak, not required, but appreciated.
     
  6. Jason Stoddard
    Have we ever specified the generation of USB interface used on the cards?

    Also, have we ever specified the generation of USB interface used on Modi 3?

    In both cases, we haven't, because it was considered a non-issue. Gen 2 was a selling point when it was new. Once Gen 3 and 5 came out, Gen 2 was just a de facto standard. We learned a few things about Gen 2 along the way, so it's really a later revision, but it's not Gen 3 (different chip) or Gen 5 (isolated). So it's some weird in-between thing.

    In short, the cards' USB interfaces haven't changed. There are no silent revisions.

    We went through this in the development of Unison USB, we went through boards marked Gen 7 and 8 and 9 and 10 and then somehow 6 showed up, and finally Mike and I decided we should probably just name the thing so it wasn't so confusing.

    Will Unison USB show up on the cards? Sure, at some point. When? No clue. Dave and I haven't even discussed it yet. Given our current time to develop and debug new products, especially considering that we haven't shipped the Unison USB cards for Bifrost OG, Gungnir, and Yggdrasil, and we have yet to even show anything with a non-isolated Unison implementation, because the isolated one probably won't fit, you're probably looking at a year or more from now.
     
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  7. Charente
    I don't profess to know (technically) how the signal might end up through a UNISON device ... and, perhaps, for Schiit/Unison chains it doesn't make any sense. But it might make sense for non-Schiit chains. But, I can see why Schiit may not wish to pursue that option.
     
  8. Jason Stoddard
    There's exactly one reason why we wouldn't want to pursue that option: slooooow sales. Like I said, if Eitr was selling like Mani, we'd definitely have a Unison USB Eitr out right quick.
     
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  9. Charente
    Yes, I can see that as well ... I have 3 EITRs and judging by their serial numbers it doesn't seem to me to have moved that well ... if that is a reasonable metric to use.
     
  10. Alcophone
    Huh! It's certainly hard to find evidence that you have. But, kinda:

    Screenshot (3).png

    That's my Jotunheim. I wasn't sure whether it was picking up on drivers I may have installed, hence that extra dialog from clicking on "Driver Details".

    Ironically, the Modi Multibit just says "Modi Multibit", not "Schiit USB Audio Gen 2".

    Well! There's a lot of competition in that market, and the tendency to chase the latest and greatest. I'm sure a Unison Eitr would sell better than the current one, at least initially.
    The competition tends to have more options in terms of downstream connectivity (not just Coax), often has a display for the sample rate, sometimes doesn't require external power, etc.
    I2S is especially popular to squeeze the most out of DACs that support it, usually preferred over even AES or BNC. So apart from how well the Eitr performs USB to Coax conversion compared to others, there's a lot it doesn't do, surely contributing to sales. And apparently people are buying $600+ DDCs like the Singxer SU-6, so there might be some room for a more expensive Eitr with more features.

    How big the market ultimately is, I obviously don't know, so not updating or expanding Eitr may still be the right move. But I still have hopes for Mike's dream of a digital preamp. :wink:
     
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  11. Jason Stoddard
    Must be an old card. We went to more descriptive USB strings a while back, probably when we went to the second generation 4490 card (which was not a silent revision.)

    In any case, we've never used Gen 2 in the description or marketing. So we're both right!
     
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  12. Alcophone
    Oh yeah, it's definitely the original AK4490 module.
    It's funny how I was dead certain it was Gen 2, when you basically just never said that it was Gen 5, which I'm sure you would have mentioned. :-D
     
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  14. Jason Stoddard
    If "soon" means "within the next 2-3 years," then yes. Otherwise magic 8-ball say, "Future is cloudy, ask again."
     
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  15. Ableza
    I love it when a user tells a designer they are wrong about something they designed. It has happened to me before and I was not so kind... Well handled by both in this thread.
     

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