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Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up

Discussion in 'Jason Stoddard' started by jason stoddard, Jan 23, 2014.
  1. Ragnar-BY
    Yes and no.

    Power conditioner do make a difference, I agree. This difference might be quite notable in transparent system, I agree.

    But in some locations mains power could be "good enough". Equipment with well-designed PSU could benefit from clean power less than other, because good PSU is effectively filtering out mains noise. Some equipment would show no improvement at all.

    Money spent on acoustics get you a lot of improvements. Money, spent on amps and DACs give you less, but still these are effective upgrades. Changing your laptop for dedicated streamer would give you even less bang for a buck. And only after that it`s time to spend some cash on a power regenerator. A lot of audio enthusiasts would stop at a DAC stage, because people generally can`t afford all toys they want.

    That`s why power regenerators are not so popular. I would not call power filtering/conditioning/regenerating useless. But it`s neither first, nor even second thing a music lover should care about.
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  2. Ragnar-BY
    And unfortunately, there are no $99 power regenerators that would be as good, as Magni is for it`s price.
  3. flargosa
    You are essentially making the argument that audiophiles wouldn't pay more for a little sonic improvement and that "good enough" is what they are after. I don't know if you are right on that one. Anyway, maybe power regenerators for headphone amps can be lower in price, because less power requirements.
  4. Ragnar-BY
    Well, as a person, who have "audiophile USB-cable" I definitely would not say that :beyersmile:

    Initial question was "Why isn't power regenerators popular among headphone users?" And as an honest person I`ve answered "because they do less than they cost".

    From the audiophile position I can say only one thing - buy everything, try everything and have fun. Even the most weird snake oil (like cable stands) is good if you have fun playing with it.
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  5. AndreYew
  6. JamminVMI
    We had friends in from the UK the other day, and they commented on a Prop 65 label they had seen somewhere at LAX, so I grabbed a Schiit box and read your “warning” aloud - to lots of laughter... (No, we hadn’t started drinking at that point.)

    Almost as good as the outhouses at Pocock... Life’s more fun when you DO pay attention...
  7. Ableza
    1) because their impact is very much dependent on the quality of power in one's home and in some cases they have no impact at all; 2) because they are expensive, expensive to make, and tend to be large; 3) because most audio companies spend a lot of design time and money creating power supplies that do not need these things; 4) Schiit making such a device would take resources away from other more important to their future and likely more lucrative efforts; 5) but hey, if you want to go for it and then think it rocks your world, more power to you!
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  8. ItsAllInMyHead
    Great thoughts. One point to potentially discuss. The agency in my opinion does nothing of the sort for #2. They only handle #1, and it is a core purpose of their mission. Consumers handle #2 based on the accuracy and good faith behind #1 (and how much the labeled designation is valued against their pocket book).
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  9. Ableza
    Country of origin labels are required by law, by international trade agreements and by customs and government import/export agencies. Their main reason for existence today is legal (liability, certifications, taxation, tariffs.) The reason there are rules on conditions for labeling something as "Made In" wherever is bureaucratic.
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  10. sam6550a
    The way our regulatory bodies work, they probably will disqualify this company because the gin and loom utilize lubricants that originated outside of the US.
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  11. sam6550a
    If equipment designers would consider poor AC power quality in their designs, there would be no need for these devices. Often, the power supply is the last thing 'designed', and often depends on 'cook book' solutions. Not a good deal.
  12. porchwizard
    Your comments would seem to be a generalization / opinion about some parts of the audio industry. Having read Jason's book/posts it is clear that Schiit spends a great deal of time and energy on power supplies. One of the things I enjoy with this group is all the various equipment comparisons and mentions that I often follow up on to learn more about all the cool stuff in the crazy/cool audiophile world (I really started from what I would call Hi Fi and I only have a toe in audiophilia, or to paraphrase Suicidal Tendencies, "All I wanted was a DAC."). One thing manufacturers seem almost anal about is power supplies. Maybe I'm just living under a bridge but It seems like this may be a solution in search of a problem.
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  13. artur9
    Given the contents of this posting, you need to get your Simi Valley suppliers to send over some of their very fine wines. I have very fond memories of a trip there long ago.

    How about proving something was made in the USA by disintegrating it and showing that the isotope percentages could only have originated in the US?

    Lastly, the label I don't like is "Designed <somewhere>, Manufactured in China." I need my components manufactured in exotic locations like Valencia or Cleveland :wink:
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  14. sam6550a
    Without getting into specific equipment, many pieces of audio gear that are produced utilize common 3 terminal series regulators and adjustable regulators configured in common 'cook book' configurations with suggested parts values, which keeps costs down. Other audio devices may use these common parts, but the designer has selected a robust design philosophy incorporating these parts. Same active parts, but a big difference in performance. It is like cooking-----start with the same ingredients, but the cake depends upon the skill of the baker to put it together.
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  15. KoshNaranek
    Brimar UK is trying to re establish Valve Production in the UK. They apparently have partially refurbished a grid winding machine and are in the rather slow process of getting a factory up and running.

    The video of the test run of the winding machine is below


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