Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up
Oct 19, 2024 at 8:30 PM Post #168,631 of 174,031
1. Retail as an experience - one of the reasons Apple 🍎 stores are amongst the most profitable retailers per square foot is they provide excellent customer experiences from start to finish (I do not like Apple, but one has to respect good practices).
Apple can have good customer service, but their retail store experience has to be among the most horrific I've ever experienced. The noise level and crowding in their stores is unreal and makes it borderline traumatic for this introvert. It's so loud in there that you literally can't think and you have to resort to shouting at the employee when talking and them shouting at you.
 
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Oct 19, 2024 at 8:34 PM Post #168,632 of 174,031
Origin doesn’t matter.
Performance and quality does.

(No qualifiers.)

But if an American mfg'ed brand is on equal footing with a non-American mfg'ed brand then I would imagine it should receive preference given that Schiit makes such a big deal about being made in America. If it's important that Schiit makes their gear in America then it should be important that gear they present and sell via the US Schiitr also be made in America to the extent possible and where it represents a state of the art and true value at the price point.

I just think it would be out of character and a bit of a hypocrisy if they did not favor American made where possible. Not to the exclusion of non-USA products of course - just to seek out and give preference where it makes sense to support other American made companies and products.

IMHO.

* I'm referring to partnerships where Schiit would sell 3rd party gear at the Schiitr.
 
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Oct 19, 2024 at 9:31 PM Post #168,634 of 174,031
Personally I would use one turntable and switch over to each phono preamp under test. Levels would have to be adjusted of course then the outputs of each preamp would be switched before the preamp and amp. 1-1, 2-2, 3-3 and someone else should decide which phono preamp goes where. It requires an accomplice and that person controls the switches. All you should see or know is you are hearing 1,2, or 3. I have also split the signal from the same source device but I prefer switches.🤪

In Jason’s shootout I split the source signal to four Sagas then used a switch box so the Sagas would connect to an amp and speakers one at a time. In another case I build four identical amps. I best not get into scoring, your gear and your ears.😉

You do have to understand that all a switch box does is complete a circuit and those I have built use the highest quality switches, cabling or wire. Eventually you are using cables to go from one device to another. That is unavoidable.

By early next year I may well be able to build a proper test setup since I can lay my hands on multiple high end phono preamps including Schiit of course. Friends can run it through their lab since I keep less test gear now. When completed most any homeowner could try the setup.
How can you make that work with MC-level (e.g. 0.3mV signals)? I just have issues with splitting/switching such low levels…? Haven’t DONE it, but, the engineer in me… [edited to make voltage point accurate for a low output coil…]
 
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Oct 19, 2024 at 9:43 PM Post #168,635 of 174,031
No Devore fans?
One of these days I need to get out to Oswald Mills... (that homepage image would be something to see in a Schiitr)
 
Oct 19, 2024 at 9:48 PM Post #168,636 of 174,031
How can you make that work with MC-level (e.g. 3pm signals)? I just have issues with splitting/switching such low levels…? Haven’t DONE it, but, the engineer in me…
Well for one thing I was not talking splitting that signal. The engineer in me has done it with switching.🤪 Switching just opens or completes a circuit. Impedance is not even a factor over six inches or less of wire. Sorry but I do not understand your logic. The signal exits a turntable generally with coaxial cables and RCA connectors regardless of cartridge type used. Do you think those destroy the signal as well?😁 Also I understand a 3mv signal, was that what you are referring to?
Also when I mentioned adjusting levels it would be at the preamp stage not phono preamp.
 
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Oct 19, 2024 at 10:37 PM Post #168,637 of 174,031
But if an American mfg'ed brand is on equal footing with a non-American mfg'ed brand then I would imagine it should receive preference given that Schiit makes such a big deal about being made in America. If it's important that Schiit makes their gear in America then it should be important that gear they present and sell via the US Schiitr also be made in America to the extent possible and where it represents a state of the art and true value at the price point.

I just think it would be out of character and a bit of a hypocrisy if they did not favor American made where possible. Not to the exclusion of non-USA products of course - just to seek out and give preference where it makes sense to support other American made companies and products.

IMHO.

* I'm referring to partnerships where Schiit would sell 3rd party gear at the Schiitr.
A lot depends on what the purpose of the Schittr is (or becomes): a venue to showcase Schiit products, or an audio store? Not that there's anything wrong with either approach (personally, any place with audio toys is cool with me), but the more things for sale, the less the focus on Schiit.
 
Oct 19, 2024 at 10:44 PM Post #168,638 of 174,031
2. Side note, my headphone set-up seems to be more 'present' when I turn on my Loki Mini, even with tone controls defeated. Perhaps it is providing extra voltage over the switcher I'm using before it.
iirc- The Loki Mini does boost the output voltage just a hair (2db iirc) even in bypass mode. I have one and I notice the same phenomena when it is on.
 
Oct 19, 2024 at 11:20 PM Post #168,639 of 174,031
A lot depends on what the purpose of the Schittr is (or becomes): a venue to showcase Schiit products, or an audio store? Not that there's anything wrong with either approach (personally, any place with audio toys is cool with me), but the more things for sale, the less the focus on Schiit.
Agree. It does make some sense, at least in my mind to offer DCA headphones, given the existing relationship with the folks in San Diego. Speakers? That might be a dodgier proposition, but whatever is chosen for the speaker room(s) could easily create a synergistic relationship from day 1. Time will tell.

But whatever it is, it must have a use case with Schiit gear. And the “Made in America” thing makes sense to me, FWIW.
 
Oct 19, 2024 at 11:45 PM Post #168,640 of 174,031
A lot depends on what the purpose of the Schittr is (or becomes): a venue to showcase Schiit products, or an audio store? Not that there's anything wrong with either approach (personally, any place with audio toys is cool with me), but the more things for sale, the less the focus on Schiit.
My comments are only in response to Jason mentioning the possibility of partnering with other audio mfgs. I would imagine that these partnerships would be complimentary to Schiit's offerings.
 
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Oct 20, 2024 at 12:01 AM Post #168,641 of 174,031
2024 Chapter 10
Schiitr 2: The Sequel


So now there’s no Schiitr.

For those of you just stopping by, the Schiitr was our first retail store. It was a fully captive operation—as in, it sold only Schiit products, was owned and operated by us, and had Schiit employees (Will, of late) running the show.

And, what started as a bit of a lark (on April Fool’s Day, no less) really ended up being an unqualified success. The Schiitr made money. The Schiitr hosted meets—you may have seen me talking at one. The Schiitr drew visitors from around the country and internationally—yes, internationally. And the Schiitr provided a place for us to do important demos and launches, like when we had the press out for Yggdrasil LIM and MIL.

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“So if it’s so great, why is it closed?” someone asks.

In short, lots of little reasons, and one big one.

The little reasons were largely due to, ah, size.
  • The Schiitr was physically small—less than 1000 square feet.
  • The smallness meant a very small speaker room, not ideal for demoing what our 2-channel stuff could do.
  • The smallness also meant that the home theater area (for Syn) was also, well, less impressive than it should be.
  • And, without a lot of room for stock, we couldn’t always guarantee we’d have every one of our products, in every one of their variations, there at all time.
  • Finally, without a lot of room for additional stock, it’s not like we could carry anyone else’s products, like, say, a couple of key headphone brands.
The big reason was moving everything to Texas. We had logistics problems when the Schiitr was less than 10 miles away from Valencia. Increasing that distance by 100x would make things untenable.

So we decided: let’s close the Schiitr for now, and re-open in Texas, near our San Antonio production facility. And this time, let’s go bigger.

Aaaaand that’s where we are now.


The Logistics Morass

“Ah hell, why not go to New York?” someone asks. “Or at least Austin? Or Dallas? Or Los Angeles and San Francisco and Chicago and Atlanta?

Yeah yeah, I hear you. And I would like to have multiple locations in the coming years. But let’s discuss where we are and why we decided to go the way we’re going.

Here’s what we got:
  • We can create a profitable retail business selling only our stuff
  • We can do it in a relatively weird place (Newhall is in no way “Los Angeles”)
  • We were constrained by size and lack of planning (we never really decided to “go big” with the Schiitr, and implement a lot of our more interesting ideas)
Now, what do we do with this? It seems logical that a bigger space in a more accessible area could do better, especially if we start implementing some of our more interesting ideas, like:
  • Partnering with local businesses, like a coffee shop that wants to expand, to make it more than a place to buy gear
  • Offering a small selection of complementary products like headphones
  • Having more interesting events beyond product intros, such as live music
And, if we’re going to do this, we need to focus on it like we mean it, which means this Schiitr 2 location should be near one of our facilities.

Corpus Christi?

Oh, that’s remote, even in a state where a 2-3 hour drive is no big deal. Flights into Corpus Christi airport are also limited. I can’t really see having the new Schiitr in Corpus. This is not a diss on Corpus, I really love this funky town. But we have to be realistic.

San Antonio?

Now you’re talking! San Antonio is a sprawling city with a lot of interesting areas to consider. We could locate near the touristy areas of Riverwalk, in a gentrifying area of Southtown, in the fancy La Cantera mall, in a commercially zoned old house…or we could consider locating a bit farther out, because we could be in the Hill Country San Antonio-Austin corridor, which is somewhat akin to where we were in Newhall.

And that’s one of the problems: there are a lot of options. This time, while the operational chaos of San Antonio production is being transformed into order, we’re looking at all of them. There have been no decisions made yet.

“Ah hell, I want a new Schiitr faster!” some will say.

And yeah, I hear you. I’d prefer to have a new location faster as well. But I’d rather get this one right. Or at least more right. At least in part because we have a new perspective on things. In California, we owned none of our buildings. We were, in at least one important way, transient. In Texas, we own all of our facilities. Which means we’re here. It also means that we have a much more solid basis of operations for the future…no constantly increasing lease rates, no sudden decisions by the landlord that it’s time to move, etc.

Taking a bit of time to make this decision also means we can listen to you. As in, are we crazy? Off-base? What do you want to see in a new Schiitr?

So let’s talk about that.


What’s Your Ideal Schiitr?

Okay. Here we go. Knowing that we’re not going to be doing a multi-city, international SchiitrBlitz, what would you like to see in the next Schiitr?

Feel free to blue-sky.

I mean, you can be as concrete as “I live in Texas and I’d choose to locate in a historic house in Blanco because there’s a couple of distilleries there.”

You can talk about the gear you’d like to see, the set-up of the shop, the partners (audio or otherwise) you’d like us to bring on.

Feel free to propose the next city we should hit, once we’ve proven the new and improved Schiitr in a logistics-friendly location here in Texas.

Or you can be as blue-sky as “heck why have a location, kit out a mobile home as a mobile Schiitr and do it that way.”

Aside: oh please no I hope not, the speaker room would be, ah, well…I don’t know how we’d do it, plus paying people to be on the road doesn’t thrill me and will probably thrill the employees even less over time.

You get the picture. Go ahead and dream. Blue-sky it. Leave off sci-fi technology like Tardises and warp drives. Otherwise…what’s your ideal Schiitr 2?

2 things:

I think you should have interesting toilets (old and new) in the bathrooms because it would be funny.

I also think for the 2-channel and home theater areas; rather than the typical hi-fi store look you should do something more staged that shows how stereo equipment can integrate into a modern living area.
 
Oct 20, 2024 at 12:43 AM Post #168,643 of 174,031
How can you make that work with MC-level (e.g. 3pm signals)? I just have issues with splitting/switching such low levels…? Haven’t DONE it, but, the engineer in me…
As @Paladin79 said, IMO it can be done:

Skoll & Stjarna (both support MC cartridges, BTW) use relay-switched adjustable R & C loading.

Use short-length (max 1ft) fixed (soldered directly to the PCB) i/o rca plugs & cabling pigtails to eliminate additional rca plug & jack connection interfaces vs "direct" wiring of TT to pre using RCA M -to- RCA M cables.

No microprocessor or oscillators needed to perform 1-of-n relay selection-- fully analog implementation using a string of analog window comparators is possible.

Adjust C loading settings on the phono pre’s to compensate for a few extra pF from switchbox parasitic capacitance (less of an issue with MC carts that typically have low resistance 10-100 ohms R load)

(Added)
Both RCA center pin and shell contacts should be switched — no added ground loops. Likewise if designed for XLR switch all three lines
 
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Oct 20, 2024 at 2:48 AM Post #168,644 of 174,031
Would definitely be cool to have a stupid-expensive DAC to compare to the Yggy at the new Schiitr. Especially one the Schiit crew thinks sounds worse :smiling_imp:

Like, "fine, if you think it sounds better and want to spend that much go right ahead!"
Can't see that happening, unless someone brings in their own stupid-expensive DAC in to compare.
Jason and Schiit take great care not to schiit on other brands.
 
Oct 20, 2024 at 2:50 AM Post #168,645 of 174,031
I think featuring American made products (sorry - including speakers) would match Schiit's made in America philosophy. While I love The British Sound, it just doesn't seem fitting if it takes space from a made in USA brand.

IMHO, YMMV, etc.
Just thinking of what matches with what people commonly have and are familiar with wrt my speaker brand/type suggestions, but the USA theme is on point on a certain level.
 
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