[Mediahound]

   
Which is why we have ABX tests -- to make sure we're actually hearing something, and not just "hearing" a placebo.
 
When Chord presents a paper at an AES conference in which they conducted a statistically significant double blind test of this theory, then we'll have extraordinary evidence to back up the extraordinary claims.  Until then, all we have is a pseudo-hypothesis.
 
That being said, I leave all my electronics on all the time, cause it can't hurt and I'm lazy.

Do you hold Schiit to a different standard? Should Schiit do a "paper at an AES conference in which they conducted a statistically significant double blind test of this theory" for their statement here?:
 
 http://schiit.com/public/upload/PDF/yggdrasil_manual_1_1.pdf
 

We recommend leaving Yggdrasil on continuously for best performance.
Seriously. No kidding.
Yes, we know, this sounds like hoo-ha about “burn-in” and magick discs/stones/markers/etc. But in Yggy’s case, this is a real thing, and a serious recommendation.
Why? Because the mil-spec D/A converters in Yggy really do operate best once they’re up to temperature. As with a lot of other components inside the box. So, the logical solution (at a power cost of $50-100 per year, depending on where you live) is simply to turn it on, and leave it on. This is facilitated by inconveniently placing the power switch in the rear.
 
So what will you hear as Yggy warms up? Hell, we’re not going to speculate on what you hear...but we’re sure you’ll hear impressions from plenty of reviewers, and you can listen for yourself, and make your own decisions.
 
Sooooo...turn it on, leave it on, and see if you can’t hear a difference after it’s been on for a few days. 

 

[watchnerd]

 
Do you hold Schiit to a different standard? Should Schiit do a "paper at an AES conference in which they conducted a statistically significant double blind test of this theory" for their statement here?:
 
 http://schiit.com/public/upload/PDF/yggdrasil_manual_1_1.pdf
 

 
Schiit is not making claims of audibility.  They say right there, "we're not going to speculate on what you hear."
 
They're not making extraordinary claims.

 

[Mediahound]

   
Schiit is not making claims of audibility.  They say right there, "we're not going to speculate on what you hear."
 
They're not making extraordinary claims.

Huh? It's quite clear Schiit believes there is audible differences. They just don't list the differences. 

 

[watchnerd]

 
It's clear Schiit believes there is audible differences or they would not make the recommendation. They just don't list the differences. 

 
Inferring what Schiit does or doesn't believe, but doesn't say publicly, is speculative guess work.
 
The point is that they didn't publicly make an extraordinary claim.  In fact, they explicitly wrote a disclaimer in the Yggy manual saying they don't know what you'll hear.
 
Schiit posts a lot of specs, but they're very careful about claims of audibility.  Jason has even made statements about their policy on that.
 
And, lastly, if they did make an extraordinary claim, yes, I would hold them to the same standard as Chord.

 

[Mediahound]

   
Inferring what Schiit does or doesn't believe, but doesn't say publicly, is speculative guess work.
 

Huh? 
 

We recommend leaving Yggdrasil on continuously for best performance.
Seriously. No kidding.
Yes, we know, this sounds like hoo-ha about “burn-in” and magick discs/stones/markers/etc. But in Yggy’s case, this is a real thing, and a serious recommendation.

 
 
It's clear as a bell what they believe. 

 

[watchnerd]

 
Huh? 
 
 
 
It's clear as a bell what they believe. 

 
No, it's not.
 
One can say, "leave this device on because the components are biased to operate at a higher temperature and measure better when warmed up."
 
One can also say, "leave this device on because it sounds better when warmed up."
 
The statements are not the same.  And Schiit clearly demurred on the second statement *in writing*.
 
One can feel confident about the first one (after all, spec sheets have recommended operating temps for electronic components), but have significant ambiguity about the second one regarding audibility.
 
Regardless, if you want to believe something just because a DAC designer says it is true, that's your decision.
 
I'm more skeptical and require more proof.
 
To each their own.

 

[Ableza]

You want proof?  Buy one and try it.  Simple.

 

[Brubacca]

What is a good inexpensive CD Transport to use with a Gumby?. I hear that some like the Cambridge CDC and Apollo-r cause clicking between tracks or when paused because they drop the digital signal.

What are you using for CDs into Gumby?

 

[Rowethren]

What is a good inexpensive CD Transport to use with a Gumby?. I hear that some like the Cambridge CDC and Apollo-r cause clicking between tracks or when paused because they drop the digital signal.

What are you using for CDs into Gumby?

Not used them myself but the OPPO players seem to be well reviewed. I personally have all my music on my PC then use an Asus Xonar Essences STX as an optical transport.

 

[mikoss]

God this discussion is pointless. If you can't hear the effects of jitter at that measured level, great. That leaves the rest of us who can.

Enjoy your listening. It's well worth leaving your DAC on.

 

[franzdom]

What is a good inexpensive CD Transport to use with a Gumby?. I hear that some like the Cambridge CDC and Apollo-r cause clicking between tracks or when paused because they drop the digital signal.

What are you using for CDs into Gumby?

 
I have Cambridge CX-C and Yggy and it's not doing anything like that, works really great!

 

[amigastar]

Hello,
 
i have a question. i was asking myself if there is any possibility to hear the Gungnir MB before buying, like a loaning device for 1 or 2 weeks for like 30-35 euros or something.
i know this may sound stupid but i would like to hear the device first before deciding that i want to buy it in the future?

 

[Mr Rick]

  Hello,
 
i have a question. i was asking myself if there is any possibility to hear the Gungnir MB before buying, like a loaning device for 1 or 2 weeks for like 30-35 euros or something.
i know this may sound stupid but i would like to hear the device first before deciding that i want to buy it in the future?

This is the policy for US customers:
 
What about this 15-day satisfaction guarantee?
Just contact us via this form within 15 days of receipt of your order and we’ll give you a return authorization. When we receive your product in its original box, with any accessories intact, in like-new condition, we’ll refund the full purchase price of your product or products, minus a 5%-15% restocking fee (noted on each product page.) Of course, shipping is not included in the refund—you will pay full shipping to and from your location. Orders returned with damage or in non-stock packaging may be assessed an additional fee for reconditioning

 

[amigastar]

Hey Mr Rick,
 
thank you, but i live in Europe, but i will look up if Europe has something similar. Good to know, thanks.

 

[i019791]

  Hey Mr Rick,
 
thank you, but i live in Europe, but i will look up if Europe has something similar. Good to know, thanks.

For loaning the only option is to convince a dealer.
If you buy through internet order from within EU, you are entitled to refund (minus shipping expenses) without questions asked if you return it within 14 days.