Alexnova
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I thought the Titanium HD was only 96 not 192?
I thought the Titanium HD was only 96 not 192?
First, I do not believe that the Creative Titanium HD has S/N: >122dB at the outputs. That is not possible with a computer sound card. IM spec is really not important since in many cases it is far below audibility that the human can hear. jitter specs are meaningless unless it is measured at the output. Only a few manufactures that I know do this.
Why do you say it is not possible to have a S/N >122dB on a soundcard? Asus Xonar Essence STX specs show it has a S/N ratio of 124dB
Because that is very close to the specs that DAC chips can produce plus the noise that the DAC chip itself produces. It also mater what bit rate and sample rate you are using. Some manufactures will mute the outputs when the signal is quite low to give you the impression of better SNR on paper. A sound card inside of a computer is working in an environment that very harsh to achieve good SNR. Even with outboard DAC’s units is still a challenge to get good SNR. A actual SNR of 113dB maybe be possible in certain situations.Some manufactures love to play the Specsmanship game to fudge the numbers a bit. Specifications are just a tool, a step in determining how good a sound card is actually is for your needs.
First, I do not believe that the Creative Titanium HD has S/N: >122dB at the outputs. That is not possible with a computer sound card. IM spec is really not important since in many cases it is far below audibility that the human can hear. jitter specs are meaningless unless it is measured at the output. Only a few manufactures that I know do this.
Then you may as we'll say that THD is unimportant because it is below audibility.
SNR is unimportant....
Forget jitter while your at it...........it doesn't matter.
etc.
Wait a sec, The Game, according to my specs on the TitanHD it is 24-bit/96kHz HD headphone output? So then the red/white output would be 192kHz?
That is not what I said. SNR is important I just disagree the way manufactures measure it. THD is important especially for amps to determine maximum power in watts RMS based on what THD setting the measurement is based on.
Can anyone hear the difference between .00010 and .00012 THD? Jitter does matter I just disagree the way manufactures measure it. Total jitter from the DIR to the output is going to be higher than the DAC itself. The main point I am trying to say that some manufacturers try to show off their products in the best possible light and less on real life measurements. You have to know what the measurements is based on and sometimes you can not tell.
Thank you for answering my question and for your input. I love learning as much as I can about audio, so I really appreciate your input and knowledge on the subject. And I agree, I am sure when manufacturers post specs, they are posting the specs they can achieve in an optimal environment, which in real-life usage situations most people cannot achieve an optimal environment for their product.
Very informative, thank you john57.
When looking at a graph for the Titanium HD's S/N Ratio at 24/192 it shows this:
At that setting, the S/N Ratio is only 112.4dB @ 24/192
I'm still at odds though whether or not it is worth it to upgrade to the Uberfrost. If I had a choice between the Uberfrost and Titanium HD, I would pick the Uberfrost in a heartbeat as I love Schiit's products, I am just concerned that if I fork over the $419 or $519 if I get the USB option if there will be much of an audio quality difference.
Thank you again john57 for your input, I really appreciate it.