say if someone is trying to mug your ipod in NYC subway...

Mar 9, 2007 at 5:54 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 80
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hypothetically speaking, if someone tries to mug your ipod in the subways system, and you have a legal length folding knife and you stab the mugger, would you be in deep trouble?
 
Mar 9, 2007 at 6:19 AM Post #2 of 80
yes. you cannot intentionally deadly force to protect chattel. however, if the ipod at the time is literally connected to your body, such as plugged into your ears, and you believe that you are being assaulted when your ipod is being grabbed at, you are allowed to defend yourself (but not your ipod - you really gotta think of it as an attack on YOU.) but that still doesn't allow you to use deadly force unless you are in fear for your life. in other words, if the guy is slapping you with a wet noodle and threatens to continue to slap you with a wet noodle and that's it, you can't pull a gun and shoot the mofo.

ALL NOT REAL LEGAL OPINION TO RELY ON IN A COURT OF LAW OF COURSE.
 
Mar 9, 2007 at 6:25 AM Post #3 of 80
Unfortunately (
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) it depends. Mostly on the witnesses.

If the mugger will claim being innocent, and there are no witnesses on your side: cops will likely be agaist you since you're "capable of using cold weapons to hurt/kill someone". Tables might turn in your favor if there is some sort of evidence, like mugger's fingerprints, on your ipod; or a mugger has a weapon too.

It really depends on the situation, but in general its better to just get away fast, BUT if you know you can't get away, its better to hit first, preferebly, by bare hands. Also, unless you're really good with small knifes, you're hands are the best weapon in many ways.
 
Mar 9, 2007 at 6:50 AM Post #5 of 80
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Remember, dead guys don't file lawsuits.
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But their families usually do.
 
Mar 9, 2007 at 6:50 AM Post #6 of 80
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Remember, dead guys don't file lawsuits.
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But their families do. And unless you're willing to go thru a lengthy, expensive trial to try and prove that your use of deadly force was justified, it's probably not worth it.

Not sayin' it's right. Just sayin' that's how it is.
 
Mar 9, 2007 at 7:47 AM Post #8 of 80
how bout don't knife them? now, i'm not from a dangerous neighborhood so perhaps i shouldn't talk, but it just seems like a bad idea. if you get into a tussle and pull a knife, you don't know what they're gonna pull, especially if they're someone who is out jacking ipods, they're probably carrying something. in my mind i'd think that you'd be better with just your hands and mostly keeping the pod hidden in the first place (non-white buds are good, ksc75's look super cheap
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honestly, i think carrying a knife for "self defense" is generally a very stupid thing to do; i know folks that do so, because it's legal, and i guess it makes them feel safe, but a knife can mean death really quickly; one wrong cut. my suggestion: get some pepper spray instead; you can't kill them, you can't even permanently injure them; don't carry a knife unless you plan to kill, and i hope you're not planning that; whatever you do, don't bring pride into it; carrying pepper spray doesn't make you a girl, and carrying a knife sure as hell doesn't make you a man.

if you pull your knife i can almost guarantee you that suddenly you'll be holding it and have no ****ing idea what to do, and be scared ****less; if you're unlucky your assailant will pull a knife or worse; if you're VERY unlucky you'll actually stab them and then you can be in some serious ****

don't carry knives for self defense, unless you work at benihana
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Mar 9, 2007 at 8:12 AM Post #9 of 80
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Originally Posted by Cooter /img/forum/go_quote.gif
But their families do. And unless you're willing to go thru a lengthy, expensive trial to try and prove that your use of deadly force was justified, it's probably not worth it.

Not sayin' it's right. Just sayin' that's how it is.


Not to mention living with the fact that you stabbed and killed someone to protect your $300 iPod
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. That'll weigh a lot heavier on you than listening to a stolen iPod.
 
Mar 9, 2007 at 8:23 AM Post #10 of 80
yeah its hypothetical, i used to carry a knife to work, and never was in a situation where i needed it (well except once but it didnt go that far), and hopefully never will.
 
Mar 9, 2007 at 12:56 PM Post #11 of 80
Death is considered one of the risk of being a policeman or firefighters. The court should view a criminal/thief/robber/mugger who is being killed when they do their act as an occupational hazard instead of manslaughter
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Mar 9, 2007 at 1:08 PM Post #12 of 80
Yes.

Just hand over the loot, and then run away.

Your life and freedmon are far more valuable than a crappy iPOD.

I EDC a knife that could be very effective used in self defense. If ever I were to pull it to use it that way, it would have to come down to a situation where if I don't do it, I'm dead. It would only be the abslotue last resort for me, and I would have to be in a 'life or death' situation. I hope I never find myself in such a situation.

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hypothetically speaking, if someone tries to mug your ipod in the subways system, and you have a legal length folding knife and you stab the mugger, would you be in deep trouble?


 
Mar 9, 2007 at 1:42 PM Post #14 of 80
Just hand it over. It can be replaced; you can't.

Unless, of course, the mugger doesn't have a weapon and looks like you can take him.
 
Mar 9, 2007 at 3:02 PM Post #15 of 80
It's a frigg'n Ipod dude. You pull you're little nail file of a knife and the bad guy shoots your ass dead.

I carry a pocketknife. It's a tool not a weapon.

You can use deadly force if you think you are in threat of imminent death or to stop a violent felony- like a rape. Not to defend you iPod.


Very well said:
"I EDC a knife that could be very effective used in self defense. If ever I were to pull it to use it that way, it would have to come down to a situation where if I don't do it, I'm dead. It would only be the abslotue last resort for me, and I would have to be in a 'life or death' situation. I hope I never find myself in such a situation."


Mitch
 
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