sa5000 frequency response graph?

[MrGreen]

does one exist?
im interested in seeing how it looks on paper

 

[miloxo]

Check headphone.com, you can see graphs from like, every headphone!

 

[tvrboy]

Edit post removed for stupidity.

 

[MrGreen]

combined with the equal loudness curve does this mean that the SA5000 is very neutral or bass light?

by the way, how do you get to build a graph on the new headroom site. im having trouble finding it



has the way headroom measures response changed recently? a lot of things now seem to have huge bass rolloff compared to the graphs i was used to

 

[miloxo]

At the main page:

Go to headphone's, full Sized. Select a random product, and you'll see a graph. Click on it, and you'll find out.

 

[MrGreen]

man I still cant find a way to add multiple headphones to a graph like you used to be able to.
I blame it on my age

 

[hifidk]

Since they changed their website, I can't find it either... hmmm

 

[miloxo]

Ill explan in more detail

At the main page, you see 'headphones' at the left. Click on it.
After that, go to full size. Then you see Koss UR-20 at the top. Click on this, scroll a bit down you will find a graph. Click on this graph and you will get the graph builder.

This is probably not the 'usuall way'. At the main page you also see 'learning center' at the right, and at that page 'Headroom Testlab'.. But click on 'build a graph' will result in nothing..

 

[TheOtus]

I´ve noticed that too, it sucks...

 

[xnor]

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrGreen /img/forum/go_quote.gif combined with the equal loudness curve does this mean that the SA5000 is very neutral or bass light?

No, you don't need to apply anything anymore to HeadRoom's graphs.
It should be a flat line except for the lower frequencies (bass) which should be slightly boosted depending on your preference.

According to this graph I'd say that treble is very colored, bass looks pretty weak, the frequency range is pretty narrow - I haven't listened to them, guess I never will.

 

[donthuang]

Quote:

Originally Posted by xnor /img/forum/go_quote.gif No, you don't need to apply anything anymore to HeadRoom's graphs. It should be a flat line except for the lower frequencies (bass) which should be slightly boosted depending on your preference. According to this graph I'd say that treble is very colored, bass looks pretty weak, the frequency range is pretty narrow - I haven't listened to them, guess I never will.

Seems the "nano composite HD driver" didn't help the transient response a lot as people expect....or imaging.

 

[MaZa]

That sudden bass roll off below 100Hz looks odd. It has much better extension than that in my ears. Otherwise, the frequency response looks very Gradoish in style. No wonder I like it.

 

[MrGreen]

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaZa /img/forum/go_quote.gif That sudden bass roll off below 100Hz looks odd. It has much better extension than that in my ears. Otherwise, the frequency response looks very Gradoish in style. No wonder I like it.

I find the KSC75 is a lot bassier than the graphs give credit for as well. The graphs actually put it with significantly less bass than the DT880.
I suspect theres an issue with open phones currently, or they are in the process of remeasuring.

I dunno, I would consider the ATH-A700 fairly bassy and yet it has a rolloff now too.
I dont remember it ever having one.
If you apply the equal loudness curve to the SA5k it ends up fairly flat.

Which is why I wonder if theyve stopped immitating the cochlea etc in that human head and started measuring raw data?

Although, the graphs for skulllcandy (one where the bass is like 20 dB louder than everything) puts this into doubt.

 

[donthuang]

Maybe you just hear the " high order harmonics" or something similar

not the real bass, but would sound like.

Bass is a complex problems to headphone

A. Can Headphone produce real sub-bass?
B. If yes, Can we hear this "real bass" , complete or Incomplete?
C. How can we feel like "heard the bass"

 

[MrGreen]

Oh I dont know. Theres something odd about headroom graphs at the moment. I cant quite put my finger on it.
Example:

Doesnt look anything like the actual tonal balance of the headphones.

Here we see that there is a clear mismatch in volume (and if they are/were indeed imitating human hearing which would seem to be the case as otherwise even obviously bass heavy headphones like the DT770/HD650 would become mids monsters at moderate listening levels when the focus is clearly placed on the bass end of the spetcturm).

I'm not sure what it is, but theres something just a bit odd.
Can someone tell us exactly what headroom is doing and how it relates to human hearing?

The HD201 is listed as 'terrifically well balanced' and yet looks like

which is why I was making comments about equal loudness curves for particular headphones