Review : Denon D5000, Audio Technica AD2000 and Sennheiser HD595
Jul 3, 2008 at 9:50 AM Post #31 of 48
Wilashort,
The ad2000s have much less bass than the dt990s. maybe more impact though because the snap it a combination of the upper mids and the bass playing at the same time. The dt990s I had didnt have much upper mids to tag along with the bass
 
Jul 3, 2008 at 12:22 PM Post #32 of 48
The AD2000s mids seem a bit more prominent than the MD-5000s - because the overall bass of the MD-5000s is more robust and prominent, and the upper mids of the MD-5000s are less prominent than that of the AD2000s.

The bass of the AD2000s sounds faster, cleaner, clearer, and sharper than the MD-5000s - because the AD2000s sound faster, and their upper bass is more prominent than the lower bass.

Overall the AD2000s sound faster, lighter, cooler, and more "airy," than the MD-5000s, which sound a bit slower, heavier, warmer, and less "airy." The AD2000s sound more like Grados, the MD-5000s sound more like Senns.
 
Jul 3, 2008 at 6:45 PM Post #33 of 48
Yes, i known that you refer with less bass (to quantity and extension); well, as long as it doesn't has almost zero of that bass it's Ok for me, the most important is the upper bass, 'the quantity' of it or 'Volume' or better yet his strenght/slam. With maybe, you say that it (AD2000) has a more prominent upper bass than the DT990, but you are not sure...?. It be ideal, because i have a huge interest in this headphone (and spectations) because his characteristics (it can be the ideal headphone for me) for the music that i like most (complex and fast music) from Alexander Brandon (the music composer of a lot of games "the well known for me is tyrian (a space video game with futuristic and electronic music with other combinations)), Jean Michelle jarre, Bjorn Lynne, Ayumi Hamasaki (specially fast genres with super eurobeat), Chisato Moritaka, Koda Kumi, Boa, Folder5, Globe, Penicilin, and a large ETC.
And yes, the DT990 doesn't have much upper mids. That is what make that music or a lot of music, uninvolving (for me), it feel and sound slow for me.
For classical or Jazz (i am not a lover of this Genre) or other slow or moderate not so fast music it is excellent, but when it gets very fast and complex it simply doesn't stand. Maybe an APS V3 recable and/or a better amp, bring out the best of the DT990 making it faster and with better properties for that music.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by donunus /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Wilashort,
The ad2000s have much less bass than the dt990s. maybe more impact though because the snap it a combination of the upper mids and the bass playing at the same time. The dt990s I had didnt have much upper mids to tag along with the bass



Yes, i known and it is a very positive thing for me and the music that i like most. About that upper bass. It is more prominent than your D5000 (i known that it lost the war in the midbass and low bass departament but...) upper bass?
The Denon D5000 (well, the same with the D2000) is ideal for Classical (i like it but rarely i listen to it) because his organic sound and speed (enough for this music) and other slower music too (it must be excellent with some trance, electronic, techno; but the same that it can do, the AD2000 can (but without the quantity and strenght in the midbass and low bass)).

Ah, another thing that i want to known, is why the AD1000 is not as popular as the AD900 (well not in the list for compare) and AD2000?. What is the problem with it and what have/do the AD2000 that the AD1000 can't do(or can but in a lower or slightly lower degree)?
Thanks
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
The AD2000s mids seem a bit more prominent than the MD-5000s - because the overall bass of the MD-5000s is more robust and prominent, and the upper mids of the MD-5000s are less prominent than that of the AD2000s.

The bass of the AD2000s sounds faster, cleaner, clearer, and sharper than the MD-5000s - because the AD2000s sound faster, and their upper bass is more prominent than the lower bass.

Overall the AD2000s sound faster, lighter, cooler, and more "airy," than the MD-5000s, which sound a bit slower, heavier, warmer, and less "airy." The AD2000s sound more like Grados, the MD-5000s sound more like Senns.



 
Jul 3, 2008 at 7:00 PM Post #34 of 48
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Originally Posted by wilashort /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Yes, i known and it is a very positive thing for me and the music that i like most. About that upper bass. It is more prominent than your D5000 (i known that it lost the war in the midbass and low bass departament but...) upper bass?

Ah, another thing that i want to known, is why the AD1000 is not as popular as the AD900 and AD2000?



Don't know that its more prominent than MD5000s, but its more prominent in the bass frequencies of the AD2000s - makes them sound tighter, sharper.

I don't know why the AD1000s aren't as popular.
 
Jul 3, 2008 at 7:11 PM Post #35 of 48
Sorry, but i don't understand what do you mean in your first paragraph, sorry again.
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Don't know that its more prominent than MD5000s, but its more prominent in the bass frequencies of the AD2000s - makes them sound tighter, sharper.

I don't know why the AD1000s aren't as popular.



 
Jul 3, 2008 at 9:42 PM Post #36 of 48
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Originally Posted by wilashort /img/forum/go_quote.gif
With maybe, you say that it (AD2000) has a more prominent upper bass than the DT990, but you are not sure...?.


Measurementwise the dt990s have more upper bass but when listening, I don't know why, the ad2000s sound like they have more upper bass than anything else in the range. In fact, It is the upper bass that i feel is the biggest contributing coloration of the ad2ks.
 
Jul 4, 2008 at 2:30 AM Post #37 of 48
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Originally Posted by wilashort /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Sorry, but i don't understand what do you mean in your first paragraph, sorry again.


I mean that the upper bass frequencies of the AD2000s are more prominent (realtively louder) than their lower bass frequencies. This emphasis on their upper bass frequencies (and lower mids) makes their bass sound tighter, and punchier than on other phones (such as the MD5000s, or Senns).

But... that their bass is not as dominant in their overall sound, as the bass is dominant in the overall sound of the MD5000s.
 
Jul 4, 2008 at 3:58 AM Post #38 of 48
Ok, but is a very good coloration....My XMOD can help a lot in this area and to give to the highs more (to a lot of) sparkle. I can't wait to get the money to buy them!.
Even so, i like this headphone, it can be the perfect replacement for my ex 5.1 speakers (those that give me a lot of FUN/EMotion (Really big PRAT)), but superior (in magnitudes) to them in every aspect, except that doesn't have the quantity in the bass, but i can live without it and the soundstage doesn't bother to me much, because when i have my speakers, these are in a very small room. And my Xmod can help here too.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by donunus /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Measurementwise the dt990s have more upper bass but when listening, I don't know why, the ad2000s sound like they have more upper bass than anything else in the range. In fact, It is the upper bass that i feel is the biggest contributing coloration of the ad2ks.


Yes, now i understand you perfectly
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Thanks for that honest answer!
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I mean that the upper bass frequencies of the AD2000s are more prominent (realtively louder) than their lower bass frequencies. This emphasis on their upper bass frequencies (and lower mids) makes their bass sound tighter, and punchier than on other phones (such as the MD5000s, or Senns).

But... that their bass is not as dominant in their overall sound, as the bass is dominant in the overall sound of the MD5000s.



 
Jul 5, 2008 at 7:42 AM Post #39 of 48
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
The AD2000s mids seem a bit more prominent than the MD-5000s - because the overall bass of the MD-5000s is more robust and prominent, and the upper mids of the MD-5000s are less prominent than that of the AD2000s.

The bass of the AD2000s sounds faster, cleaner, clearer, and sharper than the MD-5000s - because the AD2000s sound faster, and their upper bass is more prominent than the lower bass.

Overall the AD2000s sound faster, lighter, cooler, and more "airy," than the MD-5000s, which sound a bit slower, heavier, warmer, and less "airy." The AD2000s sound more like Grados, the MD-5000s sound more like Senns.



Thanks for the comparison. That really helps a lot. I definitely love the accuracy of the timbre and tone specially when it comes to listening to New Age, Vocals and Instruments music.

Does anyone know any music store in the San Francisco Bay Area that have other of these cans in store for a test drive?

Also, what is the recommended amplifier to match MD-5000?

Kenneth
 
Jul 5, 2008 at 1:02 PM Post #40 of 48
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Originally Posted by magic12kenneth /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Thanks for the comparison. That really helps a lot. I definitely love the accuracy of the timbre and tone specially when it comes to listening to New Age, Vocals and Instruments music.

Does anyone know any music store in the San Francisco Bay Area that have other of these cans in store for a test drive?

Also, what is the recommended amplifier to match MD-5000?

Kenneth



The "value leader" is the MF X-CANv8. It's output impedance matches the requirements of the 25 ohm MD5000s very well. You will not find a better amp for the MD5000s at anywhere near its price of $550.
 
Jul 7, 2008 at 9:56 AM Post #41 of 48
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
The "value leader" is the MF X-CANv8. It's output impedance matches the requirements of the 25 ohm MD5000s very well. You will not find a better amp for the MD5000s at anywhere near its price of $550.


Thanks...I'll take a look at it. I was hoping for one under $350...

Kenneth
 
Jul 10, 2008 at 6:58 AM Post #42 of 48
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Originally Posted by Gradofan2 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
The "value leader" is the MF X-CANv8. It's output impedance matches the requirements of the 25 ohm MD5000s very well. You will not find a better amp for the MD5000s at anywhere near its price of $550.


Gradofan2, would the Predator amp be a good match for the D5000? After reading all the amp comparison reviews, I'm really thinking about getting the Predator for this headphone.

Kenneth
 
Jul 10, 2008 at 1:12 PM Post #43 of 48
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Originally Posted by magic12kenneth /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Gradofan2, would the Predator amp be a good match for the D5000? After reading all the amp comparison reviews, I'm really thinking about getting the Predator for this headphone.

Kenneth



Boy... I don't know. You should email RS and find out what the output impedance is. If its as low as 25 Ohms, then maybe. Of course, RS will tell you "it will drive all phones well." But... I'd make sure of its output impedance before I tried it.

And... I'd try the KICAS Caliente, before I'd try the Predator... unless... I had to have a portable amp - $425 to your door.

Purity Audio

Though... for $150 more you have a great v8.
 
Jul 15, 2008 at 8:22 AM Post #45 of 48
Gradofan2, thanks again for amplifier suggestions. I just wrote an email to him about the predator. I did read some review that the DAC isn't as good as the Pico. I will probably have to wait until the next bay area meet to check out some of the amplifier. I still have plenty of times to test them out since I'm planning to D5000 and an amplifier before this coming Christmas.

Kenneth
 

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