REVIEW: Cayin C5 - A new reference in portable amplifiers
Oct 17, 2014 at 10:05 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 33

Zelda

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Jul 12, 2012
Posts
2,022
Likes
1,499
REVIEW: Cayin C5
 

 
 
 
Specifications: (from the manual)
 
Power output: 800mV+800mV(RMS 32Ω)
Frequency Response: 20Hz~100kHz(±1dB)
THD: ≤0.02%(1kHz)
S/N ratio: ≥101dB(A weighted)
Sensitivity: ≤500mV(gain H)
Lithium Battery Capacity: 1000mAh/11.1V
Battery life: 12 hours(RMS 32Ω)
Charge limit voltage: 12.6V
Charging time: 4 hours(off state with DC5V/2A charger)
Charge Out: Output specification DC 5V/1A
Size: 136*63*15mm
Net weight: 185g
 
MSRP: $170
 
 
 

 
 
Accessories:
 
2x rubber bands
4x silicon pads
1x 3.5mm to 3.5mm short cable
1x Micro to Micro USB short cable
1x velvet carrying pouch
User Manual
 
 

 
 
Build & Design:
 
The C5 features a more than decent overall build quality; nothing outstanding or tank-like built as some higher models, but for the portable use it was meant to, it looks very solid. The amplifier is all aluminum from the outside, slim and relatively lightweight despite its looks, quite design is quite discreet, yet elegant and smooth. On the front panel, under the (removable) plastic cover, are the volume knob and the two input and output connections. The gain and bass switches are located at the sideways, and on the rear panel two MicroUSB connections; 'Power in' for charging and 'Charge Out' for the C5 to be used as a mobile power source to charge other mobile devices.
 

 

 
 
 
Gain, Hiss:
 
The C5 features two gains options, low and high. The low gain already has plenty of power and should be enough to drive most drivers up to 150ohm or even more. 64 ohm full cans only asked for a 4 level at the volume knob and already sounded loud enough. Unless driving really high impedance/low sensitivity headphones, the High mode isn't needed. Also, the jump from L to H mode is quite high.
Fortunately, the C5 showed no hint of hiss even with the more sensitive in-ear models (at least on low gain).
The Bass boost switch is located just under the Gain switch. (More details in the following section)
 

 

 
 
 
Sound:
 
Equipment:
 
Source: Sansa Clip+/Zip, Hifiman HM-700
Amplifiers: Panda AMP-S, Firestone Audio HDB, Audinst AMP-HP
The interesting feature of the C5 amplifier is that it's capable to drive the Hifiman TRRS Balanced IEMs, such as RE-600 and RE-400B.
 
Let me start by saying that the Cayin Company has managed to make a very powerful and excellent sounding portable amplifier. The C5 provides a very well balanced sound with great clarity and the optional bass boost will add a noticeable extra warmth and richness to the whole sound without clouding the details.
 
 
 
With Bass gain 'off', the C5 sounds pretty neutral to slightly bright. Bass is very clean, flat and well layered. It shows a relatively natural character with a good balance between attack and decay. There is practically zero of coloration in this mode, but simply will improve the quality and mainly the layering, extension and depth to a higher level.
 
The midrange is somehow the more source dependant on the C5. Best scenario, the mids are a tad more forwarded and very clear and mainly more effortless and better articulated. The C5 puts the HM700 neutral positioned mids a step or half more forward and open, and while also take some of the DAP warmth out, they will gain an extra higher-end character and timbre. Upper mids show extra energy that contributes to bring forth more details and eliminate some dullness that smoother sets may have.
Vocals are pushed more forward, really clear, more open and effortless and more energetic. While better separated and layered, they might still show some sibilance with certain brighter phones and be less forgiving.
 
With the Bass boost 'on', the low-end jumps from a rather flat and neutral presentation to a much warmer and thicker response. Different results depending on the head/earphone in use, but definitely elevated offering a more fun and very powerful yet deeper response. While the stronger bass is not bloated, do not expect the C5 to make a miracle with already boosted earphones; they do show more control and a better behavior, but you can't change their dominating character. On the other hand, I found the bass boost to show great results with softer sets such as the KC06 (and to a less degree, the KC06A) and the Steelseries BA In-Ear Pro.
The extra warmth is not limited to just the low frequencies, but rather mixes into the midrange in an exquisite and exciting way, providing a boosted warmth, and more importantly, a fullness through the whole mids. Many users would find this as more engaging, other might consider it even aggressive; in the end it's a simple matter of personal taste as any EQ is.
Even in this Bass 'on' option, the Cayin C5 still sounds smaller and not as full, extended or dynamic as the Firestone Audio HDB. The HDB has a more natural and full bodied bass response, sweeter texture through the midrange (even though it is less forward), and better decay overall. The C5, on the other hand, sounds brighter and crispy than the more laid-back and forgiving HDB. Both are still far from the ultra hyper detailed Panda AMP-S.
 
As for the highs, they remain pretty much unchanged regardless of the bass gain option. The C5 can be easily considered as a slightly bright amplifier, with a far extended and refined treble response. While the Cayin C5 can't match the more expensive Panda Audio AMP-S in 'purity', extension and refinement, for its current price (about half of the AMP-S), it's more than impressive and well worth the price. Against the similar priced Audinst AMP-HP, the C5 is flatter and definitely more resolving, although the AMP-HP has the opamp rolling tunable option.
As expected, soundstage is improved by a noticeable scale, but it's more the 3D-ism and dynamics that are worth praising, along with the overall coherence and imaging, what give the C5 a more "hi-fi" 'air'.
 
As a final note, it's worth mentioning that C5 shows much better results with a better source. In fact, so far it is the only amplifier that was really worth matching with the Hifiman HM700, instead of the budget oriented Sansa Clip DAP options. It's kinda surprising, as it's usually the other way around, being the Clip the ones that really benefit from extra amping, and the HM700 showing just a small improvement. It could be considered as an advantage for the C5.
 

 
Value:
In terms of sound quality alone it's already a fantastic product for the $150-200 range.  Add to this the build quality, portability friendly design and the USB charging option and we get an amazing buy, and probably a menace to higher priced amplifiers.
 
Oct 17, 2014 at 1:36 PM Post #4 of 33
it is weird to express power in mV (though given output impedance can be calculated).
Are those mW? 800mV RMS swing looks pretty low.
If it is 800mW, it looks incredibly similar to the E12. Anyone got the schematic of this thing?
 
Oct 17, 2014 at 1:36 PM Post #5 of 33
Another favorable review... I've placed an order!
biggrin.gif

 
Oct 17, 2014 at 2:52 PM Post #6 of 33
  REVIEW: Cayin C5
 

 
 
 
Specifications: (from the manual)
 
Power output: 800mV+800mV(RMS 32Ω)
Frequency Response: 20Hz~100kHz(±1dB)
THD: ≤0.02%(1kHz)
S/N ratio: ≥101dB(A weighted)
Sensitivity: ≤500mV(gain H)
Lithium Battery Capacity: 1000mAh/11.1V
Battery life: 12 hours(RMS 32Ω)
Charge limit voltage: 12.6V
Charging time: 4 hours(off state with DC5V/2A charger)
Charge Out: Output specification DC 5V/1A
Size: 136*63*15mm
Net weight: 185g
 
MSRP: $170
 
 
 

 
 
Accessories:
 
2x rubber bands
4x silicon pads
1x 3.5mm to 3.5mm short cable
1x Micro to Micro USB short cable
1x velvet carrying pouch
User Manual
 
 

 
 
Build & Design:
 
The C5 features a more than decent overall build quality; nothing outstanding or tank-like built as some higher models, but for the portable use it was meant to, it looks very solid. The amplifier is all aluminum from the outside, slim and relatively lightweight despite its looks, quite design is quite discreet, yet elegant and smooth. On the front panel, under the (removable) plastic cover, are the volume knob and the two input and output connections. The gain and bass switches are located at the sideways, and on the rear panel two MicroUSB connections; 'Power in' for charging and 'Charge Out' for the C5 to be used as a mobile power source to charge other mobile devices.
 

 

 
 
 
Gain, Hiss:
 
The C5 features two gains options, low and high. The low gain already has plenty of power and should be enough to drive most drivers up to 150ohm or even more. 64 ohm full cans only asked for a 4 level at the volume knob and already sounded loud enough. Unless driving really high impedance/low sensitivity headphones, the High mode isn't needed. Also, the jump from L to H mode is quite high.
Fortunately, the C5 showed no hint of hiss even with the more sensitive in-ear models (at least on low gain).
The Bass boost switch is located just under the Gain switch. (More details in the following section)
 

 

 
 
 
Sound:
 
Equipment:
 
Source: Sansa Clip+/Zip, Hifiman HM-700
Amplifiers: Panda AMP-S, Firestone Audio HDB, Audinst AMP-HP
The interesting feature of the C5 amplifier is that it's capable to drive the Hifiman TRRS Balanced IEMs, such as RE-600 and RE-400B.
 
Let me start by saying that the Cayin Company has managed to make a very powerful and excellent sounding portable amplifier. The C5 provides a very well balanced sound with great clarity and the optional bass boost will add a noticeable extra warmth and richness to the whole sound without clouding the details.
 
 
 
With Bass gain 'off', the C5 sounds pretty neutral to slightly bright. Bass is very clean, flat and well layered. It shows a relatively natural character with a good balance between attack and decay. There is practically zero of coloration in this mode, but simply will improve the quality and mainly the layering, extension and depth to a higher level.
 
The midrange is somehow the more source dependant on the C5. Best scenario, the mids are a tad more forwarded and very clear and mainly more effortless and better articulated. The C5 puts the HM700 neutral positioned mids a step or half more forward and open, and while also take some of the DAP warmth out, they will gain an extra higher-end character and timbre. Upper mids show extra energy that contributes to bring forth more details and eliminate some dullness that smoother sets may have.
Vocals are pushed more forward, really clear, more open and effortless and more energetic. While better separated and layered, they might still show some sibilance with certain brighter phones and be less forgiving.
 
With the Bass boost 'on', the low-end jumps from a rather flat and neutral presentation to a much warmer and thicker response. Different results depending on the head/earphone in use, but definitely elevated offering a more fun and very powerful yet deeper response. While the stronger bass is not bloated, do not expect the C5 to make a miracle with already boosted earphones; they do show more control and a better behavior, but you can't change their dominating character. On the other hand, I found the bass boost to show great results with softer sets such as the KC06 (and to a less degree, the KC06A) and the Steelseries BA In-Ear Pro.
The extra warmth is not limited to just the low frequencies, but rather mixes into the midrange in an exquisite and exciting way, providing a boosted warmth, and more importantly, a fullness through the whole mids. Many users would find this as more engaging, other might consider it even aggressive; in the end it's a simple matter of personal taste as any EQ is.
Even in this Bass 'on' option, the Cayin C5 still sounds smaller and not as full, extended or dynamic as the Firestone Audio HDB. The HDB has a more natural and full bodied bass response, sweeter texture through the midrange (even though it is less forward), and better decay overall. The C5, on the other hand, sounds brighter and crispy than the more laid-back and forgiving HDB. Both are still far from the ultra hyper detailed Panda AMP-S.
 
As for the highs, they remain pretty much unchanged regardless of the bass gain option. The C5 can be easily considered as a slightly bright amplifier, with a far extended and refined treble response. While the Cayin C5 can't match the more expensive Panda Audio AMP-S in 'purity', extension and refinement, for its current price (about half of the AMP-S), it's more than impressive and well worth the price. Against the similar priced Audinst AMP-HP, the C5 is flatter and definitely more resolving, although the AMP-HP has the opamp rolling tunable option.
As expected, soundstage is improved by a noticeable scale, but it's more the 3D-ism and dynamics that are worth praising, along with the overall coherence and imaging, what give the C5 a more "hi-fi" 'air'.
 
As a final note, it's worth mentioning that C5 shows much better results with a better source. In fact, so far it is the only amplifier that was really worth matching with the Hifiman HM700, instead of the budget oriented Sansa Clip DAP options. It's kinda surprising, as it's usually the other way around, being the Clip the ones that really benefit from extra amping, and the HM700 showing just a small improvement. It could be considered as an advantage for the C5.
 

 
Value:
In terms of sound quality alone it's already a fantastic product for the $150-200 range.  Add to this the build quality, portability friendly design and the USB charging option and we get an amazing buy, and probably a menace to higher priced amplifiers.

i was wondering how it compares to fiio e12 or even more expensive amps like the alo rx mk3, i am in search for a great portable amp to match my denon da 10 dac that will arrive in few days, as I need to use my rig with my audeze lcd2 rev2
 
Oct 17, 2014 at 3:15 PM Post #7 of 33
  i was wondering how it compares to fiio e12 or even more expensive amps like the alo rx mk3, i am in search for a great portable amp to match my denon da 10 dac that will arrive in few days, as I need to use my rig with my audeze lcd2 rev2

http://www.head-fi.org/products/cayin-c5-portable-hifi-audio-headphone-amplifier/reviews/11726 <--- read this, part of the review is a C5 / E12 comparison.
 
Oct 17, 2014 at 9:10 PM Post #8 of 33
  If it is 800mW, it looks incredibly similar to the E12. Anyone got the schematic of this thing?

 
Yeah, from what I can grasp online, it must be an almost exact replica, using OPA134 instead of OPA1611 for the VAS stage.
Same current buffer LME49600.
Even the components (capacitor, potenziometer, relay) shown here are the same of the FIIO E12:
 
http://www.noisymotel.com/product.asp?ProductID=761
 
http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000038732625&MenuID=105026001
 
 

 
Oct 18, 2014 at 12:11 PM Post #10 of 33
   
Yeah, from what I can grasp online, it must be an almost exact replica, using OPA134 instead of OPA1611 for the VAS stage.
Same current buffer LME49600.
Even the components (capacitor, potenziometer, relay) shown here are the same of the FIIO E12:
 
http://www.noisymotel.com/product.asp?ProductID=761
 
http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000038732625&MenuID=105026001
 
 

A strange argument, maybe I should not say anything, but I think maybe you should go take a look at this link, maybe you can get more answers. 
CAYIN SINCE 1993!  www.cayin.cn
 
Oct 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM Post #11 of 33
  A strange argument, maybe I should not say anything, but I think maybe you should go take a look at this link, maybe you can get more answers. 
CAYIN SINCE 1993!  www.cayin.cn

 
Granted, many of these compact amps, O2 included, use the same OP-amp based VAS front end, followed by another OP-amp based current buffer, it seems to me that the C5 is very very similar, even from a component POV.
And, if I am not mistaken, the E12 came before the C5.
 
Oct 18, 2014 at 1:01 PM Post #12 of 33
   
Granted, many of these compact amps, O2 included, use the same OP-amp based VAS front end, followed by another OP-amp based current buffer, it seems to me that the C5 is very very similar, even from a component POV.
And, if I am not mistaken, the E12 came before the C5.

Freedom of speech, which is one of the benefits you can bring us on the Internet. HAHAHA, so you can freely publish some perspective. The following point of view, but on behalf of myself, therefore, did not recognize identity is not important, I'm just telling a fact. 
 
Audio products, many of the circuit structure is similar or even exactly the same, this is not surprising. But very strange problem is that even if the principle is exactly the same circuits and components used his voice is not the same orientation. It depends on the experience, understanding, and depending on the sound judgment. 
 
FIIO and CAYIN as from China, the difference lies in the different areas, which is a brand worthy of respect and learning, in order to headphones for listening devices in the field, FIIO made ​​extraordinary achievements, so many people now use our C5 in contrast with FIIO of E12. 
 
And CAYIN has been designed and manufactured in order to use the speakers for listening devices and use amplifiers or CD players and other products, are probably the design and manufacture of audio products, but in the understanding of sound, obviously has a very significant difference from the history of the , C5 is such a product, and we adhere to their own understanding of sound through C5 to show up, it turns out, the sound is a lot of music lovers need, and this is why C5 was quickly recognized by reason, of course, she did can not be called perfect, subject to cost, experience problems, but CAYIN will always efforts, we hope to be able to voice our understanding of these devices to show to everyone, while harvesting recognition, which is why we want to publish in the late N6, C8 and other products to last show.
 
GOOD NIGHT
 
Oct 19, 2014 at 1:48 PM Post #15 of 33
   
Yeah, I did not know where to go with the freedom of speech thing 
biggrin.gif

Considering from which side of the pond is coming, and given that this is an audio forum, I decided to archive this within the lost-in-translation+found folder and move on.

 
Google translation is great at giving you words, but the context can wreck the intended statement.
 
The only thing I took away from the Cayin rebuttal was that even if they're using similar components, that their arrangement may be different.
However, I agree with earlier posts.  The presentation exterior and topography of the Cayin look similar to that of the FiiO to my uneducated eye. 
 
 
 
Language is funny.  Here's my Google translation from English to Korean then Korean back to English:
 
I have not heard that this arrangement may be different, even if they use similar components, CAYIN dispute was not only far.
However, similar to that of the eye FiiO I agree with the previous post did not receive my education .CAYIN presentation appearance and terrain.

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top