Raal Ribbon Headphones - SRH1A
Nov 4, 2019 at 12:38 PM Post #1,591 of 7,842
I know it's direct drive, I was asking, rhetorically, what will "R" do for me and my musical tastes sound wise.

The pre-amp side should do nothing audible, as its simply passive-pot attenuation between input and pre-out. No buffer or gain stage that I'm aware of.

Comparisons on the headphone-drive side of things to other headphone amplifiers don't really make any sense. Which leaves how it sounds vs. other speaker amplifiers via the interface, which I've talked about already.
 
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Nov 4, 2019 at 1:41 PM Post #1,592 of 7,842
I read a review where the reviewer commented that it seemed like the music sped up with the SR1a. The sensation I got was that a good bit more detail information was coming at my ears in the same time span and forcing my brain to speed up to unravel it all in the time allotted... I think what may be happening is I hear a subtle detail revealed with more clarity for the first time, and my thought process pauses for just a second to make a mental note but the music has already moved on.

A complete aside, but part of my argument against double-blind A-B testing: One has to really concentrate, and have essentially trained oneself to listen for small differences, in order to even halfway compare two pieces of equipment (or two recordings of the same song). Just the tip of the Iceburg: one can listen for and compare the differences in relation to general frequency spectrums, then types of instruments such as strings and horns and keyboards and drums, then all the variations within that form of instrument (electric guitar, acoustic guitar, fiddle, mandolin, banjo, bass, upright bass... dobro, national steel (bodied) guitar, harp, cello...).
I could go on and on, but anyone who's tried to do any kind of rudimentary comparison understands the progression, and after a period of time (10 minutes, or 30 minutes) with the same track my mind gets tired or numb or wanders (should I be calling a guy about some personal business rather than typing this!?, yes, so, make a decision, OK: back to concentrating on music?). Double-blind testing with me as the listener could take a week or two at the least, just to maybe get a scientific result. It isn't because I can't hear a difference, it's because my feeble brain can't solve an "equation" with 50 variables and 50 unknowns just because I sit down and concentrate hard for 15 minutes as someone else switches in and out pieces of equipment.
 
Nov 4, 2019 at 2:00 PM Post #1,593 of 7,842
I've completed my first week with the SR1a. I need more play time on the ribbons, and even more so, a better amp match.
I've put my write-up in spoilers to save space.

RAAL Requisite SR1a – The First Week

NUTS & BOLTS

No manual but fairly simple to figure things out.

No serial number but on tape on the bottom of the carrying case has 4 handwritten digits – and 3 handwritten digits. First set looks like month and year and the second set of numbers could be production for that month. Of course the distributor here or the dealer could have put them on for some other purpose of their own.

The feel when handling these phones is a little floppy. The ribbon wings are quite heavy and completely rigid compared to the leather and very flexible slim stainless steel headband. I do like and will use these phones with the rear headband added as it helps keep the ribbon wings in position more positively than without them when I move my head, lean forward, get up to change the CD, etc. I’m going to buy a replacement headband and modify it to replace the rear headband. I think a wider leather area will make for a more secure seating of the phone on my head. I’m guessing somebody makes a hole punch of the right diameter (?) for adding additional holes for a custom fit with leather.

It took me only a few minutes to get the holes in the leather straps to the right positions for my head. The leather is of different type/finish than I’ve experienced with other phones, very soft, very flexible, very suede-y, very light weight. I was able to wear the SR1a for several hours without having to reach up and pull the ear cups off my ears a bit to allow heat and moist air to exchange with some cooler, dryer air. That in itself is a huge plus from my perspective.

Hinge points to rotate the wings are firm initially but relax with use. I get the most vivid presentation with the wings as close to my ears without touching any area of the lobes as possible. Moving the wings out will change the sound intensity and image spread. The overall sound fades a bit as I extend the wings out. The right spot to position the forward cushions turned out to be just in front of and up against my tragus on each ear. The clamping pressure is very light after adjusting the leather and stainless steel bands. I didn’t even notice the upper cushions on the side of my head. I set the headband so that it put the ribbon at the center at the center of each ear with equal amounts of overlap above the top of my ears and below my earlobes.

Still playing with ribbon wing angle, I suspect I will be doing that for a while trying to get the best compromise to the sound. These are different enough from standard phones and speakers that I’ve not really figured out the imaging and sound staging capabilities yet. Images are stable, big and seem close (recording dependent). Sound stage is very different, with less high frequency info that usually floats and sounds like it’s coming from directly over my head. The sound in general is a little more in front than inside my head, especially with binaural recordings. Of course the problem with most classical recordings is there are so many mics placed over the orchestra that a correct playback would be as if one were listening while levitating over the orchestra.

The cable connecting the phones to the interface box is almost weightless and more flexible than any I’ve ever experienced. 7 feet (approximately) in length is fine as I sit alongside both my HP rigs. For use with my home theater I would need an extension or longer single cable. RAAL has a number of both types in different lengths listed under the Accessories tab on the website. The tiny pins on the headphone end seat fully and firmly up into the female connector on the base of each wing. The female 4 pin end clips snugly into the male end on the interface, no worries about it getting lose or accidentally pulled out. That’s why I like XLR connections, whether or not the signal is balanced or single ended.

The short amplifier jumper cables that connect the interface to the amp are a good length and relatively stiff which is okay – keeps them from drooping on AC and other cables in my install, but I may at some point get some longer ones (maybe with locking bananas, but the ones used fit very snugly into the interface), just for placement flexibility. When released, the beauty of the Jotunheim “R” is it will eliminate the amplifier, the jumper cables and interface box, being all-in-one.

SOUND

The sound is not typical headphone or speaker-like to my way of hearing it, somewhere in between the two in its own category maybe, but a lot more headphone than speaker. I will be doing my initial evaluations over the next two weeks (or so) with my Ragnarok 1. Based on what I’ve read so far it is under powered to get the best from the SR1a so what follows is in light of this factor.

I had to use the 3rd gain setting and balanced input from Yggdrasil 2 when I use the lowest for my HD800 and 800S and Utopia, and the middle gain setting with the Abyss Phi with CC pads added after the purchase (it is not the TC model and is not the upgrade-able release) indicates to me that more power is needed for the SR1a. I connect the Ragnarok 1 to my Yggdrasil 2 with balanced cables. Although if I understand what I’ve read, and have been told so far, it’s not about the number of watts an amplifier can output but more about the ability to deliver 5 or more amps into the load. So with the right Schiit amplifier some of my comments below could very well change somewhat, and I’m hoping that right amp will be the Jotunheim “R”.

I’ve never heard the K1000 or MySphere but have always been partial to the sound of ribbons done right. And the Abyss sounds its best to me with its dedicated “Formula S” amp. (I’m not a dealer so I don’t have an unlimited supply of different amps to work with. Only what I buy to own.)

Right out of the box the high end energy was apparent and the increase in air and detail manifested itself readily. The amazing thing is I have never heard this amount of high frequency detail with absolutely no harshness, sibilance, or a shout-y quality, regardless of loudness level. Cymbals shimmered with air. Bells had a proper metallic quality to being struck. The brass had appropriate sounding metallic edge to them. High strings at all high dynamic levels were the best I’ve ever heard outside the concert hall. It’s all clean and clear without irritation of any sort.

I did not find the midrange recessed or forward (recording dependent), great tone and detail and body to the sound. I read a review where the reviewer commented that it seemed like the music sped up with the SR1a. The sensation I got was that a good bit more detail information was coming at my ears in the same time span and forcing my brain to speed up to unravel it all in the time allotted. But it was a quick adjustment for me. I think what may be happening is I hear a subtle detail revealed with more clarity for the first time, and my thought process pauses for just a second to make a mental note but the music has already moved on.

Bass is where I think opinions are going to vary greatly. Now that the air isn’t mostly trapped inside the ear cup the bass does not sound as full, impactful, airy and satisfying to me most of the time. I don’t think Wayne and Garth would approve. It’s very different approach from what I’m used to with my 4 other phones including the original HD800, but as a primarily classical music listener I’m drawn in by the extra detail I get at the bottom end without any blurring and look forward to improving that area with playing hours and a better amp. I compared 5 different recordings back to back of Stravinsky’s “The Rite of Spring” by 5 different orchestras in 5 different halls and was impressed at how easy it was to hear the differences in how the recordings bass was captured on each and the ambient air of the recording site. Tympani and bass drum and double basses (as well as other instruments like bassoon, etc.) on each were very different in quality and quantity, impact and air. Recording quality seems to be big determinant of what I’m hearing (or not hearing), but in general the bass was not as rich or impactful as I like. This may also be a result of needing more playing hours and a better amp match as well.

In general, I find all digital recordings (made from digital masters) fair better with this headphone than with older analog masters transferred to digital and I was not expecting this. Often times the results are the opposite with my other phones, especially in the midrange and highs. Many of my favorite old RCA and Mercury recordings don’t compare as well sonically as I expected with more contemporary recordings. Telarc’s, DG’s, Naxos, Decca, Reference Recordings, etc.; all sound better in the lower frequencies which I expected but the mids and highs are significantly better than I expected. But then my Sheffield recordings were made with a single-point stereo microphone and the CD’s issued still sound very good and came from two track, analog, safety tapes made simultaneously with the direct to disc cuts. The RS1a is pretty ruthless in revealing recording quality.

I’m finding the midrange and highs are more transparent and vibrant on the newer recordings with the SR1a, and the SR1a manages to handle highs with almost no glare or digititis (or whatever one wants to call it). It’s almost like digital recordings were waiting for this headphone to come along to show what they can do. Specific exception in the bass; Prokofiev 5th on Telarc label with Paavo Jarvi and Cincinnati S.O., the impact of the bass drum and the whole lower octave in general is very good, but with my other phones it sounds better at this point. Stravinsky’s “Rite” on the Exton label with Jaap van Zweden and Netherlands Radio P.O., one of several solidly recorded deep bass examples is good on the bottom but still I want a little more. These phones never get frazzled or congested during loud passages when the whole orchestra is going full tilt. My other TOTL phones all have a breaking point at the higher dynamic levels which are usually of very short duration time wise.

One curious aspect I noted was bass at low levels and in quieter passages gets closer to right for me, but as the dynamic level of the full orchestra goes up it’s almost as if the bottom octave is being held back or left behind as the midrange and highs just continue expand with the cleanest most dynamic sound I’ve ever heard from a headphone. Example; Mahler 5, Solti and Chicago S.O., I had the original analog LP (1970), still have the first digital transfer CD (AAD-1984) and the remastered CD (ADD-1991). The soft bass drum strikes are very well captured in the 1st movement, the loud ones in the 2nd movement are very good too. But in the 3rd and 5th movements they are just not impactful enough. And at two points during the symphony the bass drum is hit very hard overloading the tape recording equipment and the sound distorts terribly – it was that way on the original vinyl release and I always blamed it on my various phone cartridges inadequacies, but then it carried through on both digital re-mastering’s so it must be a problem with the original master tapes. With these phones the deep bass notes are there, you can hear them cleanly all the way down to the bottom, but they just don’t carry the weight of my other phones or sound close to the live impact in the concert hall. But then there are exceptions like that Prokofiev 5th mentioned above, which is much better, it just misses a bit of impact and air. Somewhere below 100Hz these phones just start to sound lighter in weight than I like.

These phones are very right with my pre- Beethoven music and chamber sized ensembles, the bass is mostly acceptable to my ears. Violins in particular (and violas, cellos, and basses) are better reproduced with the SR1a than any other phone I’ve heard to date and at any dynamic range point.

Someone in an earlier post queried as to how the Chesky binaural recordings would sound on the SR1a. I listened to my favorite evaluation tracks from Chesky’s Ultimate Headphone Demonstration Disc and it sounded very good.

On track 1 (When the Saints go Marching In) the ear grabbers I noted were the body to the sound of the banjo along with the speed and air of its plucked string’s, the tuba, and the drum set, especially the high-hat cymbals just shimmered and went on forever in there airiness and the ambience of the recording site.

On track 2 (Don’t You) Amber Rubarth’s voice still cut through the air like a samurai’s blade but without any harshness or sibilance, and the cello had great body and even greater detailing of the bow on string sound than with my other phones.

On track 5 (Las Perlas de Tu Boca) the opening double bass drops down to subterranean levels but without the bloat I get with some of my other phones providing much greater clarity and inner detail. I kept noticing little extra details in the reproduction of the singer’s voice that made it sound more realistic than with my other phones.

On track 6 (Ben’s Farm in Vermont) the various percussion instruments come through more cleanly than with my other phones, and the attack, decay, color and tone were spot on. The only possible weak spot was the final (and sole) bass drum thwack; I’d have liked more of an impactful thump and more air like I get with my other phones. It’s easy for me to recall how this sounds on my other phones.

On track 11 (Wa Wa Wa) the grouped voices were more clearly differentiated than I’ve experience with my other phones and the horns were sharp and gritty but again without any sibilance or irritation. This lack of irritation in the highs is notable with every recording I’ve listened to so far. I have yet to hear anything cringe worthy in the highs with this phone.

On track 12 (War) I have never heard the drum set as clean, powerful, and realistic as with the RS1a. The cymbals are airy and extended. The bass drum is weak compared to my other phones, like in track 6.

On track 13 (Rock and Roll) the soloists voice is just more real sounding and clearly intelligible with the SR1a than with my other phones. Not by a big margin but it is noticeable to my ears. And the electric guitars sound fine to me but others may have a different take when it comes to electric amplified instruments and what they are capable of and sound like.

The lack of strain exhibited by the SR1a reproducing music is truly amazing regardless of volume level. Again, I think the point of contention will come over this phones reproduction of bass. If someone wants to hear bigger, warmer bass that’s perfectly valid, we like what we like and there is no right or wrong. My point of comparison is always the live experience in the concert hall so right off the bat I’m at a disadvantage of mindset when listening to reproduced music.

For day 6 I’m going to relax and listen to mostly Rock oriented music. I’m not as critical a listener with genres other than classical and just go with the flow.

I’ve only got about 30 hour’s play time in over the past 6 days so things could change but for me I’m satisfied with my SR1a purchase. Will the bass improve with break-in hours of play? I don’t know. Is a ribbon like cones or other planar's that benefit from break-in? Maybe it will. It’s not going anywhere so it will eventually accumulate hours of play

I do think different amplification based on others comments will make some difference. First up will most likely be the Jotunheim “R” when available. Tube amplification may also make for changes in the sound (but it will probably be under-powered if the right amount of watts is between 150 and 400 as some have indicated) and I’ve got one nice tube/transformer’d output amp available. But the maximum output in ultra-linear mode with the KT88’s I run (4 per channel) is around 72 watts/channel because of how conservative the auto bias runs them (for longevity). I could try the more expensive KT150’s but even at that the rated output with my amp only increases to 88 watts per channel and that’s still not in the running. And, I have to disconnect the bi-wired cables to my Sonus fabers and the Speak-On cables to my REL sub-woofers, and then I’ve got no 2 channel listening until I reverse the process. One day I’ll get around to it. I’ve got a lot of albums to listen to with my Ragnarok 1 before I get to that point and I’m hoping the “R” will be available sooner rather than later.

It also crossed my mind that a full range ribbon this small may not be capable of making the excursion necessary to reproduce bass at the same levels of say my Abyss and with similar sonic traits as my cone or planar headphones, but what is there is very clean and detailed.

DAY 6

I spent several shifts listening to selections of mostly Rock oriented music today. Results unsurprisingly mirror my experience so far with the Classical and Jazz genres. First up were Alan Parsons “I Robot” from 1977 (MF release) and his most recent release this year “The Secret”. All the same favorable qualities as with many of my classical selections but I would like more bass weight. Some albums fared better than average, Chris Isaak’s “Heart Shaped World” sounded better than most from top to bottom thru the SR1a, and surprisingly it’s AAD from 1989. CSNY’s first 2 albums brought back some memories from 69’ and 70’, the year I finished my Army service. David Crosby’s “If I could Only Remember My Name” from 1971 is another favorite, especially “Cowboy Movie”, still could use a little more on the bottom end. Fleetwood Mac’s first two albums from 75’ and 77’ were passable in the bass. Zeppelin’s “Kashmir” and “Dancing Days” were pretty anemic in the bass in the release I have which was from a 4 CD “best of” set. Steely Dan’s “Bodhisattva” (great guitar work) and “Don’t Take Me Alive” both needed more weight yet “Babylon Sisters” was not bad. Aja album overall was better sounding. Traffics “Low Spark…” and “Rock and Roll Stew” were just okay and can sound better with my other phones at the bottom.

I’ll be checking out some more albums over the next week by Bad Company, The Clash, Dan Hicks, Drive by Truckers, Sting, U2 and some movie soundtracks in addition to my Classical and Jazz stuff but I expect no revelations.

A NOTE ON SINGLE ENDED VS. BALANCED

I tried running SE from my Yggdrasil 2 to Ragnarok 1 with SR1a and interface. Results were not very good. I was running an SE line out of the Yggdrasil 2 and had the Ragnarok 1 set to the highest gain setting and still I was having the volume control well beyond 3:00 in SE mode. 12:00 to 2:00 was about right when driving the amp with a balanced signal in most cases regardless of the level the recording was made at.

I’ve always experienced having to use a higher setting of the volume control with SE versus balanced with my other phones but never noted such a big difference in sound otherwise. With my other phones maybe balanced has a small advantage over SE with respect to imaging and sound stage, but that’s about all I hear. I run my two Senn HD’s and Utopia at the low gain setting on the Ragnarok 1, and the Abyss seems to benefit from the middle gain setting (although as I said earlier, it sounds its best to me with its own purpose built “Formula S”). But with SE and the RS1a the results, even at the highest gain setting, was that the sound was kinda washed out, pale, even at well past 3:00 on the volume control. And slipping my Loki in the chain made no improvement and maybe made it worse. I can only conclude that the RS1a does indeed require a lot more juice of some sort than I’ve ever experienced before with any other headphone. On balanced and highest gain the sound was significantly more transparent with believable presence and clarity on the SR1a. I don’t understand why the results are so drastically different but that’s the way I heard it.

So, until Jotunheim “R” is available I can only run balanced and get satisfactory sound, I’ll try SE again when “R” arrives and give my Loki another shot. Of course other amps may give better results right now but the “R” is just too intriguing not to wait for and I’m hoping it will be the answer with respect to the SR1a for me.

When I get an “R” in my sweaty hands I can use my Switchwitch XLR switch box to make quick comparison between the Ragnarok 1 plus interphase and the “R”, I’m looking forward to that.



SUMMARY

The SR1a is an exceptionally good sounding headphone especially from the bottom of the upper bass thru to the highs in comparison to my other phones. It’s very revealing of everything in front of it starting with the quality of the source recording. It’s non-fatiguing for long listening sessions and I find it very comfortable to wear, especially when it comes to the open baffle design and how easy that is on my un-enclosed ears. Because they are so open and not confining like traditional ear cups, ambient noise can be a problem so a quiet environment will be a plus. When “R” arrives and after A/B’ing against the Ragnarok/interface I will move the SR1a to my upstairs rig which is in the quietest room in my home.

The sound never gets congested, garbled, or strident at any volume setting or dynamic level. The sound never gets out of control. It’s exactly because the midrange and highs are so transparent, so fast on attack and controlled on decay, and lacking in any type of coloration, that the lower bass can be frustrating to me at times. The low bass is also transparent, as fast on attack and controlled on decay, and lacking in any type of coloration like the midrange and highs, but it’s just lacking that oomph and weight that satisfies me with full orchestra and even Rock with but a few exceptions depending on the recording. And the fact is I can’t limit my listening to just a handful of exquisitely recorded CD’s.

A better amp match should mitigate some of my desire for more bass so I’ll reserve my final judgement until I get more experience, break-in (now at about 30hrs.), and the “R” arrives. In the meantime I’ll be playing a couple of different “break-in / burn-in” CD’s and high quality, wide dynamic range recordings I have during each day this upcoming week when I’m not listening to get more playing hours in quicker. By the end of the second week I should be around 140 hours.

Maybe RAAL will come up with a version voiced for “audiophiles” to complement this one for the recording studio engineers whose needs could be different from home audio enthusiasts (and I knew that going in).

I highly recommend an audition of the SR1a if you get the opportunity. It is un-like any of my other phones and with the exception of deep bass (at this point in time and I’m pretty certain I’m not a bass-o-haulic), I prefer it over my others and not just for sound but comfort as well. I’ve got a lot of hours to listen and compare ahead of me and more impressions with various amp pairings should be forthcoming from the community. If I get to a breakthrough I’ll report back.

FLTWS
Nice detailed review.

What is your opinion between Sr1a and Abyss Phi with CC pads ?

If you live close to me, then it would be very nice to visit you.

I am living in Northwest of Washington State.

Thomas
 
Nov 4, 2019 at 2:45 PM Post #1,594 of 7,842
Has anyone tried some Balkan music since these were made by a Serbian company? I am sure that they tested atleast few songs from this region while tuning the headphones.

These would seem like the best summit-fi headphones for such a thing as they are the only headphone company from this area of the world.
 
Nov 4, 2019 at 4:20 PM Post #1,595 of 7,842
I've completed my first week with the SR1a. I need more play time on the ribbons, and even more so, a better amp match.
I've put my write-up in spoilers to save space.

RAAL Requisite SR1a – The First Week

NUTS & BOLTS

No manual but fairly simple to figure things out.

No serial number but on tape on the bottom of the carrying case has 4 handwritten digits – and 3 handwritten digits. First set looks like month and year and the second set of numbers could be production for that month. Of course the distributor here or the dealer could have put them on for some other purpose of their own.

The feel when handling these phones is a little floppy. The ribbon wings are quite heavy and completely rigid compared to the leather and very flexible slim stainless steel headband. I do like and will use these phones with the rear headband added as it helps keep the ribbon wings in position more positively than without them when I move my head, lean forward, get up to change the CD, etc. I’m going to buy a replacement headband and modify it to replace the rear headband. I think a wider leather area will make for a more secure seating of the phone on my head. I’m guessing somebody makes a hole punch of the right diameter (?) for adding additional holes for a custom fit with leather.

It took me only a few minutes to get the holes in the leather straps to the right positions for my head. The leather is of different type/finish than I’ve experienced with other phones, very soft, very flexible, very suede-y, very light weight. I was able to wear the SR1a for several hours without having to reach up and pull the ear cups off my ears a bit to allow heat and moist air to exchange with some cooler, dryer air. That in itself is a huge plus from my perspective.

Hinge points to rotate the wings are firm initially but relax with use. I get the most vivid presentation with the wings as close to my ears without touching any area of the lobes as possible. Moving the wings out will change the sound intensity and image spread. The overall sound fades a bit as I extend the wings out. The right spot to position the forward cushions turned out to be just in front of and up against my tragus on each ear. The clamping pressure is very light after adjusting the leather and stainless steel bands. I didn’t even notice the upper cushions on the side of my head. I set the headband so that it put the ribbon at the center at the center of each ear with equal amounts of overlap above the top of my ears and below my earlobes.

Still playing with ribbon wing angle, I suspect I will be doing that for a while trying to get the best compromise to the sound. These are different enough from standard phones and speakers that I’ve not really figured out the imaging and sound staging capabilities yet. Images are stable, big and seem close (recording dependent). Sound stage is very different, with less high frequency info that usually floats and sounds like it’s coming from directly over my head. The sound in general is a little more in front than inside my head, especially with binaural recordings. Of course the problem with most classical recordings is there are so many mics placed over the orchestra that a correct playback would be as if one were listening while levitating over the orchestra.

The cable connecting the phones to the interface box is almost weightless and more flexible than any I’ve ever experienced. 7 feet (approximately) in length is fine as I sit alongside both my HP rigs. For use with my home theater I would need an extension or longer single cable. RAAL has a number of both types in different lengths listed under the Accessories tab on the website. The tiny pins on the headphone end seat fully and firmly up into the female connector on the base of each wing. The female 4 pin end clips snugly into the male end on the interface, no worries about it getting lose or accidentally pulled out. That’s why I like XLR connections, whether or not the signal is balanced or single ended.

The short amplifier jumper cables that connect the interface to the amp are a good length and relatively stiff which is okay – keeps them from drooping on AC and other cables in my install, but I may at some point get some longer ones (maybe with locking bananas, but the ones used fit very snugly into the interface), just for placement flexibility. When released, the beauty of the Jotunheim “R” is it will eliminate the amplifier, the jumper cables and interface box, being all-in-one.

SOUND

The sound is not typical headphone or speaker-like to my way of hearing it, somewhere in between the two in its own category maybe, but a lot more headphone than speaker. I will be doing my initial evaluations over the next two weeks (or so) with my Ragnarok 1. Based on what I’ve read so far it is under powered to get the best from the SR1a so what follows is in light of this factor.

I had to use the 3rd gain setting and balanced input from Yggdrasil 2 when I use the lowest for my HD800 and 800S and Utopia, and the middle gain setting with the Abyss Phi with CC pads added after the purchase (it is not the TC model and is not the upgrade-able release) indicates to me that more power is needed for the SR1a. I connect the Ragnarok 1 to my Yggdrasil 2 with balanced cables. Although if I understand what I’ve read, and have been told so far, it’s not about the number of watts an amplifier can output but more about the ability to deliver 5 or more amps into the load. So with the right Schiit amplifier some of my comments below could very well change somewhat, and I’m hoping that right amp will be the Jotunheim “R”.

I’ve never heard the K1000 or MySphere but have always been partial to the sound of ribbons done right. And the Abyss sounds its best to me with its dedicated “Formula S” amp. (I’m not a dealer so I don’t have an unlimited supply of different amps to work with. Only what I buy to own.)

Right out of the box the high end energy was apparent and the increase in air and detail manifested itself readily. The amazing thing is I have never heard this amount of high frequency detail with absolutely no harshness, sibilance, or a shout-y quality, regardless of loudness level. Cymbals shimmered with air. Bells had a proper metallic quality to being struck. The brass had appropriate sounding metallic edge to them. High strings at all high dynamic levels were the best I’ve ever heard outside the concert hall. It’s all clean and clear without irritation of any sort.

I did not find the midrange recessed or forward (recording dependent), great tone and detail and body to the sound. I read a review where the reviewer commented that it seemed like the music sped up with the SR1a. The sensation I got was that a good bit more detail information was coming at my ears in the same time span and forcing my brain to speed up to unravel it all in the time allotted. But it was a quick adjustment for me. I think what may be happening is I hear a subtle detail revealed with more clarity for the first time, and my thought process pauses for just a second to make a mental note but the music has already moved on.

Bass is where I think opinions are going to vary greatly. Now that the air isn’t mostly trapped inside the ear cup the bass does not sound as full, impactful, airy and satisfying to me most of the time. I don’t think Wayne and Garth would approve. It’s very different approach from what I’m used to with my 4 other phones including the original HD800, but as a primarily classical music listener I’m drawn in by the extra detail I get at the bottom end without any blurring and look forward to improving that area with playing hours and a better amp. I compared 5 different recordings back to back of Stravinsky’s “The Rite of Spring” by 5 different orchestras in 5 different halls and was impressed at how easy it was to hear the differences in how the recordings bass was captured on each and the ambient air of the recording site. Tympani and bass drum and double basses (as well as other instruments like bassoon, etc.) on each were very different in quality and quantity, impact and air. Recording quality seems to be big determinant of what I’m hearing (or not hearing), but in general the bass was not as rich or impactful as I like. This may also be a result of needing more playing hours and a better amp match as well.

In general, I find all digital recordings (made from digital masters) fair better with this headphone than with older analog masters transferred to digital and I was not expecting this. Often times the results are the opposite with my other phones, especially in the midrange and highs. Many of my favorite old RCA and Mercury recordings don’t compare as well sonically as I expected with more contemporary recordings. Telarc’s, DG’s, Naxos, Decca, Reference Recordings, etc.; all sound better in the lower frequencies which I expected but the mids and highs are significantly better than I expected. But then my Sheffield recordings were made with a single-point stereo microphone and the CD’s issued still sound very good and came from two track, analog, safety tapes made simultaneously with the direct to disc cuts. The RS1a is pretty ruthless in revealing recording quality.

I’m finding the midrange and highs are more transparent and vibrant on the newer recordings with the SR1a, and the SR1a manages to handle highs with almost no glare or digititis (or whatever one wants to call it). It’s almost like digital recordings were waiting for this headphone to come along to show what they can do. Specific exception in the bass; Prokofiev 5th on Telarc label with Paavo Jarvi and Cincinnati S.O., the impact of the bass drum and the whole lower octave in general is very good, but with my other phones it sounds better at this point. Stravinsky’s “Rite” on the Exton label with Jaap van Zweden and Netherlands Radio P.O., one of several solidly recorded deep bass examples is good on the bottom but still I want a little more. These phones never get frazzled or congested during loud passages when the whole orchestra is going full tilt. My other TOTL phones all have a breaking point at the higher dynamic levels which are usually of very short duration time wise.

One curious aspect I noted was bass at low levels and in quieter passages gets closer to right for me, but as the dynamic level of the full orchestra goes up it’s almost as if the bottom octave is being held back or left behind as the midrange and highs just continue expand with the cleanest most dynamic sound I’ve ever heard from a headphone. Example; Mahler 5, Solti and Chicago S.O., I had the original analog LP (1970), still have the first digital transfer CD (AAD-1984) and the remastered CD (ADD-1991). The soft bass drum strikes are very well captured in the 1st movement, the loud ones in the 2nd movement are very good too. But in the 3rd and 5th movements they are just not impactful enough. And at two points during the symphony the bass drum is hit very hard overloading the tape recording equipment and the sound distorts terribly – it was that way on the original vinyl release and I always blamed it on my various phone cartridges inadequacies, but then it carried through on both digital re-mastering’s so it must be a problem with the original master tapes. With these phones the deep bass notes are there, you can hear them cleanly all the way down to the bottom, but they just don’t carry the weight of my other phones or sound close to the live impact in the concert hall. But then there are exceptions like that Prokofiev 5th mentioned above, which is much better, it just misses a bit of impact and air. Somewhere below 100Hz these phones just start to sound lighter in weight than I like.

These phones are very right with my pre- Beethoven music and chamber sized ensembles, the bass is mostly acceptable to my ears. Violins in particular (and violas, cellos, and basses) are better reproduced with the SR1a than any other phone I’ve heard to date and at any dynamic range point.

Someone in an earlier post queried as to how the Chesky binaural recordings would sound on the SR1a. I listened to my favorite evaluation tracks from Chesky’s Ultimate Headphone Demonstration Disc and it sounded very good.

On track 1 (When the Saints go Marching In) the ear grabbers I noted were the body to the sound of the banjo along with the speed and air of its plucked string’s, the tuba, and the drum set, especially the high-hat cymbals just shimmered and went on forever in there airiness and the ambience of the recording site.

On track 2 (Don’t You) Amber Rubarth’s voice still cut through the air like a samurai’s blade but without any harshness or sibilance, and the cello had great body and even greater detailing of the bow on string sound than with my other phones.

On track 5 (Las Perlas de Tu Boca) the opening double bass drops down to subterranean levels but without the bloat I get with some of my other phones providing much greater clarity and inner detail. I kept noticing little extra details in the reproduction of the singer’s voice that made it sound more realistic than with my other phones.

On track 6 (Ben’s Farm in Vermont) the various percussion instruments come through more cleanly than with my other phones, and the attack, decay, color and tone were spot on. The only possible weak spot was the final (and sole) bass drum thwack; I’d have liked more of an impactful thump and more air like I get with my other phones. It’s easy for me to recall how this sounds on my other phones.

On track 11 (Wa Wa Wa) the grouped voices were more clearly differentiated than I’ve experience with my other phones and the horns were sharp and gritty but again without any sibilance or irritation. This lack of irritation in the highs is notable with every recording I’ve listened to so far. I have yet to hear anything cringe worthy in the highs with this phone.

On track 12 (War) I have never heard the drum set as clean, powerful, and realistic as with the RS1a. The cymbals are airy and extended. The bass drum is weak compared to my other phones, like in track 6.

On track 13 (Rock and Roll) the soloists voice is just more real sounding and clearly intelligible with the SR1a than with my other phones. Not by a big margin but it is noticeable to my ears. And the electric guitars sound fine to me but others may have a different take when it comes to electric amplified instruments and what they are capable of and sound like.

The lack of strain exhibited by the SR1a reproducing music is truly amazing regardless of volume level. Again, I think the point of contention will come over this phones reproduction of bass. If someone wants to hear bigger, warmer bass that’s perfectly valid, we like what we like and there is no right or wrong. My point of comparison is always the live experience in the concert hall so right off the bat I’m at a disadvantage of mindset when listening to reproduced music.

For day 6 I’m going to relax and listen to mostly Rock oriented music. I’m not as critical a listener with genres other than classical and just go with the flow.

I’ve only got about 30 hour’s play time in over the past 6 days so things could change but for me I’m satisfied with my SR1a purchase. Will the bass improve with break-in hours of play? I don’t know. Is a ribbon like cones or other planar's that benefit from break-in? Maybe it will. It’s not going anywhere so it will eventually accumulate hours of play

I do think different amplification based on others comments will make some difference. First up will most likely be the Jotunheim “R” when available. Tube amplification may also make for changes in the sound (but it will probably be under-powered if the right amount of watts is between 150 and 400 as some have indicated) and I’ve got one nice tube/transformer’d output amp available. But the maximum output in ultra-linear mode with the KT88’s I run (4 per channel) is around 72 watts/channel because of how conservative the auto bias runs them (for longevity). I could try the more expensive KT150’s but even at that the rated output with my amp only increases to 88 watts per channel and that’s still not in the running. And, I have to disconnect the bi-wired cables to my Sonus fabers and the Speak-On cables to my REL sub-woofers, and then I’ve got no 2 channel listening until I reverse the process. One day I’ll get around to it. I’ve got a lot of albums to listen to with my Ragnarok 1 before I get to that point and I’m hoping the “R” will be available sooner rather than later.

It also crossed my mind that a full range ribbon this small may not be capable of making the excursion necessary to reproduce bass at the same levels of say my Abyss and with similar sonic traits as my cone or planar headphones, but what is there is very clean and detailed.

DAY 6

I spent several shifts listening to selections of mostly Rock oriented music today. Results unsurprisingly mirror my experience so far with the Classical and Jazz genres. First up were Alan Parsons “I Robot” from 1977 (MF release) and his most recent release this year “The Secret”. All the same favorable qualities as with many of my classical selections but I would like more bass weight. Some albums fared better than average, Chris Isaak’s “Heart Shaped World” sounded better than most from top to bottom thru the SR1a, and surprisingly it’s AAD from 1989. CSNY’s first 2 albums brought back some memories from 69’ and 70’, the year I finished my Army service. David Crosby’s “If I could Only Remember My Name” from 1971 is another favorite, especially “Cowboy Movie”, still could use a little more on the bottom end. Fleetwood Mac’s first two albums from 75’ and 77’ were passable in the bass. Zeppelin’s “Kashmir” and “Dancing Days” were pretty anemic in the bass in the release I have which was from a 4 CD “best of” set. Steely Dan’s “Bodhisattva” (great guitar work) and “Don’t Take Me Alive” both needed more weight yet “Babylon Sisters” was not bad. Aja album overall was better sounding. Traffics “Low Spark…” and “Rock and Roll Stew” were just okay and can sound better with my other phones at the bottom.

I’ll be checking out some more albums over the next week by Bad Company, The Clash, Dan Hicks, Drive by Truckers, Sting, U2 and some movie soundtracks in addition to my Classical and Jazz stuff but I expect no revelations.

A NOTE ON SINGLE ENDED VS. BALANCED

I tried running SE from my Yggdrasil 2 to Ragnarok 1 with SR1a and interface. Results were not very good. I was running an SE line out of the Yggdrasil 2 and had the Ragnarok 1 set to the highest gain setting and still I was having the volume control well beyond 3:00 in SE mode. 12:00 to 2:00 was about right when driving the amp with a balanced signal in most cases regardless of the level the recording was made at.

I’ve always experienced having to use a higher setting of the volume control with SE versus balanced with my other phones but never noted such a big difference in sound otherwise. With my other phones maybe balanced has a small advantage over SE with respect to imaging and sound stage, but that’s about all I hear. I run my two Senn HD’s and Utopia at the low gain setting on the Ragnarok 1, and the Abyss seems to benefit from the middle gain setting (although as I said earlier, it sounds its best to me with its own purpose built “Formula S”). But with SE and the RS1a the results, even at the highest gain setting, was that the sound was kinda washed out, pale, even at well past 3:00 on the volume control. And slipping my Loki in the chain made no improvement and maybe made it worse. I can only conclude that the RS1a does indeed require a lot more juice of some sort than I’ve ever experienced before with any other headphone. On balanced and highest gain the sound was significantly more transparent with believable presence and clarity on the SR1a. I don’t understand why the results are so drastically different but that’s the way I heard it.

So, until Jotunheim “R” is available I can only run balanced and get satisfactory sound, I’ll try SE again when “R” arrives and give my Loki another shot. Of course other amps may give better results right now but the “R” is just too intriguing not to wait for and I’m hoping it will be the answer with respect to the SR1a for me.

When I get an “R” in my sweaty hands I can use my Switchwitch XLR switch box to make quick comparison between the Ragnarok 1 plus interphase and the “R”, I’m looking forward to that.



SUMMARY

The SR1a is an exceptionally good sounding headphone especially from the bottom of the upper bass thru to the highs in comparison to my other phones. It’s very revealing of everything in front of it starting with the quality of the source recording. It’s non-fatiguing for long listening sessions and I find it very comfortable to wear, especially when it comes to the open baffle design and how easy that is on my un-enclosed ears. Because they are so open and not confining like traditional ear cups, ambient noise can be a problem so a quiet environment will be a plus. When “R” arrives and after A/B’ing against the Ragnarok/interface I will move the SR1a to my upstairs rig which is in the quietest room in my home.

The sound never gets congested, garbled, or strident at any volume setting or dynamic level. The sound never gets out of control. It’s exactly because the midrange and highs are so transparent, so fast on attack and controlled on decay, and lacking in any type of coloration, that the lower bass can be frustrating to me at times. The low bass is also transparent, as fast on attack and controlled on decay, and lacking in any type of coloration like the midrange and highs, but it’s just lacking that oomph and weight that satisfies me with full orchestra and even Rock with but a few exceptions depending on the recording. And the fact is I can’t limit my listening to just a handful of exquisitely recorded CD’s.

A better amp match should mitigate some of my desire for more bass so I’ll reserve my final judgement until I get more experience, break-in (now at about 30hrs.), and the “R” arrives. In the meantime I’ll be playing a couple of different “break-in / burn-in” CD’s and high quality, wide dynamic range recordings I have during each day this upcoming week when I’m not listening to get more playing hours in quicker. By the end of the second week I should be around 140 hours.

Maybe RAAL will come up with a version voiced for “audiophiles” to complement this one for the recording studio engineers whose needs could be different from home audio enthusiasts (and I knew that going in).

I highly recommend an audition of the SR1a if you get the opportunity. It is un-like any of my other phones and with the exception of deep bass (at this point in time and I’m pretty certain I’m not a bass-o-haulic), I prefer it over my others and not just for sound but comfort as well. I’ve got a lot of hours to listen and compare ahead of me and more impressions with various amp pairings should be forthcoming from the community. If I get to a breakthrough I’ll report back.

FLTWS
Great write up!!! I feel like they are on another level, and not quite speakers or headphones but something in-between. My problem is it is easy to turn up the volume to what would be potentially harmful dBs to my ears due to them not sounding harsh or even "painful", but this is why I keep a sound level meter on my desk to ensure safe listening levels. I am definetly sold on the Jotunheim R, after hearing it! I have said it in other posts but I was going to wait on more reviews after it's release, but after hearing it in person and the form factor! Day one sale for me!
 
Nov 4, 2019 at 4:56 PM Post #1,596 of 7,842
Nice detailed review.

What is your opinion between Sr1a and Abyss Phi with CC pads ?

If you live close to me, then it would be very nice to visit you.

I am living in Northwest of Washington State.

Thomas

I'm 90 minutes +/- drive from the Atlantic Ocean.

Comparing Abyss Phi CC versus SR1a? That's a tough one. It's not apples versus oranges. It's more like apples versus avocados.
Ears enclosed, ears in the open. SR1a vs MySphere vs K1 would be a better comparison. (But I have never heard either of the other two.)
It's like comparing a box speaker design to a dipole design. Two different approaches, two different sound presentations, and I've never heard one design type that sounded like the other.

Both the 1266 Phi and SR1a are great headphones with different sets of plus and minus as I hear them. Very different tonal balances. There may be other aspects to the sonic presentation of each but that comparison will be down the road for me to tackle, or not.

It is still way too early in the game with the SR1a to come to some sort of "final" conclusion for myself other than its not going anywhere and I do believe a better amp can solve my desires in the bottom octave. And that amp appears to be not too far off on the horizon. I do believe at this point my Ragnarok 1 is keeping the SR1a from delivering its best and what I want, coupled maybe with the SR1a needing more break-in.

My history with the Abyss is; I spent 10 days in home with the original in Nov 2016 and didn't care for it. Nov 2017 I spent 2 weeks at home with the Phi and the improvement in sound over the original had me purchase it then because to my ears it was doing so many things so well and better than the original, and I got comfortable with the fitting and adjusting for best sound. I spent 2 weeks in home with the TC earlier this year and the improvement to sound, to my ears, was more incremental over the Phi as I compared the two side by side. But for me personally the dollars and sense difference to sell my Phi and buy the TC didn't have me springing into action.

I've listened to only the SR1a since it arrived and will continue to do so for the rest of this second week, maybe more. I want to burn its sound characteristics into my memory. I will do some focused comparison with my other phones at a later date. Not with an objective of concluding good / bad, winner / loser, but more of an exercise to recognize what's special about each one and what they bring to the listening experience for me and my preferences and which may have the best balance of those things I like when listening.

One area where both the Phi and the SR1a are similar. Weighting. With both phones the supporting head band structures of both are very light compared to the transducer housings which are heavy enough that I feel their inertia leading to where my noggin is headed when I lien one way or another. (Like I said in my write-up, Wayne and Garth will not be able to keep either phone on their head).
Both 800's are so light it's like they are not even on, the Utopia somewhere in between the two extremes.I never listen lying down or perform other tasks so I'm reasonably sitting still. I typically listen only 2 to 3 hours a day on days I can listen, except when I'm evaluating, then I do spend more time. I don't wear any phone all day long for background / elevator muzak. I have no comfort issues with the Phi or SR1a due to weight and its distribution. The lack of heat build up with the SR1a is a plus for me that I do prefer over all my other phones. Now that winters on the way its not as bad as from April thru October, which is air conditioning season for me.

I do listen to all my phones over time (well, the Phi, Utopia, HD800 and HD800S) for variety and a change of pace. I'm focused on the SR1a at the present as its new and shiny,
 
Nov 4, 2019 at 5:22 PM Post #1,597 of 7,842
 
Nov 4, 2019 at 5:29 PM Post #1,598 of 7,842
I'm 90 minutes +/- drive from the Atlantic Ocean.

Comparing Abyss Phi CC versus SR1a? That's a tough one. It's not apples versus oranges. It's more like apples versus avocados.
Ears enclosed, ears in the open. SR1a vs MySphere vs K1 would be a better comparison. (But I have never heard either of the other two.)
It's like comparing a box speaker design to a dipole design. Two different approaches, two different sound presentations, and I've never heard one design type that sounded like the other.

Both the 1266 Phi and SR1a are great headphones with different sets of plus and minus as I hear them. Very different tonal balances. There may be other aspects to the sonic presentation of each but that comparison will be down the road for me to tackle, or not.

It is still way too early in the game with the SR1a to come to some sort of "final" conclusion for myself other than its not going anywhere and I do believe a better amp can solve my desires in the bottom octave. And that amp appears to be not too far off on the horizon. I do believe at this point my Ragnarok 1 is keeping the SR1a from delivering its best and what I want, coupled maybe with the SR1a needing more break-in.

My history with the Abyss is; I spent 10 days in home with the original in Nov 2016 and didn't care for it. Nov 2017 I spent 2 weeks at home with the Phi and the improvement in sound over the original had me purchase it then because to my ears it was doing so many things so well and better than the original, and I got comfortable with the fitting and adjusting for best sound. I spent 2 weeks in home with the TC earlier this year and the improvement to sound, to my ears, was more incremental over the Phi as I compared the two side by side. But for me personally the dollars and sense difference to sell my Phi and buy the TC didn't have me springing into action.

I've listened to only the SR1a since it arrived and will continue to do so for the rest of this second week, maybe more. I want to burn its sound characteristics into my memory. I will do some focused comparison with my other phones at a later date. Not with an objective of concluding good / bad, winner / loser, but more of an exercise to recognize what's special about each one and what they bring to the listening experience for me and my preferences and which may have the best balance of those things I like when listening.

One area where both the Phi and the SR1a are similar. Weighting. With both phones the supporting head band structures of both are very light compared to the transducer housings which are heavy enough that I feel their inertia leading to where my noggin is headed when I lien one way or another. (Like I said in my write-up, Wayne and Garth will not be able to keep either phone on their head).
Both 800's are so light it's like they are not even on, the Utopia somewhere in between the two extremes.I never listen lying down or perform other tasks so I'm reasonably sitting still. I typically listen only 2 to 3 hours a day on days I can listen, except when I'm evaluating, then I do spend more time. I don't wear any phone all day long for background / elevator muzak. I have no comfort issues with the Phi or SR1a due to weight and its distribution. The lack of heat build up with the SR1a is a plus for me that I do prefer over all my other phones. Now that winters on the way its not as bad as from April thru October, which is air conditioning season for me.

I do listen to all my phones over time (well, the Phi, Utopia, HD800 and HD800S) for variety and a change of pace. I'm focused on the SR1a at the present as its new and shiny,
Thanks a lot for your kind and detailed reply.

Fortunately, I found nice pal who live 80 miles from my home. He will let me audition both SR1a and Abyss Phi tomorrow.

I use Chord Dave as amplifier to drive HD800S and KGSSV Carbon amplifier to drive Stax 009s.

HD800s is good for casual listening. I can listen to it for several hours.

But Stax 009s driven by Carbon with Chord Dave and HMS in the chain is one league above hd 800s in nuanced details and bass texture.

I will also give my impression later tomorrow.
 
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Nov 4, 2019 at 5:31 PM Post #1,599 of 7,842
Nice detailed review.

What is your opinion between Sr1a and Abyss Phi with CC pads ?

If you live close to me, then it would be very nice to visit you.

I am living in Northwest of Washington State.

Thomas

My review talks a bit more directly regarding the Phi/SR1a comparison, the link is in my signature.

There is value in keeping both but if you have the budget for one system, the SR1a is the clear winner.
 
Nov 4, 2019 at 8:04 PM Post #1,600 of 7,842
Thanks a lot for your kind and detailed reply.

Fortunately, I found nice pal who live 80 miles from my home. He will let me audition both SR1a and Abyss Phi tomorrow.

I use Chord Dave as amplifier to drive HD800S and KGSSV Carbon amplifier to drive Stax 009s.

HD800s is good for casual listening. I can listen to it for several hours.

But Stax 009s driven by Carbon with Chord Dave and HMS in the chain is one league above hd 800s in nuanced details and bass texture.

I will also give my impression later tomorrow.
I can think of only one person that might match who you are visiting with, but I could be wrong =) have fun, and prep your wallet, either fortifications for blocking removal of payment options, or give in and just have payment options ready to go lol...
 
Nov 5, 2019 at 8:06 PM Post #1,602 of 7,842
A complete aside, but part of my argument against double-blind A-B testing: One has to really concentrate, and have essentially trained oneself to listen for small differences, in order to even halfway compare two pieces of equipment (or two recordings of the same song). Just the tip of the Iceburg: one can listen for and compare the differences in relation to general frequency spectrums, then types of instruments such as strings and horns and keyboards and drums, then all the variations within that form of instrument (electric guitar, acoustic guitar, fiddle, mandolin, banjo, bass, upright bass... dobro, national steel (bodied) guitar, harp, cello...).
I could go on and on, but anyone who's tried to do any kind of rudimentary comparison understands the progression, and after a period of time (10 minutes, or 30 minutes) with the same track my mind gets tired or numb or wanders (should I be calling a guy about some personal business rather than typing this!?, yes, so, make a decision, OK: back to concentrating on music?). Double-blind testing with me as the listener could take a week or two at the least, just to maybe get a scientific result. It isn't because I can't hear a difference, it's because my feeble brain can't solve an "equation" with 50 variables and 50 unknowns just because I sit down and concentrate hard for 15 minutes as someone else switches in and out pieces of equipment.
Double blind testing is not limited to running a single piece of music over and over again.
Anyway this would not yield sensefull results as you need a variety of different music to check all aspects.
And no need to concentrate on certain instruments or something.
Just compare which one you like better all over, or, in case of amplifiers, e.g., if you can hear a difference at all.
Most important for this type of A/B/X tests (or even simple A/B tests) is highly precise level matching, which can not be done by listening, but only by using a voltmeter and sine wave test signals.

For anyone want to have fun with a simple test which will show astonishing results and can be done just very easy look here:
https://www.audiocheck.net/blindtests_16vs8bit_NeilYoung.php

And then we start talking about the sound of different cables:dt880smile:
 
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Nov 6, 2019 at 1:20 PM Post #1,603 of 7,842
Yesterday, I auditioned Raal SR1a and Abyss Phi CC headphones at home of my pal.


I brought 3 CDs that I am familiar with to test tonality, focus, soundstage and dynamics.


I started with SR1a using Chord Blu2 and Dave as source and Chord Etude amplifier to drive it.


It remind me of Apogee Duetta Signature driven by Krell KSA 150 from 1989 to 1999 which use ribbon as well as Sr1a.


It sounds fast and open.


One may adjust the soundstage by moving headcup around.


But I feel comfortable with headcup in the middle.


The only nitpick is that it did not go very deep.


Duetta also went around 35hz but with enough impact.


The same thing apply to SR1a.


Schitt had made dedicated amplifier for Sr1a called "Jotunheim R. " priced at 800$.


My pal tested Jotunheim R. to give more full bass than Etude.



I will try out Sr1a and Jotunheim R. next year at my home.


I also tested same CDs on Abyss Phi CC connected directly with Dave.


This is my first encounter with Abyss headphones.


It gives excellent transparent sound with well defined spatial cues and nice timber.


But Dave is under powered to drive Abyss Phi CC with not much bass slam.


As I searched the thread of Abyss Phi CC I found that it need nice amp which may cost 5k$ or more.


https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-jps-labs-abyss-ab-1266-impressions-thread.666765/page-536



Updated Abyss Phi TC is known to give more details, clear bass than Abyss Phi CC.


I will try out Abyss Phi TC on 2021 after setting enough budget on it.


After being back to my home, I had listened to Senheiser HD 800S and Stax 009s driven by KGSSV Carbon amplifier.


My source is Chord Dave and Mscaler almost similar to one in my pal's place.


HD800S is not in the same league as Abyss Phi CC not matching transparency.


But after eq with Lyngdorf 2170, it come close to Abyss Phi CC almost 90%.


Staxt 009S does not give sharp placement of instruments in 3d soundstage as Abyss Phi CC.


But Stax 009S is more musical than Abyss Phi CC with nuanced details and excellent bass slam driven by KGSSV Carbon amplifier.


I have 41 years of audio history back to 1978.



Some people ask me what is the best speaker that I had heard.


It is the vintage Western Electric big horn speaker driven by restored Western Electric amp owned by my rich friend.


But it is unobtainable and priceless ( worth more than 2 million $).


I had been happy with Lansche 4.1 since 2007.


Lansche 4.1 driven by SET amp give spooky vocals.


Also its active bass give enough impact.



It is hard to have several speakers at home with optimal sound.


But it is rather easy to have headphones with different flavor.



I can listen to HD 800s headphone several hours without feeling discomfort.


When I go out of town, I bring Empire Zeus IEM which can be driven by Galaxy cellphone.


I also enjoy musical sound of Stax 009s driven by KGSSV Carbon amplifier.


Next year I will try out Raal Sr1a which remind me of Apogee Duetta that I had used happily from 1989 to 1999.


On 2021 I may add Abyss phi TC to my collections of headphones.


Thomas
 
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Nov 7, 2019 at 11:58 AM Post #1,605 of 7,842
Hi folks.
I posted my initial impressions of the Jotunheim R
at the Schiit thread

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/sch...bable-start-up.701900/page-3543#post-15293517


E
dit. Reposting as a quote also

My own version of SchiitR - Schiit + Raal Requisite Sr1A



First of all I’d like to thank @sean888 from SLT (here in Singapore) for letting me audition the Jotunheim R with my own Raal Requisite SR1a.


My initial impressions of the Raal SR1A can be read at the Raal thread https://www.head-fi.org/threads/raal-ribbon-headphones-srh1a.890603/page-58#post-14914671

I thought of posting this new Jotunheim R impression, albeit an amateurish one, in the Raal Sr1a thread but its more fitting to post it here as I realised that I am basically "Amp Rolling" between Schiit amps.

But before reading what I have to say, I’d like to just be clear that:
  1. I’m not a technical audiophile kind of guy. Meaning I’m not used to using terms like plankton, holographic etc etc. I'm a simpleton that knows what's excellent from what's EPIC
  2. What I have auditioned is a production-qualifier Jotunheim R.
  3. I’m very very familiar with most of the Schiit amps. Jotunheim > Lyr 3 > Ragnarok 1 > Mjolnir 2 > Vidar > Aegir. But I don’t consider myself as a Schiit fan boy.
  4. These are just my own impressions.
I visited @sean888 's office back in April to try out the different pairs of Vidar and Aegir for me to decide which amps would I use not only for the SR1a, but also for my KEF R300s (which I am thinking of changing soon). There I got to try out the Vidars + Freya OG vs Aegir + Freya OG vs Devialet D-Primer Integrated Amp. Not knowing the price of the Devialet I thought it was only 5-10% better than the Aegir.


To me the Aegirs were a clear winner. However the Devialet amp driving the Sr1a was much more refined has better bass control and treble extension.



So my current setup I have at home is a Source X > Yggdrasil A2 > Freya+ (with rare Brimar tubes) > 2x Aegirs > KEF R300 or SR1a. Having this setup gives me a lot of joy but only up to the point when I need to reach the back of my setup to switch the connections of the Aegirs and Raal’s black box driver. So troublesome to do that everytime. Which is why I was so thrilled that @Jason Stoddard announced that Schiit is in the process of making the Jotunheim R that would directly drive the Sr1a with no required big bulky amps.

What I had with my was the production-qualifier of the Jotunheim R and the Bifrost 2 + my setup. Not yet burned in. For the SR1A, I wanted to do a comprehensive AB testing , different chains like:
  • BiFrost 2 + Jotunheim R + SR1a
  • BiFrost 2 + Freya + Aegirs + Raals Ribbon Amp/Interface + SR1a
  • Yggdrasil A2 + Jotunheim R + SR1a
  • Yggdrasil A2 + Freya + Aegirs + Raals Ribbon Amp/Interface + SR1a

I tried all and in my opinion, the setups above all sounded way way way better than any Electrostats, Dynamic Drivers and Planars.

But with the limited time I had with the Jotunheim R I’m not able to do a very well focused listening. So in the end I had to do AB testing with the setup:

- Yggdrasil A2+ Freya + Aegirs + Raals Ribbon Amp/Interface + SR1a
- Yggdrasil A2+ Freya + Jotunheim + SR1a

In the end, aftere 5-6 hours of listening. I’m sold on the Jotunheim R. Its even better than the Devialet amp which I believe was around 15K USD (I think).

Some of the tracks that I listened to were:

Dreaming Tree - Dave Matthews Band
  • Separation is amazing. Nicely flooded with a lot of sound information. But none of the instruments sound like they were fighting for each other in the time domain.
Stay - Lisa Loeb
  • Oh wow. Warm. Lisa Loeb’s breathes is more visible with the echoes of her voice more pronounced. Easy to determine how many back up singers singing.
Easy Fraction - Breakbot
  • With this track I wanted to check if the Jotunheim R drives the SR1a with better bass. Yes, the Joturnheim R delivers on the bass. Fuller and richer. I would say the right amount of realistic bass.
Other Jazz and Classical tracks
  • All instruments sounded real. Cymbals are cymbals and Pianos are Pianos. Sorry I can't really elaborate. You just need to buy/try it and I'm sure you'll agree.
The production-qualifier Jotunheim R drives the SR1a with:
  • overall better bass than the Aegirs or the Vidar or the Devialet
  • tighter, faster and slightly higher resolution. but still wide sound stage (well relative to how the Sr1A is spread out)
  • somehow the Aegir's top end sounded shouty but I only realised this when I heard the Sr1A with the Jotunheim R. never noticed this before. Aegir is not glaring to beging with. Maybe the right description would be that the Jotunheim R is far more refined
  • Hard for me to determine if balance vs single ended has some difference in sound quality in the Jotunheim R.
Again even with any headphone amp (except maybe with the Abyss + some insanely expensive amp) no other headphones can compare with the SR1A.

Jotunheim R + Sr1A - Is this an end game setup?
Its very easy to say yes but there’s always that possibility that Raal may come up with a better version. By better version - is out of my imagination. However, I would, without any hesitation, say that Raal Ribbons as drivers are the end game for me.

Is the Schiit Jotunheim R a product you should buy to pair with the Sr1a?
Well, let me put it this way, the Jotunheim R is a gift from Schiit that I highly recommend you should give yourself.

I'm excited for the Jotunheim R. Really really excited. I will click on "add to cart" and "check out" the day it's out. For the sound quality and performance that the Jotunheim R and the SR1A delivers, its relatively cheap compared to other high end amps and headphones. I know some people are even saying its the same level as the Sennheisser HE 1 in terms of performance.

Its funny that my first Schiit product was the Jotunheim. I upgraded to the Ragnarok 1 to get a more high end platform only to circle back to the Jotunheim R.

Cheers guys. I hope you all try out the Jotunheim R and the Sr1a.
 
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