[Exekuhtor]

Interesting and daring article by @chrisyak about the professional hatred around Immanis...
This mirrors a lot of my thoughts about the divisiveness around this topic.

https://www.androidheadlines.com/un...tics-rushed-judgments-and-hidden-agendas.html

(Posting here as a gentle topic of discussion. I really don't want to start any flame wars— I'm quite tired of being beat down for sharing my opinion)

I mean, in the end Resolve, which is extremely critical of any unusual frequency curves and EQ's everything, and Goldensound, who heard some treble problems for him in the headphone (apparantly he can hear up to 21Khz), didn't like it in the few minutes they checked it out. On one system, probably on a delta sigma DAC and not a tube amp. Maybe their impressions on a R2R DAC with an Envy would have been different, who knows. I myself have not heard it on a "sharper and neutral" sounding chain.
That's it, it's not that complicated to be honest.
The 1266TC also has a weird frequency response and is still in the top 10 (more like top 5) best and most beloved headphones that exist in this hobby. There are a lot of people who would never get it, and compared to the 1266, i think that the Immanis is more "conventional" sounding.

As prices increases more and more, hearing a headphone is way more important before buying it than before, but that's also nothing new. At least with the Immanis you can transfer the warranty, it's not like the Unveiled (which the article funnily hints at with the header "The Controversy Unveiled").
In the end, as the article says, most Immanis owners are very happy with their purchase, and the few which were not, sold it with minimal loss immediately, so it's not that much of a problem.
If out of 20 people three dislike the Immanis, and two of them happen to be a reviewer, that's ok, but i don't think there is enough drama here to dig deeper into it...

 

[theveterans]

Interesting and daring article by @chrisyak about the professional hatred around Immanis...
This mirrors a lot of my thoughts about the divisiveness around this topic.

https://www.androidheadlines.com/un...tics-rushed-judgments-and-hidden-agendas.html

(Posting here as a gentle topic of discussion. I really don't want to start any flame wars— I'm quite tired of being beat down for sharing my opinion)

Surprised this hasn't reached Reddit yet lol

 

[tjkohli]

I mean, in the end Resolve, which is extremely critical of any unusual frequency curves and EQ's everything, and Goldensound, who heard some treble problems for him in the heapdihne

Although I very much disagree with their impressions of Immanis, I do respect both Resolve and GoldenSound and their general opinions on audio.

It is very much possible that the setup/chain that they demoed on Immanis was not ideal. It is also very much possible that they listened to a defective unit.

 

[theveterans]

Although I very much disagree with their impressions of Immanis, I do respect both Resolve and GoldenSound and their general opinions on audio.

It is very much possible that the setup/chain that they demoed on Immanis was not ideal. It is also very much possible that they listened to a defective unit.

Nah. I have demoed the Aperio GSE back on CanJam SoCal so I know what Cameron/GoldenSound prefers in the tuning of the treble region and Immanis is somewhat opposite of it from my rough memory

 

[number1sixerfan]

If we aren't able to post quick impressions from shows, positive or negative, then whats the point..of any of this?

Yup, agree. That article just seems well, dramatic.

Although I very much disagree with their impressions of Immanis, I do respect both Resolve and GoldenSound and their general opinions on audio.

It is very much possible that the setup/chain that they demoed on Immanis was not ideal. It is also very much possible that they listened to a defective unit.

Or they heard what they heard, in whatever setting they did with the preferences they have and shared valid opinions. And that's OK.

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Anyways, back home from a trip and the Immanis is the first thing I've thrown on. I did revisit the vocal positioning topic brought up in this thread and had some interesting findings between it and the Shang Sr., Aperio and Valkyria that made me better understand what some people are sharing and listening (this was before I left for my current trip that I'm just back from). Will give it some more time since I've been away and try to follow up here, but get where some people may be coming from/what they're experiencing.

Also, just really enjoying them. They get equal time to the Shangri-la Sr. and are the first to ever do so. If you've followed my thread that's quite a big deal. I prefer a detail first headphone (while having things like the Valk and Aperio as great contrasts to them), and listen to a lot of acoustic, female vocal heavy tracks, some traditional classical, neoclassical, soul, jazz, and some pop. Despite that they are one of few that I can wander off into heavy rock with deep bass, hip hop, electronica etc. but do so rarely. Just sharing that to qualify my experience and help with others as reading through impressions for their own purchasing decisions.

Also, a bit of a random tidbit that I've shared before; I can see for some users possibly preferring a slight more warmth (as with say the Susvara but still close to neutral). I do think that's why I enjoy the Immanis as closely as the Shang, as its slightly more neutral + the bass. Cheers and happy listening

 

[Resolve]

And that all comes from someone who has pretty divergent taste from @Resolve and is really looking forward to hearing the immanis at some point.

I recommend listening to it. A lot of folks seem to be into it.

 

[rsbrsvp]

Interesting and daring article by @chrisyak about the professional hatred around Immanis...
This mirrors a lot of my thoughts about the divisiveness around this topic.

https://www.androidheadlines.com/un...tics-rushed-judgments-and-hidden-agendas.html

(Posting here as a gentle topic of discussion. I really don't want to start any flame wars— I'm quite tired of being beat down for sharing my opinion)

Why is everyone required to like this headphone? The reviewers who don't like it have the right to their opinions just as they have on other headphones. They are professional reviewers who have respected names in our community and accusing them of rushed judgement is hard to believe. They are known to be very well thought out reviewers.

Why does everyone have to agree with those who love these headphones? For those who love it- enjoy your blessing. For those who don't, and who express their feelings in a proper way,- why do those who do like the headphone have a need to defend their likings by accusing the reviewers of doing their job wrong? Why not allow freedom of speech without having to be so defensive?

head-fi is a place for us to share our opinions. Perhaps trying to debunk highly respected reviewers because we disagree with them is a sign that the criticizers are insecure about their position. Adults can agree to disagree in a friendly, proper manner without discrediting others or getting into attack mode.

I am so happy for those who love this or any other piece of equipment and appreciate the expressions of what you love about your equipment, but I respect those who want to express their dislikes as well. Censoring the "dislikers" by discrediting them is unacceptable. This is how we learn and share and become more enabled to make purchasing decisions- by hearing many takes from differet perspectives.

 

[Leto Dal]

Because many people who spent 10k on a headphone start to feel insecure about their purchase when someone is not giving full praise :]

 

[rsbrsvp]

Because many people who spent 10k on a headphone start to feel insecure about their purchase when someone is not giving full praise :]

This is correct. I believe the psychological term is "cognative dissonance" .

 

[GoldenSound]

Why is everyone required to like this headphone? The reviewers who dont like it have the right to their opinions just as they have on other headphones. They are professional reviewers who have respected names in our community and accusing them of rushed judgement is hard to believe. They are known to be very well thought out reviewers.

Why does everyone have to agree with those who love the headphone? For those who love it- enjoy your blessing. For those who dont, and who express their feelings in a proper way,- why do those who do like the headphone have a need to defend their likings by accusing the reviewers of doing their job wrong? Why not allow freedom of speech without having to be so defensive?

head-fi is a place for us to share our opinions. Perhaps trying to debunk highly respected reviewers because we disagree with them is a sign that the critisizers are insecure about their position. Adults can agree to dissagree in a friendly, proper manner without discrediting others or getting into attack mode.

I am so happy for those who love this or any other piece of equipment and appreciate the expressions of what you love about your equipment, but I respect thse who want to express their dislikes as well. This is how we learn and share and become more enabled to make purchasing decisions.

This tbh

Im used to some people disagreeing with what's said in reviews. That's unavoidable due to the simple fact that there will always be some people that feel differently about a product. Doesn't matter what it is or whether you were negative or positive.

But the anger and assumption that me saying I didn't find the immanis to be the very best headphone ever created is due to some ulterior motive is baffling to me.


- Neither myself, nor any of the others on the headphone show have reviewed immanis! I'd love to if the opportunity arises but we've not had the opportunity to get ahold of any units. I may be able to borrow one from a friend in the near future.

- Resolve and I shared our thoughts based on show impressions and it was VERY clear that was the case; in a video about an audio show with impressions of many other products. Though fwiw I've heard immanis on numerous setups now, the best of which was probably the Viva Belva in the Hifonix room at Canjam London. Aseem let me listen when it was empty too which was great.

- Despite what some are saying about either my own or resolve's approach being too data or objectivity focused, our thoughts were shared based purely on listening impressions. We didn't see measurements until last week at canjam.

- If someone has a differing opinion to you about a headphone, THAT IS OK! It doesn't mean they're evil, or there's something causing them to lie, it just means they had a different experience. And your headphones will still sound the same to you without you needing to argue with that person or find some reason as to explain why they're "wrong"

 

[walterboss]

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[nwavesailor]

Because many people who spent 10k on a headphone start to feel insecure about their purchase when someone is not giving full praise :]

I'll agree that some who spend real $$$ in any hobby, particularly high end audio, may look for positive confirmation regarding their decision to buy.
I think it is a few not many people but you may be right.

 

[Leto Dal]

I'll agree that some who spend real $$$ in any hobby, particularly high end audio, may look for positive confirmation regarding their decision to buy.
I think it is a few not many people but you may be right.

I see it rather often. Especially in summit segment, with stuff like Aperio, Storm, Apx Se or summit fi dacs and amps, where such purchases are supposed to be a definitive endgame „the best“.

 

[rsbrsvp]

So so many products that got nearly universal praise in the past were not to my liking. Does that mean everyone is wrong and I am right? Of course not. Does it mean everyone is right and I am wrong? Of course not. Opinions and tastes cannot be calssified in these ways. I have my tastes and so do all of you. Express them in a healthy, clean, friendly manner. It helps us all....

 

[rsbrsvp]

I have 6 headphones. I love them all and would be unable to decide which to keep if I had to choose one. In that group is the LCD-4Z, a headphone that goes used for under 2K. It has a bold dark meaty sound which is irresistable to my ears. I prefer it to the Susvara and TC- by alot. 9 out of 10 people would disagree. I understand their reasoning. The 4Z lags behind them in nearly every technical area- but IMHO it betters them in TONE. I'm nuts about the dense dark solid sound and that is more important to me that the other technicalities it may lag in. It just moves my emotions in a way that the others don't. I think most reasonable people out there could respect and understand my reasoning but still disagree- and I accept that.... Dont lie to yourself based on public opinion. Be true to your likes and dislikes and express your opinions in a proper way. We are supposed to be friends and expressing our opinions is part of this friendship.