Questions about LD MK3 vs. MK4

Dec 28, 2007 at 5:09 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 15

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I am thinking about getting one of these bad mothers for my first dip into the amp lifestyle, but I don't know jack about what a spec sheet says. I have been reading some reviews about each and have a few questions.

1) is there really $100 worth of difference btwn the two?
2) what is the guard around the tubes on the MK4? does it make removal more difficult?
3) how do you use these as pre-amps? all i have is LP source, would i need a phono stage in btwn the two?
4) how bad am i gonna want new headphones when this is hooked up? using sr80's right now.

thanks, i will have more but this should be a good start.
 
Dec 28, 2007 at 9:27 PM Post #2 of 15
I've been wondering about the audio difference between the two also. I'm also curious to know if they both have the same amount of tube options available or if one has more. I'm thinking of buying one of these within the next two weeks to replace my LD2+.
 
Dec 28, 2007 at 9:32 PM Post #3 of 15
And yes, blmelon, you will need a phono stage unless you have some vintage turntable that has one built in. Look at the Cambridge 640P or similar for a reasonably priced phono stage that outperforms it's price range.
 
Dec 28, 2007 at 9:44 PM Post #4 of 15
no, i don;t have a vintage TT. i have a cheap sony TT. would i need to run it into the phono stage, then to the LD amp then through my reciever? would this clean up the sound? would i be wasting time and money b/c i still have weak links in the chain? new at this, but really want to upgrade over the next year or so.
 
Dec 28, 2007 at 9:48 PM Post #5 of 15
You just need a phono pre-amp and amp. You would run your TT to the pre-amp and then to the amp and put your receiver in the garage. Your receiver was basically a phonostage and amp in one box. You would basically be upgrading the components and separating them. MAYBE I'M STOOPID THOUGH.
 
Dec 28, 2007 at 9:59 PM Post #7 of 15
I believe that the MKIV is more or less a refined version of the MKIII (that's not to say its not worth it though), using higher quality components in several key places. As far as I know they use the same tubes (well I mean the same tubes fit both, as I think one of the ways the MKIV is better is that it comes with better tubes than the MKIII). You might try e-mailing the seller, as they seem to be very friendly to deal with. I seem to recall the differences being discussed somewhere.
 
Dec 29, 2007 at 2:48 PM Post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by blmelon /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I am thinking about getting one of these bad mothers for my first dip into the amp lifestyle, but I don't know jack about what a spec sheet says. I have been reading some reviews about each and have a few questions.

1) is there really $100 worth of difference btwn the two?
2) what is the guard around the tubes on the MK4? does it make removal more difficult?
3) how do you use these as pre-amps? all i have is LP source, would i need a phono stage in btwn the two?
4) how bad am i gonna want new headphones when this is hooked up? using sr80's right now.

thanks, i will have more but this should be a good start.



I'll try to explain some of the differences between the two and (of course) it will be up to you to decide if the cost is worth it for your situation. First would be advantages in circuit design. The MKIII is a standard design found in most headphone amps under $500. The MKIV has the SEPP (OTL) circuit design, which is usually found in headphone amps above $500. I can't quantify the difference for you audibly, but some reading on the topic is here at HeadFi. One could simply say it is a superior design. Second, the MKIV is more powerful than the MKIII, about 150mW at 300ohms. Third, the MKIV has slightly less distortion than the MKIII. Fourth, the MKIV is a bigger unit than the MKIII, MKIII is 10.6 inches deep by 6.9 inches wide by 4.8 inches tall, the MKIV is 12.6 inches deep by 8.66 inches wide by 5.62 inches tall.

Both units have the same tube rolling capabilities, which has been expanded to include the EF92 family and EF95 family of tubes. The MKIV does have the tube guards and gold plate, which is quite a light show at night. The MKIII has silver rings at the bottom of each tube, which glow gold at night. The guards on the MKIV do make tube removal a challenge, but the top ring comes off with 3 Allen headed screws. Both units are used the same way as pre-amps, or as sources. You can use record-out on a tape loop circuit of a receiver to the input on either unit and listen to anything you have hooked up to your receiver with your headphone amp. You can hook up an MP3 player to either unit's input jacks, and hook up the output jacks to AUX in on a receiver and listen to your speakers, with the MP3's music all "tubed" sounding. The possibilities are almost unlimited, except with turntables. You will need a phono stage. Or, hook the TT to the receiver, and your headphone amp to the tape record out and listen to the turntable with headphones.

All MK series amps were designed by Sword Yang at Little-Dot using Senn HD-650s as the "defacto" standard load. That would be 300ohms. The cool part is both units have plenty of power to drive that load and less with ease. The final sound with your phones will again be a personal preference thing. If you consider your phones to be good phones, there is a good chance they will sound better with either unit. Both units have high quality components and excellent craftsmanship. Both units need around 100-150 hours of break-in, but they sound pretty good right out of the box.

I hope this can help you some. David Z at Little-Dot can answer headphone specific questions better than I can, so drop him an email if you are concerned.
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Dec 30, 2007 at 7:43 PM Post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by blmelon /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I am thinking about getting one of these bad mothers for my first dip into the amp lifestyle, but I don't know jack about what a spec sheet says. I have been reading some reviews about each and have a few questions.

1) is there really $100 worth of difference btwn the two?
2) what is the guard around the tubes on the MK4? does it make removal more difficult?
3) how do you use these as pre-amps? all i have is LP source, would i need a phono stage in btwn the two?
4) how bad am i gonna want new headphones when this is hooked up? using sr80's right now.

thanks, i will have more but this should be a good start.




I can only comment on question #4. I got my MKIII for Christmas and use sr 80's and hd595's with it. I've had the sr80's for a little over a year and they have never sounded better!!! This amp really makes them shine!!!

As for the question are you gonna want new headphones after getting this amp??? I think the answer to that is probably "yes" but has more to do with this hobby in general than any particular amp. I love my sr 80's but darn right I'm curious about the 325i, rs2, and rs1 !!!!! What am I missing???? is the question that depletes all wallets here on head-fi.

But as for the amp itself, don't hesitate to get the MKIII or MKIV. You will have a smile on your face for a very long time and never regret it!!

Cheers!!

Roger
 
Jan 2, 2008 at 10:40 PM Post #14 of 15
I don't know of anyone on head-fi who actually owns both the MkIII and MkIV, so you probably won't find a straightforward comparo on head-fi.

That said, I find that in my experience the Little Dot amps respond very well to tube upgrades (probably due to the relatively simple design and high quality parts making the amp transparent enough to show the sonic characters of the tubes). So with that in mind, I think it would be easier to tune the amp to your taste by buying the less expensive amp and use the extra money to roll some tubes. If nothing else, you'll have a great amp AND you'll get to enjoy the joy of tube rolling and isn't that part of the fun of owning a tube amp in the first place?
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